Scottish Cup Winners v Victims

[BigAl]

Yengi.....

Jesus fuck 

 

[OrlandoDon]

Not a bad half, poor goal to lose but good play by tierney, sivert could have been tighter. Nice play at times from milanovic adil and topi, they look a threat at times. Poor yengi though, just not happening for him and I really don’t think he looks much better than Ambrose. Surely sokler can be more of a threat today.

only 1 down at half, at least we didn’t go 2 behind in the first half as has happened far too often in recent games. All to play for.

[wee toon red]

We’ve been ok so far, albeit yengi is really struggling. They’re not running through us or round us at will like they were doing last season.

[KGB]

Despite my criticisms of the tactics we’ve actually played quite well with some decent performances. 

[OrlandoDon]

Just now, wee toon red said:

We’ve been ok so far, albeit yengi is really struggling. They’re not running through us or round us at will like they were doing last season.

Yeah. If we had a threatening 9 who worried them I think that makes a big difference. Still, we didn’t just sit back, although we haven’t created much. Need to get milanovic more in the ball and in space, I think he’s a legit player.

[OxfordDon]

The good:  we look like a more coherent team, good moments from a number of players, Auchichichi showing some flashes, Milanovic continues to impress.

The bad: Yengi - slower than a Robin Reliant in wet cement, more poor touches.  He may just need time, but can we afford to give him that time as a starter every week?

[Slim]

Problem with Yengi is that he doesn’t seem to be particularly aggressive. At least when things weren’t going Gueye’s way you could still rely on him to leave the boot in or body someone out of the way. Yengi’s being dominated by Liam Scales.

[OrlandoDon]

2-1, sokler (2)!!!!

[OrlandoDon]

Two good goals from Celtic, not really bad play from us. No overreaction here, I think we are a couple of signings away from being a decent team. Hopefully the new 9 links with our other front 3 and we’ll be solid!

tough start to the season but not unexpected, especially with the transfer window still open and business still to be done.

[Slim]

Surprised Palaversa seems to be well out of the picture. For me he’s better than Nilsen at pretty much everything, as frustrating as he can often be.

[OxfordDon]

27 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Two good goals from Celtic, not really bad play from us. No overreaction here, I think we are a couple of signings away from being a decent team. Hopefully the new 9 links with our other front 3 and we’ll be solid!

tough start to the season but not unexpected, especially with the transfer window still open and business still to be done.

Don't worry, BBC has overreaction more than covered.

[redordead]

Listened to it as doing DIY. Sounded very familiar to last season. No threat. Having attacking plans is surely the bare minimum for premier League coaching team.

Firing it wide then asking the winger to cut inside, and beat three men until we catch up with him seems to be our only option and it's pish.

Edited August 10 by redordead

[Panda]

Similar to the Hearts game. Looked good in flashes, but were outfought, wanted too much time on the ball, and our number nine had another poor game. And yet, like Hearts, although we were second best we could have got something from the game.

We appeared to think Celtic would sit off us and we'd get space to play, but they were aggressive. Every counter attack we had they were racing to stop us while we were labouring out.

Milanovic, Keskinen (who was much better than v Hearts) and Aouchiche all had their moments, but we need to sharpen up. 

I'd be more worried if that was our strongest team. New striker coming in, we do have options to replace Nilsen (whether we use them or not I don't know), we need to decide what position Shinnie is going to be, and two young right-sided centre backs won't be the norm all season, Gyamfi still to get fit. There's still hope.

[wee toon red]

Hate to say it but we look like a team that needs more games. Maybe the plan is to start light and be fresh late into the season rather than running out of steam by Christmas.

We’ve definitely got the makings of a good side once we get a striker and the right midfield partnership so let’s hope it comes together sooner rather than later.

[RicoS321]

Oh well, wasn't the worst. Very similar to last season's run, with some nice football without doing anything of note. Aouchiche probably the best of the new lads, although unfortunately looked better when he dropped deeper! For the most part we were well organised, and Milne did well on the left (thank fuck Thelin listens to me). Dorrington was poor, Jensen decent. Keskinen worked hard, but with zero threat. Milanovic drifted out of it and showed little strength to match his size. Yengi looked frightened and it's probably the earliest I've ever moved into pity mode for a player. 

I'd say we're worse off than last season, and need a box to box midfielder and a striker.

[OrlandoDon]

So much of our play in a 4-2-3-1 relies on a capable 9, until we have that we’re going to struggle. Much of our play will involve hitting the 9 for link play, but right now our 9 can’t control, link, or play. Thought we were more attacking minded than we gave been against them in recent years.

thought the two central defenders did well. Delvin did well on the left. Getting no attacking play from sivert or shinnie hurts, one needs to provide attacking options. Add to the fact sivert should prevent the first and the second is a ball inside where maybe a holding mid should be?

two 2-0 losses is no embarrassment. Season starts next weekend for sure.

