Crazy American Politics

[manc_don]

On 06/01/2026 at 02:29, RicoS321 said:

They're not actually stopping any drugs though, just blowing up fishing boats for a laugh. 

It’s never been about stopping the drugs, just getting their cut (quite literally).

[DonUnder]

Information source not specific but there are articles flying around suggesting DJT informed the Oil companies before congress of the Venezuelan soirée.

I could care less but Chevron shares did jump $5 the same day.......

 

[TheDonbytheDee]

It's as clear as day it's all about access to the ever dwindling resources of the world.

Greenland will be next.

The EU (UK included), can't even blame the usual pariah countries (Russia & China), for it either.

To think, still a load of folk over here, including posters on this forum, believe Trump is a force of good.

Scary shit.

[RicoS321]

19 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

It's as clear as day it's all about access to the ever dwindling resources of the world.

Greenland will be next.

The EU (UK included), can't even blame the usual pariah countries (Russia & China), for it either.

To think, still a load of folk over here, including posters on this forum, believe Trump is a force of good.

Scary shit.

I don't think anyone on this forum suggested Trump was a force of good. I know @OrlandoDon voted for him, but lots of people vote for the person they think is the least worst option. Your point about resources is correct (obviously!), and the democrats - had they been in power - would have been heading in the direction of Venezuela and Greenland too. That they would have done it via the upstanding routes of sanctions, covert toppling of Maduro and solicitors (in Greenland) doesn't make it better; Trump has simply said it out loud. The Democrats and their donors will be absolutely delighted that Trump is doing what he's doing. 

[DonUnder]

13 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

I don't think anyone on this forum suggested Trump was a force of good. I know @OrlandoDon voted for him, but lots of people vote for the person they think is the least worst option. Your point about resources is correct (obviously!), and the democrats - had they been in power - would have been heading in the direction of Venezuela and Greenland too. That they would have done it via the upstanding routes of sanctions, covert toppling of Maduro and solicitors (in Greenland) doesn't make it better; Trump has simply said it out loud. The Democrats and their donors will be absolutely delighted that Trump is doing what he's doing. 

Of course 'covert' could be legal and involving Lawyers (however distasteful) implies acting within some legal framework but.....meh

[TheDonbytheDee]

50 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

I don't think anyone on this forum suggested Trump was a force of good. I know @OrlandoDon voted for him, but lots of people vote for the person they think is the least worst option. Your point about resources is correct (obviously!), and the democrats - had they been in power - would have been heading in the direction of Venezuela and Greenland too. That they would have done it via the upstanding routes of sanctions, covert toppling of Maduro and solicitors (in Greenland) doesn't make it better; Trump has simply said it out loud. The Democrats and their donors will be absolutely delighted that Trump is doing what he's doing. 

More to do with some of us AbMad refugees, that took refuge here, as don't really know the politics of the existing Donstalk posters.

I think when we vote for a party, or a leader/president. We believe they will do good, whether for yourself individually or your  country.

How you interpret good is another matter.

 

 

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

I think when we vote for a party, or a leader/president. We believe they will do good, whether for yourself individually or your  country.

How you interpret good is another matter

I don't think that's the case at all. The current Labour party built their entire case on not being the Tory party, and many, many people would have voted for them to keep the Tories out. I don't generally vote, but have in the past for the SNP to keep Andrew Bowie out (it failed). I didn't believe that they would do good, just that they were less shite than the alternative.

[RicoS321]

2 hours ago, DonUnder said:

Of course 'covert' could be legal and involving Lawyers (however distasteful) implies acting within some legal framework but.....meh

If your legal framework makes it possible to overthrow a government or effectively steal land and resources, then it makes you no different to the person who does it out with that framework.

[Slim]

4 hours ago, DonUnder said:

Information source not specific but there are articles flying around suggesting DJT informed the Oil companies before congress of the Venezuelan soirée.

I could care less but Chevron shares did jump $5 the same day.......

 

I assume when you say "before congress" you mean some gawdy function room at Mar-A-Lago?

[Mason89]

ICE have just murdered a woman in her car. 
You’ve got to wonder where all these 2nd amendment enthusiasts are? You know the ones that have been boring the shit out folk for decades about tyrannical government and their cold dead hands 

Seems they only like shooting school kids. Utter baby balled  shite bags the lot of them 

[Jupiter]

3 hours ago, Mason89 said:

ICE have just murdered a woman in her car. 
You’ve got to wonder where all these 2nd amendment enthusiasts are? You know the ones that have been boring the shit out folk for decades about tyrannical government and their cold dead hands 

Seems they only like shooting school kids. Utter baby balled  shite bags the lot of them 

Why is that news over here? If it happened here, it wouldn't be news over there. Our media numpties are obsessed with stuff that happens in America.

