No Shinnie or Christie???

 

Wtf Strachan.

 

I agree we should keep the same team who should've beaten England but bringing in Whittaker and excluding them?

 

Nuts

Looks a decent crowd at Tannadice for tonight’s game.

Belgium 2-0 winners. Belgium were the better team and could have been further ahead. Slicker in goal having a number of good saves was one better Scottish performers along with Fiorini and Kelly

15 minutes ago, Jute said:

Belgium 2-0 winners. Belgium were the better team and could have been further ahead. Slicker in goal having a number of good saves was one better Scottish performers along with Fiorini and Kelly

Aye, agree with that. Time for gemmill to go perhaps? 85th minute subs when 1-0 down in a must win game. Mental.

Ukraine snatch the playoff sport from Finland

Final semi final teams are as follows

 

Second-placed teams (all ten advance)[edit]

The ten runners-up from the UEFA First Round advanced to the play-offs. Based on the results from the qualifying group stage, the six best-ranked teams were seeded, while the bottom four were unseeded in the semi-final draw.^[3]

Seed	Grp	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Seeding
1	A	Portugal	8	5	2	1	17	6	+11	17	Seeded in semi-final draw
2	F	Scotland	8	5	2	1	14	7	+7	17
3	C	Italy	8	4	4	0	13	2	+11	16
4	H	Russia	8	5	1	2	14	5	+9	16
5	B	Sweden	8	5	0	3	12	6	+6	15
6	E	Wales	8	4	3	1	14	9	+5	15
7	G	Turkey	8	4	3	1	18	16	+2	15	Unseeded in semi-final draw
8	I	Poland	8	4	2	2	18	10	+8	14
9	J	North Macedonia	8	3	3	2	14	11	+3	12
10	D	Ukraine	8	2	6	0	11	8	+3	12

Source: FIFA, UEFA
Rules for classification: Counting only matches against teams ranked first to fifth in the group, 1. Points; 2. Goal difference; 3. Goals scored; 4. Away goals scored; 5. Wins; 6. Away wins; 7. Lower disciplinary points total; 8. Position in 2020–21 UEFA Nations League access list.^[3]

Nations League group winners (best two advance)[edit]

Based on the 2020–21 UEFA Nations League overall ranking,^[5] the best two Nations League group winners that finished outside the top two of their qualifying group advanced to the play-offs and were unseeded in the semi-final draw.^[2][3]

UNL	Rank	UNL group winner	Qualifying group
A	1	France &	D
	2	Spain &	B
	3	Italy	C
	4	Belgium &	E
B	17	Wales	E
	18	Austria	F
	19	Czech Republic	E
	20	Hungary	I
C	33	Slovenia	H
	34	Montenegro	G
	35	Albania	I
	36	Armenia	J
D	49	Gibraltar	G
	50	Faroe Islands	F

Key

•  &  Team qualified directly for World Cup as qualifying group winner
•    Team advanced to the play-offs as qualifying group runner-up
•    Team (in bold) advanced to the play-offs as one of the best two Nations League group winners outside top two of their qualifying group, and is unseeded in semi-final draw

Well........ Turkey, Poland, N. Macedonia, Ukraine, Austria, or the Czechs. Take your pick. 

Just now, tom_widdows said:

Ukraine snatch the playoff sport from Finland

Final semi final teams are as follows

 

Second-placed teams (all ten advance)[edit]

The ten runners-up from the UEFA First Round advanced to the play-offs. Based on the results from the qualifying group stage, the six best-ranked teams were seeded, while the bottom four were unseeded in the semi-final draw.^[3]

Seed	Grp	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Seeding
1	A	Portugal	8	5	2	1	17	6	+11	17	Seeded in semi-final draw
2	F	Scotland	8	5	2	1	14	7	+7	17
3	C	Italy	8	4	4	0	13	2	+11	16
4	H	Russia	8	5	1	2	14	5	+9	16
5	B	Sweden	8	5	0	3	12	6	+6	15
6	E	Wales	8	4	3	1	14	9	+5	15
7	G	Turkey	8	4	3	1	18	16	+2	15	Unseeded in semi-final draw
8	I	Poland	8	4	2	2	18	10	+8	14
9	J	North Macedonia	8	3	3	2	14	11	+3	12
10	D	Ukraine	8	2	6	0	11	8	+3	12

Source: FIFA, UEFA
Rules for classification: Counting only matches against teams ranked first to fifth in the group, 1. Points; 2. Goal difference; 3. Goals scored; 4. Away goals scored; 5. Wins; 6. Away wins; 7. Lower disciplinary points total; 8. Position in 2020–21 UEFA Nations League access list.^[3]

Nations League group winners (best two advance)[edit]

