Right, thoughts?

My money's on the statue of Fergie.

Sounds like it could be Goodwin today. He's a good manager. Hope it works out. Should mean we haven't had to compromise on the strategic setup either.

They’ll need to do the presser at Pittodrie, it’s carmageddon outside Cormack Park at the moment.

Announcement due today. Most opinions pointing to Goodwin. If true,of the Scottish choices probably the one I would have gone for

 

Edited February 18, 20224 yr by Elgindon

12 minutes ago, Elgindon said:

Announcement due today. Most opinions pointing to Goodwin. If true,of the Scottish choices probably the one I would have gone for

Aye, he's certainly the tidier of the two.

I do like Aberdeen's strategy here of interviewing Jack Ross, which means we'll pretty much accept anyone to avoid having him announced as boss.

In the same way he's announcing a 16,000 capacity stadium so that we'll all be happy with a 17,000 capacity one.

Well played Dave.

 

Permission given to talk to Goodwin

Looks like it is happening then

 

I knew Data Dave would keep it hush hush while the details were being sorted out 

Ooooo, just realised if it's Goodwin this is the first manager that will be younger than me..... 

I would much rather someone like Paul Lambert. He has the experience of playing and managing at a very high level. Jim Goodwin has not played at or managed a big club. I know we are not Celtic, Rangers or Liverpool etc. But in Scottish terms, we are way above St. Mirren  and Alloa. I don't mean that as a disrespectful comment to them. They may be better than us this season but they have nowhere near the same fan base and there is not the same level of pressure to win every week. Goodwin will not be used to dealing with that. I think that is why managers that have played at top clubs often do well at bigger clubs, they are used to the pressure involved. We need a steady the ship appointment in my opinion. I would argue that Jack Ross would be better as he has at least played and managed at a higher level.

Whoever they decide on, they will have my support! Stand Free!

36 minutes ago, Chris Frae Killie said:

I would much rather someone like Paul Lambert. He has the experience of playing and managing at a very high level. Jim Goodwin has not played at or managed a big club. I know we are not Celtic, Rangers or Liverpool etc. But in Scottish terms, we are way above St. Mirren  and Alloa. I don't mean that as a disrespectful comment to them. They may be better than us this season but they have nowhere near the same fan base and there is not the same level of pressure to win every week. Goodwin will not be used to dealing with that. I think that is why managers that have played at top clubs often do well at bigger clubs, they are used to the pressure involved. We need a steady the ship appointment in my opinion. I would argue that Jack Ross would be better as he has at least played and managed at a higher level.

Whoever they decide on, they will have my support! Stand Free!

I'd add to that. Someone who has won something, managed in European competition, plus with their experience has a relatively extensive contact list for potential transfers. Glass was blasted for inexperience, but he'd at least experienced playing for us, winning with us, playing and scoring in Europe with us, playing for big clubs in England under people like Bobby Robson and Gianliuca Viali. Even coaching in Ireland and the states learning the trade and gathering contacts. Fair to say that's how we got Ramirez. I just don't see what Goodwin really offers other than coached in the Scottish league before, and, to me, he's flavor of the month like Tommy Wright, Callum Davidson, and Stephen Robinson have been.

1 hour ago, Chris Frae Killie said:

I would much rather someone like Paul Lambert. He has the experience of playing and managing at a very high level. Jim Goodwin has not played at or managed a big club. I know we are not Celtic, Rangers or Liverpool etc. But in Scottish terms, we are way above St. Mirren  and Alloa. I don't mean that as a disrespectful comment to them. They may be better than us this season but they have nowhere near the same fan base and there is not the same level of pressure to win every week. Goodwin will not be used to dealing with that. I think that is why managers that have played at top clubs often do well at bigger clubs, they are used to the pressure involved. We need a steady the ship appointment in my opinion. I would argue that Jack Ross would be better as he has at least played and managed at a higher level.

Whoever they decide on, they will have my support! Stand Free!

I'd love to see any evidence for this (genuinely, I'm not criticising). There are a hell of a lot of good footballers who made poor managers and a hell of a lot of shite players that made good managers. To the extent that I'd say there is zero link whatsoever. Absolutely none.

