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[Blow.Up.Sheep]

15 hours ago, Slim said:

It's hardly realistic if you're jumping to conclusions without knowing any of the facts.

The person tasked with fixing the "shambles" has only been in the job for about 2 months. 

So aye, calm doon.

It's hardly "jumping to conclusions" tho is it?

Anyway, keep wearing your red tinted glasses min I am sure you will be fine.

Jist stay calm 

[Panda]

1 hour ago, Blow.Up.Sheep said:

It's hardly "jumping to conclusions" tho is it?

 

"It is more like he is not really all that sure if he wants the job or not" is literally an example of jumping to conclusions.

 

Edited yesterday at 05:41 by Panda

[TheDonbytheDee]

13 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

 Equally though I don't see it as a sign of the club being a shambles, just thorough. 

 

Really?

I can't say I share your optimism on that one. 

 

[Blow.Up.Sheep]

2 hours ago, Panda said:

"It is more like he is not really all that sure if he wants the job or not" is literally an example of jumping to conclusions.

 

Nope min, that is an opinion.
I think you might find that having an opinion and jumping to conclusions is not exactly the same thing  

[RicoS321]

19 minutes ago, Blow.Up.Sheep said:

Nope min, that is an opinion.
I think you might find that having an opinion and jumping to conclusions is not exactly the same thing  

You can have an opinion that is based on jumping to conclusions though. It did seem like you'd drawn a conclusion with your comment. One based on guesswork with sparse evidence either way. I'm not sure if it involved jumping though. Perhaps just a stride. 

[Blow.Up.Sheep]

2 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

You can have an opinion that is based on jumping to conclusions though. It did seem like you'd drawn a conclusion with your comment. One based on guesswork with sparse evidence either way. I'm not sure if it involved jumping though. Perhaps just a stride. 

Think we will jist have to agree to disagree Rico and move on min.

Match day, will it be on? if so will we keep a clean sheet? and will we get three points.

Oh and will we ever appoint a permanent manager who is finally capable of getting a tune out of this current bunch of so called "professionals"  

[Kowalski]

WTF is going on? Is our club a total shambles? The silence is embarrassing. 

[Blow.Up.Sheep]

9 hours ago, Kowalski said:

Is our club a total shambles?

100% yes, from the top down 

[Jute]

Think my frustration with this is that when you see how the model we are supposed to have in place works elsewhere the director of football is supposed to have the replacement for the manager lined up before he sacks the current one. It’s quite clear that this was not the case when we sacked Thelin. From outside it looks like we have only started looking after we sacked Thelin. 

[Blow.Up.Sheep]

1 hour ago, Jute said:

Think my frustration with this is that when you see how the model we are supposed to have in place works elsewhere the director of football is supposed to have the replacement for the manager lined up before he sacks the current one. It’s quite clear that this was not the case when we sacked Thelin. From outside it looks like we have only started looking after we sacked Thelin. 

dinna you go jumping to conclusions now min, that winna be well received on here by some.

But, For what it's worth I totally agree with you 

[Goldie03]

To be fair to Lutz ( tin hat on) he only came in I dunno late October/early November and we were getting some results then so not inconceivable that they did not foresee sacking Thelin just after the new year.

So the next time we need  a manager that process will hopefully be in place. 

[Don Julio]

I may be out of sync with many, but I just don't get all the angst on this. Replacing any member of staff is a tricky process, let alone something as crucial to a football club as a manager. Why do folk expect it do be done quickly? I'd much rather it were done right.

There's so much we don't know about what's happening behind the scenes, who is available, who is not. It's not as easy as simply having identified a few names beforehand and then them magically being in a position to say yes right off the bat. 

Apart from the Cup (which is a long-shot given the state of the team) this season is basically a write-off now. So far better to limp on and get the "right" person than do something quickly.

Even then, there are so many variables that the "right" person may not succeed. Most managers fail. Even if the "right" person says yes, there are wider factors. I don't think it would be too speculative to suggest that Jimmy not bringing his family with him had a negative impact, as did the loss early on of a key member of his coaching staff. 

Life is full of shitty variables that mean the best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft agley.

Edited 9 hours ago by Don Julio

[Elgindon]

33 minutes ago, Goldie03 said:

To be fair to Lutz ( tin hat on) he only came in I dunno late October/early November and we were getting some results then so not inconceivable that they did not foresee sacking Thelin just after the new year.

So the next time we need  a manager that process will hopefully be in place. 

I was just about to say similar.Think Thelins position was becoming untenable just as Luts was getting his feet under the table,so not really fair to expect him to have someone lined up at that point.

Even if he had potential replacements in mind,doesnt mean theyre available...or want to come at that time.Saying that,any sort of update to keep Blow up sheeps knickers dry wouldnt go amiss

   

Edited 9 hours ago by Elgindon

[Slim]

What sort of update would keep everyone happy though?

If there's a potential issue with the manager's previous club then any public announcement could prejudice the resolution of that issue.

