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Isreal are not a bad team, but we really need to be doing better against these teams. Incredibly frustrating when we've beaten the Czechs twice and again find ourselves behind them in the group. But classic Scotland do the hard work and fail against the smaller teams.

We really need to start putting away some of our chances. We get into good positions but the final ball is letting us down. It will be really frustrating but definitely the Scotland way for us to throw this away now.

Disappointing result but no doubt we were the better team and created the better chances. As I said above I'm not seeing what McBurnie brings, there were other players guilty of not finishing chances but his two stand out. I think going ahead suited Slovakia but we were very unlucky with the manner of there goal and there goalkeeper made some good stops. We have a chance to put it right against Israel and I'm hopeful with Dykes back in we will get the job done.

We are really coming on to a game and if we keep playing like this its still there for us. Its strange to be down at half time supporting Scotland and believe we can come away with something.

We shouldn't be losing here. Maybe its just lack of confidence but I'm failing to see what McBurnie brings to this team. If Griffiths was on we would be 2-1 up.

I think there Dykes and Fraser are the only 2 there I would say are guaranteed a place. Griffiths probably will get in based on his knack for finding important goals even if he continues to be a bit part player for Celtic. McBurnie, Paterson and Burke places must be up for grabs if someone steps up and starts doing well, even though I think Clark likes McBurnie despite his poor performances so far for Scotland. Considine like you said a couple of injurys and I think hes in, but I suppose Clarke will be watching them all for the next 6 months so if he keeps up the good performances there is every chance either way.

Think that's partly due to our performance, I don't remember them winning a cross into our box tonight either. In an attacking sense I think we struggled with Cosgrove not being fit enough, if we had watkins available tonight he would have drawn players away from Wright leaving him with more space to run at Hibs on the counter.

Comfortable second half, Game management in full effect. Hanlon should have been sent off as last man but didn't make any difference in the end.

I subscribed for the first europa qualifiers a few months ago through the online viewer. Ended up disappointed as they only showed the one round. But it was easy enough, just had to sign in and there was an option to cancel my subscription. I presume the final will be on the BBC. If we can win tomorrow I would expect we would have enough to overcome Hearts in the final.

Wright needs a new deal ASAP and Considine isn't gong anywhere. Maclennan is still relatively young and does have potential. If we gave him a couple of years extension I'm sure we could get him out on loan to a bottom six team where he would play every week and hopefully push on. Virtanen and Ross I don't know. The rest I wouldn't be too fussed if they left. I think McGinn can do it for us still as a back-up so a year extension I would be fine with. Logan has been a great servant but I don't think hes got it anymore although if he did get a 1 year extension as a back-up It wouldn't overly bother me. Devlin just hasn't really worked out, It might be best for both parties if he moved on. As others have said Main was never good enough. Neither is Ash Taylor if we want to push on. Cerny seems a good back-up, but is probably not hard to replace if he does want to move on.

Didn't realise this was starting so early. Annoying that he's dropped wright but not unexpected. Sounds like we are not playing well.

What I was trying to say was that its an individual thing who we class as legends. Personally though I do try to consider previous club legends and if these players contributions are at the same level. I was then saying my opinion which I shouldve made clearer. But this way of judging it is also just an opinion. As a supporter who didn't experience the success of the 80s, I wouldn't say I've seen many players who I could class as legends. Probably for me its Russell Anderson and possibly Andy Considine. I would put Mcginn, Hayes in the memorable players category alongside players like Severin, Zeroualli, Mackie etc.

Its worth mentioning that McGinn had his best goalscoring form when he was playing up front for us. He chips in a reasonable amount of goals from midfield but goalscoring hasn't really been his main role since McInnes came in and he started playing on the wing. Legend is over-used these days but as there is no fixed criteria I think its up to individual to decide who qualifies for it themselves. I think McGinn will always be a memorable player. Perhaps if we had won a couple more trophies and had some good european runs this team might have some players we could class as legends.

I imagine it is also just difficult to break into celtics first team at the moment. They have a very established central midfield. But I could say the same about us.

Just watched the highlights can't believe we didn't score with the opportunities we created. That said I'm not surprised there goalkeeper was motm, he pulled off a couple of great saves.

I agree, definitely feeling a bit more positive about this now. Serbia are bottom of there nations league group, (even though you could argue its a harder group) so they won't be feeling as confident as we are at the moment.

I think probably most youth systems do have a high degree of waste. I mean you have so many youngsters in these systems nowadays the amount that will actually break through is always going to be a small percentage. If you go back we lost some good youngsters, how good exactly we will never know as they went to places where they suffered the same fate as our current crop, which seems to be no route into the first team. I accept that people might debate how best to develop young players. The opinion Ive formed from my observations are that the one's who do best are the one's who get the opportunity to kick on and have a manager that inspires confidence in them. I think it has some relevance to how we have fared as a nation as well. For too long good Scottish youngsters and players in general have been a cheap option for championship clubs benches. Hopefully this is beginning to change with our clubs generally not in the dire financial positions they used to be in early 2000's. Point being is it not a case of not having decent youngsters coming through, its the inability to integrate them into the first team that I believe is our undoing. I'm generally in the pro McInnes camp overall but i feel this is one of his failings. Anyway I don't want to derail the thread completely as this could have a thread of its own. So good on Consi, hope he gets a decent run and a chance to add to his haul of caps. Fingers crossed he will score a hatrick against the Czechs.

Is it Maligned though? I always think its done ok over the years. Often our problem seems to be keeping our top talents (Which we have got better at recently) or giving them game time needed to make the step up to first team level (Which I feel still needs some improvement).

I agree, I did say winnable by which I was trying to imply its probably not right now. To be fair I suppose I was being quite vague, in the 90s we would have been favorites, 00s I would have fancied our chances, now not so much.

Didn't expect to them to tuck away all 5 pens but first one aside (which was very fortunate to go in) they were all well taken. I only tuned in for the last 20 mins and pens so Ive not really got any insights to offer but it sounded like we really lacked creativity from what Ive read. Serbia should be a winnable game in the past but I don't have much faith in the way we are playing at the moment. Still got to keep some hope.

It looks like dundalk got a really lucky draw. However I think the Lask result shows what happens when you have a go. I know lask are probably considered a better team than us, but if we had made the playoff round I would have given us a good chance against them. They put 4 past sporting where as we barely troubled them.

Its all changing from next season with the introduction of the Europa League 2. I believe this is meant to cut down on qualifying ties. I havent looked at the format yet, but I presume if we didn't make the Europa league 1 we would cascade into the second one.

I think if we were ever going to qualify from the current setup it would take us beating one of these teams at some point and tonight seems a bit of an opportunity missed. I'm not denying they have quality though and I don't think its a disgrace or anything but I would have liked to see us having a bit more of a go. Ref didnt make it any easier for us though as limiting any physicality was always going to favour them. I presume it will be a bit easier to qualify from next season with the setup changing. Whether we end up in Europa league 1 or 2 it would be nice to have a European run.

Its a real pain when you get a ref like this reminds me of Maribor. But unlike that match we weren't good enough tonight, went out without really threatening them.

Well we have had at least two shots on target so thats rubbish.