Neither of us has the data obviously, so it's just speculation. I'd say that success has far more to do with personality (of the manager) and management competence rather than footballing ability. Footballing ability is something that you gain at a far younger age than management skills, I just can't see how it's relevant. A will to win is great, but if you don't have the ability to pass that on to others it can probably be quite frustrating. Lambert strikes me as the type who doesn't have the charisma or intelligence to get a point across that people would listen to. John Collins proved that wanking around showing off yer six pack telling folk that you were the fittest player at Monaco is no substitute for actual management abilities - you just wouldn't take the nasally dickhead seriously.

I agree with LA Don that prior experience of winning things would be preferable, but I don't see it as essential. As an average player, Goodwin captained St Mirren to cup success, which is fairly impressive (and was regularly championed on various Dons forums as a "winner" that we should look to sign). He was managed by Danny Lennon that day, who is one of numerous examples of managers who have won something that are not that good at managing football teams. Alan Stubbs, Peter Houston, Tommy Wright too. There's a little luck involved in cup wins in Scotland, with no chance of league success.

I would defo rather Goodwin over lambert.  He's been guff since his heydey at Norwich.  

 

Truthfully Rico I don't recall too much mention of Goodwin as someone we should target back in the day but I did always have a grudging respect for him.  As limited as he was as a player he was always a nightmare to play against.  

45 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

I would defo rather Goodwin over lambert.  He's been guff since his heydey at Norwich.  

 

Truthfully Rico I don't recall too much mention of Goodwin as someone we should target back in the day but I did always have a grudging respect for him.  As limited as he was as a player he was always a nightmare to play against.  

Aye, I was in Dons mad back when he was playing and it was fairly regular to suggest Goodwin because we needed someone hard in midfield. Draper was the one in a similar vein that got plenty mentions on here. Two limited footballers who could kick people. I remember Hayes playing in centre mid one time against St Mirren due to injuries and he absolutely roasted Goodwin the entire game, who couldn't catch him to kick him. Hopefully he'll have forgotten about it.

https://twitter.com/ScotExpSport/status/1494805488738914304/photo/1   

Scott Burns claiming Goodwin has signed 2.5 year deal. Also suggesting that St Mirren approaching Scott Brown.

 

Good swap deal

1 hour ago, Jute said:

Scott Burns claiming Goodwin has signed 2.5 year deal. Also suggesting that St Mirren approaching Scott Brown.

 

Few things to happen first, but hope this means McCrorie returns to center mid!

6 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

Ooooo, just realised if it's Goodwin this is the first manager that will be younger than me..... 

He's five days older than me, which is unsettling. I already refuse to accept the entire playing squad are younger than me now.

Scott Brown - I'd be gutted if he left.

Think there's still a good player there, a strong captain, and he'll be a huge loss.

Also think it's fair too early for him to be thinking of becoming a manager. But, if it does happen, does Glass go there as assistant? 

Aye,hope Goodwin can accomodate him in the same roles.Think we'd have been in real trouble without him

1 hour ago, Elgindon said:

Aye,hope Goodwin can accomodate him in the same roles.Think we'd have been in real trouble without him

That’s my perspective too. I’d like to hope he can fulfil a role at the club (sorry jute).

Absolutely no problem with us getting rid of Brown. For wages we are allegedly paying there’s no way we are getting value for money. I don’t think we would be much worse off points wise without him. 

Morning!

 

Edited February 19, 20224 yr by Goldie03

I have to admit, my first thought when he went off midweek was that was his last game, and perhaps not just for us. A bit like Hartley, we got a good six months, but I think he's been chasing shadows and making mistakes since the turn of the year; more interested in winding people up than beating them. Still able to do it of course, see the Huns game, but not consistently. He looked lost against St Johnstone and we were far better when he went off. I'm concerned that the fans will start to turn against him if he's not up for it under the new manager (like when he downed tools under deila) and he unsettles the rest of the team. I don't like the idea of Goodwin having to get an assistant thrown in by decree on signing, but if they gel then it'll be a good thing. I don't know enough to know whether Brown is a good or bad influence behind the scenes, but he doesn't strike me as the type that would put the team ahead of his own ambitions (that's not a criticism) and allow Goodwin space to assert himself. Ultimately, I don't really know, but I think I'd be happier with him gone.