[Jute]

Thing is the U.S. already has the right to expand its existing bases in Greenland so there is no need for them to take over for security reasons as they can just beef u bases they have. 
 

As for resources the Greenland and Danish governments have said U.S. companies are welcome to bid for mining rights so can get access to to resources so again no reason (other than Trump hates paying for things) for them to control to Greenland. 
 

This isn’t about security or resources but ego for the fat orange fascist. He wants to be first US president since McKinley to expand U.S. territory. 

[DonUnder]

11 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

If your legal framework makes it possible to overthrow a government or effectively steal land and resources, then it makes you no different to the person who does it out with that framework.

Sorry I don't agree.

[DonUnder]

11 hours ago, Slim said:

I assume when you say "before congress" you mean some gawdy function room at Mar-A-Lago?

Lazy on my part before  before he informed .

[Mason89]

The identity of the shooter still hasn’t been revealed. Usually the internet gets to the bottom of that very quickly 

What’s the odds he’s a pardoned Jan 6th rioter? 

[tom_widdows]

Everyday the 'western' world gets closer the the film 'Hobo with a shotgun'.

Rutger Hauer isnt around anymore to step in though

[BigAl]

With no political bias whatsoever, it has to be said, there are easier ways to stop someone that shooting someone three times in the face

[Jute]

3 hours ago, Mason89 said:

The identity of the shooter still hasn’t been revealed. Usually the internet gets to the bottom of that very quickly 

What’s the odds he’s a pardoned Jan 6th rioter? 

Won’t matter who he is as Vance has said he has absolute immunity. 

[Mason89]

10 hours ago, Jute said:

Won’t matter who he is as Vance has said he has absolute immunity. 

This probably won’t come as a surprise but he was lying. 
 

[Jute]

2 hours ago, Mason89 said:

This probably won’t come as a surprise but he was lying. 
 

Really. You do surprise me. 

[InversneckieDob]

The mid terms....

Happening?

 

Not happening?

2026 could be the most dangerous year ever.

[Mason89]

I don’t think he’ll stop the midterms. Somebody will know better than me but I think the States run them. I’d imagine he’ll make it harder for people to vote democrat though 

I think we’re at the beginning of the end anyway. He’ll be gone by then 

[RicoS321]

11 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

Somebody will know better than me but I think the States run them

Correct. There's plenty that can be done to prevent people voting, and the Republicans have got it down to a tee in places like Georgia, and other places that matter. Things like voter cross-check (purging the voter rolls), and then eliminating provisional ballots*. They've been doing it since Bush "won" in 2000. The Democrats were, as always, a lot slower on the uptake and - like the Labour party in the UK - expend most of their energy and tactics on stopping the left of their own party getting votes (see Sanders v Clinton for example). Things like mail in ballots are a red herring, there is very little fraud in those areas as anyone in the UK would know. However, an accusation of fraud is often as good as actual fraud when you want a vote challenged thrown out, which is why Trump mentions it continuously. The reason for targetting mail in ballots is because they generally come from three cohorts. Those professional middle class types that are well organised and work in cities, plus lower class ethnic minorities that are very time poor and whose employers simply wouldn't allow them time to vote in person. The older generation still prefer the tradition of in-person voting unless they are disabled, and of course those with a disability also utilise them. Traditionally, all of the above would be a Democrat majority. That is not to say that everyone who is a Democrat uses mail in, and vice versa, just that there's a very obvious majority, so targetting the whole is fruitful.

Trump's biggest issue with a mid-term will be voter turnout. More people will turn out with a grievance than with lukewarm support. That's the same for any president, but will probably be a large factor this time, as he's lost a large part of his popularity (again, not unusual). There is nothing he can do to prevent states from holding their vote, but there is plenty he can do afterwards to challenge and indeed fix the result. It will start with full scale accusations of fraud when he loses, and then Republican states not declaring and so on. Votes get thrown out until the correct result is returned. However, I think it will beyond his control, as the turnover required will be too great.

*the volume of votes not counted in certain Republican states is staggering.

[Slim]

Expect lots of ICE “agents” hanging around polling locations in areas with large non-white populations. Assuming he hasn’t pulled the Insurrection Act card by then.