Based on the 2020–21 UEFA Nations League overall ranking,^[5] the best two Nations League group winners that finished outside the top two of their qualifying group advanced to the play-offs and were unseeded in the semi-final draw.^[2][3]

UNL	Rank	UNL group winner	Qualifying group
A	1	France &	D
	2	Spain &	B
	3	Italy	C
	4	Belgium &	E
B	17	Wales	E
	18	Austria	F
	19	Czech Republic	E
	20	Hungary	I
C	33	Slovenia	H
	34	Montenegro	G
	35	Albania	I
	36	Armenia	J
D	49	Gibraltar	G
	50	Faroe Islands	F

Key

•  &  Team qualified directly for World Cup as qualifying group winner
•    Team advanced to the play-offs as qualifying group runner-up
•    Team (in bold) advanced to the play-offs as one of the best two Nations League group winners outside top two of their qualifying group, and is unseeded in semi-final draw

Beat me to it by about 5 seconds!

5 minutes ago, LA-Don said:

Beat me to it by about 5 seconds!

46 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Aye, agree with that. Time for gemmill to go perhaps? 85th minute subs when 1-0 down in a must win game. Mental.

BBC commentary team kept saying it’s all about developing players at this level to excuse another defeat for Gemmell but even they thought the extremely late subs were odd. 

I think the big thing is which of the seeded teams gets drawn in our section. The unseeded teams are all pretty similar in quality but there's a massive difference between Wales or Italy in the final.

I would love to play Wales just to get Joe Jordan out of retirement. Even if he was given a seat on the bench just to watch the Welsh lose the nut.

20 minutes ago, sancho_panza said:

I think the big thing is which of the seeded teams gets drawn in our section. The unseeded teams are all pretty similar in quality but there's a massive difference between Wales or Italy in the final.

Honestly, there are no world beaters. Portugal, Italy, and Holland are good but not great. Any of the 6 in the semi is fine, but certainly Wales or Sweden would be preferable if it came down to that.....if they win a semi. 

48 minutes ago, LA-Don said:

Honestly, there are no world beaters. Portugal, Italy, and Holland are good but not great. Any of the 6 in the semi is fine, but certainly Wales or Sweden would be preferable if it came down to that.....if they win a semi. 

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We will get the Czechs I have a hunch.

Very beatable.

 

 

Ukraine or Turkey please.

Got a hunch it will be Ukraine. Although I certainly wouldn’t mind Austria again, or Poland. 

3 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Got a hunch it will be Ukraine. Although I certainly wouldn’t mind Austria again, or Poland. 

Poland left out Lewandowski apparently for the last game on purpose.

I'd hate to get them.

I think we would beat Ukraine though.

 

Edited November 17, 20214 yr by HaarDon

Confident of beating any of the bottom 6 at home except maybe Czechs. Euros game has left scars. Poles with Lewandowski will be difficult but I think we have a good chance. 
 

Draw is on 26th November at 5pm. 

I think the new fifa standings are next Thursday.

We should surely move up quite a few places.

No way should the likes of Slovakia or Australia be above us to name 2 lol.

 

 

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For political reasons, matches between Russia and Ukraine are considered prohibited clashes, unable to be drawn into the same play-off path.

I'd like to see the Scottish Government declare war on Italy, Portugal, Russia and Sweden until Friday evening.

This 'prohibited team clash' pish is a pile of shite!

Ukraine can't play Russia at a neutral venue with no fans?

What would happen if both these teams got to the World Cup final?

Anyway, I'll be asleep when the draw is made but looking forward to waking up in intrepidation as to who we get.

Totally forgot the Finals aren't until next fucking November/December.

 

Scotland at home to Ukraine as some anticipated.Not the worst draw.Potential final v Wales or Austria,also not the worst outcome 

Edited November 26, 20214 yr by Elgindon

If I am reading that right, looks like either Italy or Portugal will miss out on the finals.  Matthaus obviously did not grab the warm balls 😉

Other than a home final I’d say that’s more or less the best we could have hoped for. If we win the semi, away to wales or Austria isn’t so scary. Saying this, i’m sure all 4 countries are happy with this grouping!

and yes, italy or Portugal won’t make the World Cup.

Getting Wales is a fantastic draw considering the other teams we could have got. No idea if Ukraine are better than the alternatives but they're not terrifying either - won just two games in qualifying, England hammered them at the Euros, etc. Can't really ask for a better draw.

29 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Other than a home final I’d say that’s more or less the best we could have hoped for. If we win the semi, away to wales or Austria isn’t so scary. Saying this, i’m sure all 4 countries are happy with this grouping!

and yes, italy or Portugal won’t make the World Cup.

Wales record in Cardiff is pretty decent if memory serves.  Don't think they have lost there in a while.