Summer 2025 Transfer Window

[manc_don]

I’d completely forgotten about Molloy. Think of the two, I’d keep him over Rubi. Not sure it felt like Rubi learned, but maybe that’s unfair and he’d have done better with someone more experienced alongside him, rather than Molloy. Do we loan both out and see if we need one of them in the future? Molloy seemed to have more in his locker already than Rubi.

[Panda]

12 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

What Duncan does have in his favour is he's pretty solid technically and I think Thelin will like that.  He's also not wee either. You could be bang on mate but I've got a feeling it might work out for Ryan yet.  I think we can all agree that we want it to at least.  

To be fair, he did play a part in our Scottish Cup success by helping to knock out Rangers. 

Surely we can get a medal cut for him.

[RicoS321]

8 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

What Duncan does have in his favour is he's pretty solid technically and I think Thelin will like that.  He's also not wee either. You could be bang on mate but I've got a feeling it might work out for Ryan yet.  I think we can all agree that we want it to at least.  

He's got a lot of good attributes, it remains to be seen if he can match that with the mentality and drive to use them. The fact that he hasn't set the heather alight at QP is a big issue. He's going to need to work very hard in preseason if he's not going to be released. If he could work on his sprinting, that could be very beneficial. At the moment, he hasn't the power to back up his technical skills, and I think that with a good bit of work he could make it. That's no different to Polvara, Palaversa and many others. Currently I'd put him in the Jayden Richardson category of a player that should be good, but might never be. There may be an opportunity for him to drop back to left back for next season. He's diligent enough for that role, if he no longer wants to drive at players further forward. 

Dorrington is an interesting one. He's going to be a better player than Tobers, and probably Milne, but we'd be buying him just so that we didn't miss out. Unless we're moving to a three, I don't see it. I don't like to see buying players just because they're available, and we'd need to shift on at least one in my opinion. Happy to see Tobers moved on for Dorrington. I think Tobers can adequately be replaced by Milne and Dorrington will be more valuable in a few years than Tobers. There is no world in which we need Milne, Dorrington, Tobers and Rubi. Especially when Polvara can more than adequately cover that side of defence. Move a couple on (if signing Dorrington) and use the funds to sign a striker. 

[OrlandoDon]

56 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

He's got a lot of good attributes, it remains to be seen if he can match that with the mentality and drive to use them. The fact that he hasn't set the heather alight at QP is a big issue. He's going to need to work very hard in preseason if he's not going to be released. If he could work on his sprinting, that could be very beneficial. At the moment, he hasn't the power to back up his technical skills, and I think that with a good bit of work he could make it. That's no different to Polvara, Palaversa and many others. Currently I'd put him in the Jayden Richardson category of a player that should be good, but might never be. There may be an opportunity for him to drop back to left back for next season. He's diligent enough for that role, if he no longer wants to drive at players further forward. 

Dorrington is an interesting one. He's going to be a better player than Tobers, and probably Milne, but we'd be buying him just so that we didn't miss out. Unless we're moving to a three, I don't see it. I don't like to see buying players just because they're available, and we'd need to shift on at least one in my opinion. Happy to see Tobers moved on for Dorrington. I think Tobers can adequately be replaced by Milne and Dorrington will be more valuable in a few years than Tobers. There is no world in which we need Milne, Dorrington, Tobers and Rubi. Especially when Polvara can more than adequately cover that side of defence. Move a couple on (if signing Dorrington) and use the funds to sign a striker. 

I don’t see dorrington coming back at all, much like Madison, even Christie. Good loan but time for him to kick on, he’ll either go to spurs first team squad or a higher end championship team. We have so many glaringly obvious needs and we spent on tobers, an experienced national captain and leader, who will get fit in preseason, plus we must give Milne game time. Molloy covers kneuster, ruby should be moved on. Polvara is good cover too, if he is still here. What I will say though, perhaps we’re getting a good connection with spurs, a little like Liverpool perhaps (or did we get burned with Williams), where we see more loans from them.

i do think we’ll seee more of Milne and a back 3 in the future. Not our weekly formation but Celtic, Europe, etc, I think Milne will start more when we do that.

Edited Saturday at 11:46 by OrlandoDon

[Panda]

Jack Mackenzie's new manager has just quit for Schalke. Not a good start to life at Plymouth

[DantheDon]

Only argument that we could be made for bringing dorrington back is if you moved Tobers into midfield. Believe he has played that role previously. Then you could move Shinnie to left back where we are lacking. However not sure that is optimum and I think from what I’m reading we would be looking at another loan for Dorrington. That means we are developing him for Tottenham, you occasionally get the chance to sign these guys permanently ala Clarkson but more often they go elsewhere. 

[Panda]

1 hour ago, DantheDon said:

I think from what I’m reading we would be looking at another loan for Dorrington. That means we are developing him for Tottenham, you occasionally get the chance to sign these guys permanently ala Clarkson but more often they go elsewhere. 

If he is better than what we have then often the only way to get that level of player is on loan. We were never getting James Maddison on a permanent deal for example.

