Summer 2025 Transfer Window

[Jute]

1 minute ago, BigAl said:

Are they reporting it as a permanent also or could it be we want to loan and they want permanent 

Reporting it as a permanent deal. 
 

 

 

 

[BigAl]

Just now, Jute said:

Reporting it as a permanent deal. 
 

 

 

 

Okey dokey

[Jute]

2 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Okey dokey

Rumours on the go he might not be only one of younger players leaving. Another couple unsettled and looking to move. 

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, Jute said:

Rumours on the go he might not be only one of younger players leaving. Another couple unsettled and looking to move. 

Not surprised. I didn't think Emslie looked anywhere near to getting in our first team. Neither Bavidge or Marshall. Lobban stood out, but in a position we're well covered in. Boyd will likely go on loan this season too. 

It's difficult to see a good development pathway for our youngsters, and it doesn't seem like the club has figured it out yet. That's not a criticism either, we're in that middle ground as a club, where there's huge pressure to finish third, and we're not good enough as a team to carry young players. Any player who might be good enough to get straight in at a young age (17-19), will have probably moved down south already. Players that need the bit of extra development either go on loan or spend a year on our bench. That gap between u19s and first team is big, and so is the gap between the lower leagues and the SPFL. We basically need to hope that all our youngsters grew up in the area and are massive dandies, like Milne and Barron, in order for us to get them to sign deals and do the time required to develop. 

Maybe once the automatic euro league pish goes away, we'll have less pressure and we can begin to try something. It needs to be done in visible quotas, with the fans brought onside if we're to do it properly (just like everyone was primed in advance of Thelin's "project"). Targets of X minutes of youth player involvement per season, with players ineligible for inclusion in that total beyond their first full season. That'd force the hand of the manager, and also temper the recruitment in certain areas where we thought a youngster showed promise (for example, if we'd felt that Lobban was going to be good, we might not have signed Jensen, or whatever). 

[OrlandoDon]

1 hour ago, RicoS321 said:

Not surprised. I didn't think Emslie looked anywhere near to getting in our first team. Neither Bavidge or Marshall. Lobban stood out, but in a position we're well covered in. Boyd will likely go on loan this season too. 

It's difficult to see a good development pathway for our youngsters, and it doesn't seem like the club has figured it out yet. That's not a criticism either, we're in that middle ground as a club, where there's huge pressure to finish third, and we're not good enough as a team to carry young players. Any player who might be good enough to get straight in at a young age (17-19), will have probably moved down south already. Players that need the bit of extra development either go on loan or spend a year on our bench. That gap between u19s and first team is big, and so is the gap between the lower leagues and the SPFL. We basically need to hope that all our youngsters grew up in the area and are massive dandies, like Milne and Barron, in order for us to get them to sign deals and do the time required to develop. 

Maybe once the automatic euro league pish goes away, we'll have less pressure and we can begin to try something. It needs to be done in visible quotas, with the fans brought onside if we're to do it properly (just like everyone was primed in advance of Thelin's "project"). Targets of X minutes of youth player involvement per season, with players ineligible for inclusion in that total beyond their first full season. That'd force the hand of the manager, and also temper the recruitment in certain areas where we thought a youngster showed promise (for example, if we'd felt that Lobban was going to be good, we might not have signed Jensen, or whatever). 

Too long to read your whole post but I think I may agree with you. There is a missing link as many need a step up but not good enough for regular first team minutes. Dare I suggest reserve league again?? Even add a cup competition for u23 / a player who has played less than x first team games? We need something for these guys as I do believe this contributes to a loss of Scottish/local players.

[BigAl]

1 hour ago, RicoS321 said:

Not surprised. I didn't think Emslie looked anywhere near to getting in our first team. Neither Bavidge or Marshall. Lobban stood out, but in a position we're well covered in. Boyd will likely go on loan this season too. 

It's difficult to see a good development pathway for our youngsters, and it doesn't seem like the club has figured it out yet. That's not a criticism either, we're in that middle ground as a club, where there's huge pressure to finish third, and we're not good enough as a team to carry young players. Any player who might be good enough to get straight in at a young age (17-19), will have probably moved down south already. Players that need the bit of extra development either go on loan or spend a year on our bench. That gap between u19s and first team is big, and so is the gap between the lower leagues and the SPFL. We basically need to hope that all our youngsters grew up in the area and are massive dandies, like Milne and Barron, in order for us to get them to sign deals and do the time required to develop. 

Maybe once the automatic euro league pish goes away, we'll have less pressure and we can begin to try something. It needs to be done in visible quotas, with the fans brought onside if we're to do it properly (just like everyone was primed in advance of Thelin's "project"). Targets of X minutes of youth player involvement per season, with players ineligible for inclusion in that total beyond their first full season. That'd force the hand of the manager, and also temper the recruitment in certain areas where we thought a youngster showed promise (for example, if we'd felt that Lobban was going to be good, we might not have signed Jensen, or whatever). 

