Todays fitba

[Jute]

Hibs getting a bit of a doing off Motherwell with helping hand by VAR. Currently 2-0 down with Hanley off for a very soft looking last man challenge.

[BigAl]

Harvey McBarnes puts Newcastle ahead at Marseille 

Still think he should be told to fuck off and play for Engerlund 

[TheDonbytheDee]

The Livingston chairman has said that the SFA has admitted there was a mistake in their game with the hun, that saw them denied a penalty.

That's cleared that up then and surely it won't happen again....

[BigAl]

59 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

The Livingston chairman has said that the SFA has admitted there was a mistake in their game with the hun, that saw them denied a penalty.

That's cleared that up then and surely it won't happen again....

Heads will surely roll over this.

Livi chairman will be hunted down by the local masonic lodge for having the audacity to draw attention to this matter 

[TheDonbytheDee]

2 hours ago, BigAl said:

Heads will surely roll over this.

Livi chairman will be hunted down by the local masonic lodge for having the audacity to draw attention to this matter 

Aye, I expect some bad press to come the way of their chairman.

We're not allowed to call it out, but when they feel hard done by, the story runs in the press for weeks.

[RicoS321]

I don't think it was that bad a call. It merely highlights the stupidity of VAR, and the arsehole of a handball rule it has created. It's fairly easy to explain what the ref did or didn't see, and fairly easy to think of a reason not to give the pen, and also fairly easy to think of a reason to give it. Had the rule still been the existing deliberate rule, I'd have no problem with playing on. The player doesn't try and block the ball. In real time, instead of shitey slow motion, you can see the player has no time at all to properly react. He realises the ball is going to hit his arm and does the involuntary movement that goes towards the ball rather than away from it. Anyone who has played football has likely experienced it, regardless of the level your playing at. It's an entirely different movement to going in with your arm raised (making yourself bigger), or making a deliberate save. If he'd had time to move his hand out of the way, he would have, but there wasn't because it was close to him, and the unexpected shiteness of the shot would have taken him by surprise. If the ref had given it in real time, that's an entirely acceptable call too. It's hit the player's hand, and he's moved his arm slightly towards it. 

It's a subjective game, filled with subjective decisions. There's no such thing as clear and obvious, and never can be. A decision can almost always be explained either way. I tend to look at things through an honesty lens. The player didn't try to gain an advantage by handling it, it just happened, so you play on. Sportsmanship, basically. 

Anyway, Livi will get a dodgy pen against the next unlucky fools who have to play them to even things up.

[TheDonbytheDee]

7 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

I don't think it was that bad a call. It merely highlights the stupidity of VAR, and the arsehole of a handball rule it has created. It's fairly easy to explain what the ref did or didn't see, and fairly easy to think of a reason not to give the pen, and also fairly easy to think of a reason to give it. Had the rule still been the existing deliberate rule, I'd have no problem with playing on. The player doesn't try and block the ball. In real time, instead of shitey slow motion, you can see the player has no time at all to properly react. He realises the ball is going to hit his arm and does the involuntary movement that goes towards the ball rather than away from it. Anyone who has played football has likely experienced it, regardless of the level your playing at. It's an entirely different movement to going in with your arm raised (making yourself bigger), or making a deliberate save. If he'd had time to move his hand out of the way, he would have, but there wasn't because it was close to him, and the unexpected shiteness of the shot would have taken him by surprise. If the ref had given it in real time, that's an entirely acceptable call too. It's hit the player's hand, and he's moved his arm slightly towards it. 

It's a subjective game, filled with subjective decisions. There's no such thing as clear and obvious, and never can be. A decision can almost always be explained either way. I tend to look at things through an honesty lens. The player didn't try to gain an advantage by handling it, it just happened, so you play on. Sportsmanship, basically. 

Anyway, Livi will get a dodgy pen against the next unlucky fools who have to play them to even things up.

The point I am getting at, is that when the hun are on the recieving end of a bad call, or a perceived bad call, it gets very, very stupid in our press, as though it is a conspiracy against them.

Every team suffers through poor ref/var decisions, but I would say on the whole, the hun get more favourable decisions than bad ones over a season.

[RicoS321]

21 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

The point I am getting at, is that when the hun are on the recieving end of a bad call, or a perceived bad call, it gets very, very stupid in our press, as though it is a conspiracy against them.

Every team suffers through poor ref/var decisions, but I would say on the whole, the hun get more favourable decisions than bad ones over a season.

Oh, undoubtedly, they're Huns after all. Their decision the other week was another that was absolutely fine as the ref called it. I wouldn't be surprised if their reaction to it had a subconscious effect on the decision made against Livingston. Which they know, hence the bullying statements. 

The problem that we have is that all our clubs are firmly embedded in the decision to implement the single worst thing to happen to football. They're still right behind VAR, despite it ruining the experience of the paying customer. The dishonesty of all our clubs, and managers, has led to the "technology" being implemented, and is seeing that it remains. If the Huns were genuinely concerned, as they said in their last statement, about the decisions made by VAR, they'd have released another statement after the Livi game. As would all our clubs. Unfortunately, they're only interested in how it doesn't work, when it doesn't, for themselves. It's why we get compliant shite with Collum explaining his staff's workings every month, but we didn't previously.