Too early to make a call on Tobers, and likely too early to expect Milne to be a regular starter. Dorrington would be very useful, especially since he can play both sides of defence.

 

[RicoS321]

27 minutes ago, Panda said:

If he is better than what we have then often the only way to get that level of player is on loan. We were never getting James Maddison on a permanent deal for example.

Too early to make a call on Tobers, and likely too early to expect Milne to be a regular starter. Dorrington would be very useful, especially since he can play both sides of defence.

 

Maddison, Clarkson and - due to injuries - Dorrington were all signed for places in the squad where we were short. That's generally how the loan system works. Overloading the squad with defenders by loaning one is a terrible idea. If Tobers and Milne are deemed not good enough, to the extent that we're loaning a player, then one needs to go. Obviously, the caveat being if it's a loan with agreed fee. The biggest reason for signing Dorrington would be his sell on fee. That'd be the only reason to sign him, and we'd need to move one on (aside from Rubi). The worst thing would be if we signed him with the intention of pretending that him or another of the right centre halves can play on the left. He was poor on the left. Last thing we need is another imbalanced squad.

[Panda]

15 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Maddison, Clarkson and - due to injuries - Dorrington were all signed for places in the squad where we were short. That's generally how the loan system works.

Not always, no. The loan system also exists to get better players in that you otherwise can't. 

15 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Overloading the squad with defenders by loaning one is a terrible idea.

Would we be overloading it though?

We ended the season with Tobers and Molloy injured. Without Dorrington we'd have been relying on Knoester and Milne.

Molloy could do with a loan. Rubezic should be sold. So Dorrington coming in would give us four centre halves. I don't think that's overloading the squad.

15 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

 The worst thing would be if we signed him with the intention of pretending that him or another of the right centre halves can play on the left. He was poor on the left. Last thing we need is another imbalanced squad.

He was poor on the right for a long time too.

[tlg1903]

7 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

He's got a lot of good attributes, it remains to be seen if he can match that with the mentality and drive to use them. The fact that he hasn't set the heather alight at QP is a big issue. He's going to need to work very hard in preseason if he's not going to be released. If he could work on his sprinting, that could be very beneficial. At the moment, he hasn't the power to back up his technical skills, and I think that with a good bit of work he could make it. That's no different to Polvara, Palaversa and many others. Currently I'd put him in the Jayden Richardson category of a player that should be good, but might never be. There may be an opportunity for him to drop back to left back for next season. He's diligent enough for that role, if he no longer wants to drive at players further forward. 

Dorrington is an interesting one. He's going to be a better player than Tobers, and probably Milne, but we'd be buying him just so that we didn't miss out. Unless we're moving to a three, I don't see it. I don't like to see buying players just because they're available, and we'd need to shift on at least one in my opinion. Happy to see Tobers moved on for Dorrington. I think Tobers can adequately be replaced by Milne and Dorrington will be more valuable in a few years than Tobers. There is no world in which we need Milne, Dorrington, Tobers and Rubi. Especially when Polvara can more than adequately cover that side of defence. Move a couple on (if signing Dorrington) and use the funds to sign a striker. 

That is arguably the best post I've read of yours on this page.  Agreed on all counts. 

[tlg1903]

15 hours ago, Panda said:

To be fair, he did play a part in our Scottish Cup success by helping to knock out Rangers. 

Surely we can get a medal cut for him.

It will be a travesty of he doesn't 

[RicoS321]

41 minutes ago, Panda said:

Not always, no. The loan system also exists to get better players in that you otherwise can't. 

Would we be overloading it though?

We ended the season with Tobers and Molloy injured. Without Dorrington we'd have been relying on Knoester and Milne.

Molloy could do with a loan. Rubezic should be sold. So Dorrington coming in would give us four centre halves. I don't think that's overloading the squad.

He was poor on the right for a long time too.

I didn't think he was poor on the right for more than one or two games. He appeared far more settled on his correct foot. 

The loan system does indeed get you better players, but it would make zero sense to take any player on loan for a position you already have three players for without moving a couple on (in the case of defenders, who generally form partnerships and get plenty minutes). You'd basically be saying to both Tobers or Milne that they are surplus this season, but good for next season once we send the better player back to his club. Neither are young lads, and would rightly take the hint that next season would likely see the same scenario. 

As I said, fine if we're moving two on. I would disagree that one should be Molloy though. Molloy at left side of defence is better than Milne, Dorrington or Tobers on their wrong side. Where you see four centre backs (in your scenario, sending Molloy away), I see an imbalance of three right sided and one left sided. To me, it makes more sense to have two left and two right, plus the option of Polvara to cover if we lose two on either side. If one is Dorrington, then Tobers or Milne needs to go, alongside Rubi. We had a tight squad last season, with a few players in it that needed to be appeased. We shouldn't be starting the season with that approach on known quantities. We didn't know guys like Ambrose weren't going to be up to it, as they were new signings, and we'll undoubtedly pick up some more duds this summer too, that'll all need game time. Dorrington would unsettle the squad too much in my opinion, so if he comes, someone needs to make way. Unless we're changing to a back three of course, in which case fire on. 