I will bow to your superior knowledge on Emslie, given you are far more likely to see him play a few times than I have.

Have to say, his stats did look impressive last season, albeit at a lesser level.

If we are not keeping youngsters like this, I hope we are somehow structuring their release that potentially gives us an option of a pre agreed but back fee or sell on clauses to protect ourselves and potentially recoup some of our outlay to date 

[tlg1903]

My big concern at the mo is euro registration rules.  25 places, 4 of which must be homegrown at club (which is trained at the club for at least 3 years before they are 21) and 8 must be homegrown in country (same rules but at any scottish club). For every place you can't fill with one or the other or both you lose a space in your squad.  Eg you only have 3 players trained at club and 8 trained in country you can only register 24 players.  Players under 21 don't need to be registered as long as they have been at the club for two years.

At the moment we have 4 scots in the squad over 21. Shinnie, Devlin, Duncan and Milne so as things stand we can only register 21 players to play in Europe.  Currently, assuming that the 4 above are registered, that would mean not registering one of:
Suman, Nilsen, Polvara, Gueye, Palaversa, Yengi, Clarkson, Sokler, Morris, Rubezic, Topi, Milanovic, Molloy, Mitov, Gyamfi, Jensen, Knoester or Tobers.  Not included in that list as I suspect they won't be here by then is Richard Jensen , Ambrose and Vinny.
 

When it's looked at like this I think we need to be moving on Ruby and probably Sokler as well and replacing them with Scots.  I tell you what, it maybe wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to have a look at bringing Bruce Anderson back perhaps.  He's trained at club and absolutely capable at SPFL level.  Given we have 4 centre halves all of whom are JT picked you could argue we don't really need Ruby anyway so it wouldn't necessarily have to be a like for like replacement for him. 

 

[tlg1903]

10 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

My big concern at the mo is euro registration rules.  25 places, 4 of which must be homegrown at club (which is trained at the club for at least 3 years before they are 21) and 8 must be homegrown in country (same rules but at any scottish club). For every place you can't fill with one or the other or both you lose a space in your squad.  Eg you only have 3 players trained at club and 8 trained in country you can only register 24 players.  Players under 21 don't need to be registered as long as they have been at the club for two years.

At the moment we have 4 scots in the squad over 21. Shinnie, Devlin, Duncan and Milne so as things stand we can only register 21 players to play in Europe.  Currently, assuming that the 4 above are registered, that would mean not registering one of:
Suman, Nilsen, Polvara, Gueye, Palaversa, Yengi, Clarkson, Sokler, Morris, Rubezic, Topi, Milanovic, Molloy, Mitov, Gyamfi, Jensen, Knoester or Tobers.  Not included in that list as I suspect they won't be here by then is Richard Jensen , Ambrose and Vinny.
 

When it's looked at like this I think we need to be moving on Ruby and probably Sokler as well and replacing them with Scots.  I tell you what, it maybe wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to have a look at bringing Bruce Anderson back perhaps.  He's trained at club and absolutely capable at SPFL level.  Given we have 4 centre halves all of whom are JT picked you could argue we don't really need Ruby anyway so it wouldn't necessarily have to be a like for like replacement for him. 

 

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Come to think of it Shankland appears to be available and he would also tick the trained at club box.......  I would prefer the Baggio from Banff to the Slabhead from the Slagheap though.  

[BigAl]

15 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

My big concern at the mo is euro registration rules.  25 places, 4 of which must be homegrown at club (which is trained at the club for at least 3 years before they are 21) and 8 must be homegrown in country (same rules but at any scottish club). For every place you can't fill with one or the other or both you lose a space in your squad.  Eg you only have 3 players trained at club and 8 trained in country you can only register 24 players.  Players under 21 don't need to be registered as long as they have been at the club for two years.

At the moment we have 4 scots in the squad over 21. Shinnie, Devlin, Duncan and Milne so as things stand we can only register 21 players to play in Europe.  Currently, assuming that the 4 above are registered, that would mean not registering one of:
Suman, Nilsen, Polvara, Gueye, Palaversa, Yengi, Clarkson, Sokler, Morris, Rubezic, Topi, Milanovic, Molloy, Mitov, Gyamfi, Jensen, Knoester or Tobers.  Not included in that list as I suspect they won't be here by then is Richard Jensen , Ambrose and Vinny.
 

When it's looked at like this I think we need to be moving on Ruby and probably Sokler as well and replacing them with Scots.  I tell you what, it maybe wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to have a look at bringing Bruce Anderson back perhaps.  He's trained at club and absolutely capable at SPFL level.  Given we have 4 centre halves all of whom are JT picked you could argue we don't really need Ruby anyway so it wouldn't necessarily have to be a like for like replacement for him. 

 

Excellent post 

Well thought out and brings into focus exactly where we currently stand.