If there's a potential issue with the preferred candidate himself then any public announcement could have an impact on our plan B, plan C, plan Z, etc.

If we're in negotiations with any party on any topic, it's usually best not to show your hand until those negotiations are concluded.

If we're looking for an announcement just to say we've made an announcement, people are still going to be pishing their pants over the vagueness of it.

There will be plenty of time and scope to hold people to account once the process is concluded and we get the full story, getting the pitchforks out and demanding speed takes priority is how we'll end up with someone like Robinson.

[Dougal]

4 sensible posts in a row. Is that a new record?

[RicoS321]

42 minutes ago, Slim said:

What sort of update would keep everyone happy though?

If there's a potential issue with the manager's previous club then any public announcement could prejudice the resolution of that issue.

If there's a potential issue with the preferred candidate himself then any public announcement could have an impact on our plan B, plan C, plan Z, etc.

If we're in negotiations with any party on any topic, it's usually best not to show your hand until those negotiations are concluded.

If we're looking for an announcement just to say we've made an announcement, people are still going to be pishing their pants over the vagueness of it.

There will be plenty of time and scope to hold people to account once the process is concluded and we get the full story, getting the pitchforks out and demanding speed takes priority is how we'll end up with someone like Robinson.

It is with great regret that we announce today that there is a fifty percent chance that we're going to miss out on our number one target. We will not name names, but he was a manager who had previously had success in Norway, and recently managed in France. We are considering upping our salary offer by a multiple of three with the hope of changing his mind. Otherwise, we'll be forced to proceed with targets currently managing in the SPFL top flight, who are the least shite options that remain after two other better guys turned us down too. We would ask anyone reading this on AFC social media to keep this sensitive information on a need-to-know basis, so as not to jeopardise the prawcess.

[RicoS321]

4 hours ago, Jute said:

Think my frustration with this is that when you see how the model we are supposed to have in place works elsewhere the director of football is supposed to have the replacement for the manager lined up before he sacks the current one. It’s quite clear that this was not the case when we sacked Thelin. From outside it looks like we have only started looking after we sacked Thelin. 

I don't want our director of football having that much sway, and would rather we had an actual process in place to replace managers that doesn't prejudice the appointment. If I have someone in mind, let's say Stephen Glass as an example, I'd more than likely have already made up my mind about the current manager and either not be giving him the support he required, or even going as far as to actively sabotage his chances by only allowing the signing of three incredibly shite loanees in a transfer window, causing even further damage going forward for the inevitable replacement. It also doesn't allow for unexpected applications etc. I'm not sure that clubs with a sporting director do always have replacements lined up (often it can just be a case of good timing, or that they are a big club with a lot of sway who can go out and purchase a replacement immediately), I'm sure we could find plenty of examples of clubs that take their time and also have a sporting director (possibly even in our own league...). I see no real issue with not having a replacement ready. 

 

[TheDonbytheDee]

1 hour ago, Slim said:

What sort of update would keep everyone happy though?

Anything really.

Just tell us that we have missed out on potential targets and working on others. 

Just give it to Leven until the end of the season and buy ourselves some time.  Bar the cup, the season is pretty much a write off anyway, so possibly best we don't suffer from another Goodwin type appointment, where his easy fixes never really materialized and lots wanted him gone at the end of that first season. He never got the comfort of a new manager bounce.  

I'm assuming they would want something sorted before the ST renewal emails come out next month.

 

[Panda]

8 hours ago, Jute said:

rom outside it looks like we have only started looking after we sacked Thelin. 

Horneland has been on the club's radar for quite some time, so the "should have names lined up," they essentially did. But, he only became available about three weeks into the managerial search. Would imagine it would have been really frustrating for the club if they appointed someone, only for their number one choice to become a free agent days later, so the time it's taken can be in part attributed to that.

Edited 3 hours ago by Panda

[Panda]

Been told we might get an update tonight or tomorrow. I'll revisit this on Saturday when we don't

Andreas Hinkel (who was linked earlier in the thread). He's said he hasn't spoken to Aberdeen and it's news to him, so if Horneland falls through I think we can rule him out.

[wee toon red]

It isn’t that these allegedly non shambolic clubs have replacements ready to go whenever they sack a manager, it’s that they’ve decided to sack the manager weeks before they actually do so and they spend the time organising the replacement. We’ve obviously sacked Jimmy sooner than intended so the replacements weren’t quite at the “sign here please” stage. I still contend that that doesn’t make us a shambles in any kind of way. If anything, it suggests there’s an old-school honour in how we deal with senior people.

[OxfordDon]

Maybe we should borrow the Nottingham Forest hiring process - they've managed to seamlessly hire three managers this season alone, that must be the complete opposite of a shambles.

[OrlandoDon]

14 minutes ago, OxfordDon said:

Maybe we should borrow the Nottingham Forest hiring process - they've managed to seamlessly hire three managers this season alone, that must be the complete opposite of a shambles.

Three managers since we canned Jimmy? We could learn a thing or two!