[Panda]

1 hour ago, RicoS321 said:

Molloy at left side of defence is better than Milne, Dorrington or Tobers on their wrong side. 

I respectfully disagree on account I could win more headers than Molloy. 

[RicoS321]

25 minutes ago, Panda said:

I respectfully disagree on account I could win more headers than Molloy. 

Maybe, but Knoester isn't brilliant in the air, and both are good positionally and coming out with the ball, so are usefully interchangeable. Milne would be the most comfortable of the three on his wrong side, but I wouldn't want him playing there other than an emergency (or to preserve subs within a game). Tobers and Dorrington have both been poor on the wrong side. But it's beside the point really, if we're saying Molloy isn't good enough as cover, then we need another left sided centre back to cover Knoester, as Dorrington isn't the answer there, not the other two. 

[Reekie_Red]

Girona have put Miovski up for sale. It is an article that the Daily Ranger is carrying and it has no sources. But it suggests Girona are happy to listen to offers after what everyone would agree has been a shit season for the lad. Would a cheeky £1M be enough? I don't think he would go to any other Scottish club, but I wonder how low an offer Girona would listen to 

[Reekie_Red]

https://as.com/futbol/primera/miovski-en-el-limbo-n/ 

Girona

Miovski, in limbo

Girona 's expectations this season have exceeded reality. The red-and-white team saved the league before the final matchday of La Liga , but there was a time when the fear of relegation was very real. This generated anxiety, criticism, and many players in the squad found themselves in the crosshairs for their poor performances. One of them, Bojan Miovski .

The 25-year-old North Macedonian striker was swallowed up by Artem Dovbyk 's shadow . He signed last summer from Scottish club Aberdeen for five million euros plus variable fees until 2028 and was quickly labeled the 'new Dovbyk'. This was a mistake because he was put under more pressure than he deserved and needed, and his performance has suffered considerably.

Between La Liga , the Champions League , and the Copa del Rey , he only scored four goals: two in La Liga against Espanyol and another brace in the Copa del Rey against Extremadura . He failed to make his mark in the Champions League. His role in Míchel's team declined, having played only 26 percent of the minutes in total. In the last ten league matches, Miovski only played 20 minutes, spread across the matches against Mallorca and Villarreal.

Last Sunday, in the final match against Atlético Madrid , he was unable to make the squad due to a foot injury. The end of the season leaves many uncertainties, and despite having a contract until 2028, there are still many doubts about his future. The sporting directors and Míchel plan to speak with all the players ahead of next season, and the striker will be no exception. On a personal level, he's not happy either, having seen his value decline. According to Transfermarkt, his market value is now three million. That's two million less than the fixed amount (not including variables) Girona paid for him in the summer.

[OrlandoDon]

50 minutes ago, Reekie_Red said:

Girona have put Miovski up for sale. It is an article that the Daily Ranger is carrying and it has no sources. But it suggests Girona are happy to listen to offers after what everyone would agree has been a shit season for the lad. Would a cheeky £1M be enough? I don't think he would go to any other Scottish club, but I wonder how low an offer Girona would listen to 

You can wish but I’d say he’d go for 4m plus, prob close to 5. We got 6.8m a year ago, they’ll want as much of that as possible.

what’s the sell on for us? 20%? I wonder if Celtic go for him…

Edited Saturday at 22:34 by OrlandoDon

[BigAl]

Bojan won't be returning, at least not at this point in his career.

If he were to return to these shores then I would expect it to be a club in the top half of the English Championship.

Wonder exactly how much of this "alleged" £6.8m fee we have actually banked ?

[redordead]

As you all know I was never his biggest fan. 

Would he improve us over nisbet? I don't think he would. If we're playing with wingers and putting balls into the box, he's not that kind of finisher. Think he scored two headers in two seasons.

He'd be a calculated risk but I think I'd rather have kev back if it were possible. With a pre season i'd expect him to kick on.

[Slim]

[OrlandoDon]

3 hours ago, redordead said:

As you all know I was never his biggest fan. 

Would he improve us over nisbet? I don't think he would. If we're playing with wingers and putting balls into the box, he's not that kind of finisher. Think he scored two headers in two seasons.

He'd be a calculated risk but I think I'd rather have kev back if it were possible. With a pre season i'd expect him to kick on.

Nisbet or miovski and you choose nisbet. Apparently Ferguson is home sick and weve been offered him on a free. I say no, let’s get Funso Ojo back.

[BigAl]

Timothy Akindileni is away to QPR for an undisclosed fee plus add ons.

Am I right in thinking that this was the youngster who was reportedly away at the end of January but for reason it didn't happen then ?

 

[RicoS321]

29 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Timothy Akindileni is away to QPR for an undisclosed fee plus add ons.

Am I right in thinking that this was the youngster who was reportedly away at the end of January but for reason it didn't happen then ?

 

Him and Carroll were the two I think. Carroll to Forest was the one that fell through.

[BigAl]

Allegedly there is interest in Mitov from south of the border.

English Championship (clubs in the plural supposedly) but no names in the frame as of yet.

 

[Panda]