P.S Bruce Anderson, under these circumstances isn't the worst possible shout.

[OrlandoDon]

I know I’m in the vast minority but I’d take shankland in a heartbeat, the fact he’s a dick doesn’t concern me, much like brown was a dick. Bonus that he’s homegrown/scottish. As much as shankland and Anderson are an upgrade on sokler and Ambrose, plus shankland is better than nisbet, would still be underwhelming despite the pick up of Scot’s.

[tlg1903]

3 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Excellent post 

Well thought out and brings into focus exactly where we currently stand.

P.S Bruce Anderson, under these circumstances isn't the worst possible shout.

You're too kind Al 

I was pissed off when we let him go in the first place to  be honest. Overall though I thought he did well at Livi, he was a pain in the arse to play against and he's scored afew against us since he left too.  Not so sure how he did at Killie but he would get a lot more chances in front of goal with us and I think he would do just fine.  

[Goldie03]

4 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Not surprised. I didn't think Emslie looked anywhere near to getting in our first team. Neither Bavidge or Marshall. Lobban stood out, but in a position we're well covered in. Boyd will likely go on loan this season too. 

It's difficult to see a good development pathway for our youngsters, and it doesn't seem like the club has figured it out yet. That's not a criticism either, we're in that middle ground as a club, where there's huge pressure to finish third, and we're not good enough as a team to carry young players. Any player who might be good enough to get straight in at a young age (17-19), will have probably moved down south already. Players that need the bit of extra development either go on loan or spend a year on our bench. That gap between u19s and first team is big, and so is the gap between the lower leagues and the SPFL. We basically need to hope that all our youngsters grew up in the area and are massive dandies, like Milne and Barron, in order for us to get them to sign deals and do the time required to develop. 

Maybe once the automatic euro league pish goes away, we'll have less pressure and we can begin to try something. It needs to be done in visible quotas, with the fans brought onside if we're to do it properly (just like everyone was primed in advance of Thelin's "project"). Targets of X minutes of youth player involvement per season, with players ineligible for inclusion in that total beyond their first full season. That'd force the hand of the manager, and also temper the recruitment in certain areas where we thought a youngster showed promise (for example, if we'd felt that Lobban was going to be good, we might not have signed Jensen, or whatever). 

I shared this post with my Hearts mate Rico and he very much agrees

[tlg1903]

Just now, OrlandoDon said:

I know I’m in the vast minority but I’d take shankland in a heartbeat, the fact he’s a dick doesn’t concern me, much like brown was a dick. Bonus that he’s homegrown/scottish. As much as shankland and Anderson are an upgrade on sokler and Ambrose, plus shankland is better than nisbet, would still be underwhelming despite the pick up of Scot’s.

I wouldn't be pissed off if we signed him by any stretch either, he's a really good goal scorer at this level. I'm far from convinced he's better than Nisbet though, they are different types of forward though.  Indeed if squad registration and fee wasn't a factor I would much prefer to sign Nisbet again than Shankland as he's already had a season of Thelinball and knows most of the players already.  Realistically though Shankland is free and ticks the reg box so of course you sign him if that's an option.  Maybe we should be looking at signing both of them....................... If anything else the seethe from Edinburgh would be hilarious 

[RicoS321]

6 minutes ago, Goldie03 said:

I shared this post with my Hearts mate Rico and he very much agrees

Does he agree that hearts are the league's third biggest dicks?

[RicoS321]

7 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

I wouldn't be pissed off if we signed him by any stretch either, he's a really good goal scorer at this level. I'm far from convinced he's better than Nisbet though, they are different types of forward though.  Indeed if squad registration and fee wasn't a factor I would much prefer to sign Nisbet again than Shankland as he's already had a season of Thelinball and knows most of the players already.  Realistically though Shankland is free and ticks the reg box so of course you sign him if that's an option.  Maybe we should be looking at signing both of them....................... If anything else the seethe from Edinburgh would be hilarious 

He was better than Nisbet in the semi. Probably the best player on the park that day. 

I think he's looking for a payday somewhere. I'm guessing that the Huns are in a similar situation to us, and might try and pick him up for a relatively average wage for them. 

[OrlandoDon]

I thought they were waiting for the huge stand free tattoo to dry on his forehead before announcing shankland at cormack park?

[tlg1903]

5 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

He was better than Nisbet in the semi. Probably the best player on the park that day. 

I think he's looking for a payday somewhere. I'm guessing that the Huns are in a similar situation to us, and might try and pick him up for a relatively average wage for them. 

I mentioned this to my Jambo neighbour just there to see if I could get his blood pressure up a bit but he reckons a Saudi club are now sniffing about Shankland and if true he will surely be away for one last payday.

[tlg1903]

1 minute ago, OrlandoDon said:

I thought they were waiting for the huge stand free tattoo to dry on his forehead before announcing shankland at cormack park?

The country ran out of ink before they could finish it