[OrlandoDon]

33 minutes ago, redordead said:

Listened to it as doing DIY. Sounded very familiar to last season. No threat. Having attacking plans is surely the bare minimum for premier League coaching team.

Firing it wide then asking the winger to cut inside, and beat three men until we catch up with him seems to be our only option and it's pish.

I think that style of play comes from our inability to get it to a 9 who can collect and link with the other front 3. As a result, when you know your 9 is pish you go wide or to 10 earlier and you get what you said. Not effective. 
 

[OrlandoDon]

3 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Oh well, wasn't the worst. Very similar to last season's run, with some nice football without doing anything of note. Aouchiche probably the best of the new lads, although unfortunately looked better when he dropped deeper! For the most part we were well organised, and Milne did well on the left (thank fuck Thelin listens to me). Dorrington was poor, Jensen decent. Keskinen worked hard, but with zero threat. Milanovic drifted out of it and showed little strength to match his size. Yengi looked frightened and it's probably the earliest I've ever moved into pity mode for a player. 

I'd say we're worse off than last season, and need a box to box midfielder and a striker.

Bit harsh I think. Thought milanovic was unlucky when he was physical and took the ball from tierney early in the game. Wasn’t a foul. Compare him to a morris, hedges, McGinn, Hayes okkelsetc, maybe topi, he’s just as physical or more so.

[Jute]

Thought Milanovic, Aouchiche and Keskinen all looked okay in flashes. Milne did okay playing on the wrong side and Dorrington, distribution aside, was decent. Thought both both full backs struggled and Jensen especially struggles with defensive side. Yengi was rotten again. 
 

Celtic beat us comfortably. We carried no goal threat and never really looked like troubling them. I don’t expect us to win these games but would like us to at least compete but I got the feeling team were not to fussed at losing 2-0

[dons8321]

3 hours ago, OxfordDon said:

The good:  we look like a more coherent team, good moments from a number of players, Auchichichi showing some flashes, Milanovic continues to impress.

The bad: Yengi - slower than a Robin Reliant in wet cement, more poor touches.  He may just need time, but can we afford to give him that time as a starter every week?

Can't believe that any footballer would try to stop the ball when he was chasing the ball towards the byeline...even Duk against the same opponents a couple of season ago knew enough to wrap his foot round the ball and flash it into the 6-yd box.  Even if he had managed to stop it and turn, their defenders would have been back and set.  Well at least he managed to win a couple of headers today!  

 

 

[RicoS321]

4 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Bit harsh I think. Thought milanovic was unlucky when he was physical and took the ball from tierney early in the game. Wasn’t a foul. Compare him to a morris, hedges, McGinn, Hayes okkelsetc, maybe topi, he’s just as physical or more so.

Hayes? Jesus. He never shirked a challenge.

That was his only tackle of the game, it was never a foul, but he never went up for a header despite being over six feet. He's a big lad who could use it better than he's shown in his short time. Would make a big difference to his game if he can develop that, especially in this league. His positioning defensively was poor too, but that will come with training, and he won't play against better opponents often. There's some promise there, but it'll need work. He could be like Hedges, who thrived when he learned that he had the strength and athleticism required. Very similar players. I think he'll be a good signing.

Forgot to mention that Polvara was once again better than those that went off. He has to be starting soon. I noticed today that his touch wasn't as good as normal, almost like he was trying too hard. The sub appearances are doing him no good, and will start to impact negatively. His game time doesn't seem to be being well managed, perhaps there's off field issues we're not party to.

[OrlandoDon]

25 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Hayes? Jesus. He never shirked a challenge.

That was his only tackle of the game, it was never a foul, but he never went up for a header despite being over six feet. He's a big lad who could use it better than he's shown in his short time. Would make a big difference to his game if he can develop that, especially in this league. His positioning defensively was poor too, but that will come with training, and he won't play against better opponents often. There's some promise there, but it'll need work. He could be like Hedges, who thrived when he learned that he had the strength and athleticism required. Very similar players. I think he'll be a good signing.

Forgot to mention that Polvara was once again better than those that went off. He has to be starting soon. I noticed today that his touch wasn't as good as normal, almost like he was trying too hard. The sub appearances are doing him no good, and will start to impact negatively. His game time doesn't seem to be being well managed, perhaps there's off field issues we're not party to.

I’m starting to think we’re ruining polvara’s career. He’s not getting extended minutes regardless of how he plays, and he’s played out wider recently which is not where he belongs. None of our central players are consistently good, I just don’t under stand why he isn’t given a start. As you say, perhaps we aren’t aware of all of the story there. I really wonder if he’s capable of playing alongside shinnie with adil ahead of them. We clearly signed a 10 so polvara isn’t playing there from the start, why aren’t we trying/taking a look? 

Edited August 10 by OrlandoDon

[Jute]

Polvara definitely made a difference when he came on at Hearts but was not so convinced today. Felt he gave ball away quite a bit. That said I would have started him or Palaversa over Nilsen today. 

[JessianK]

Think I might send a thank you sarcastic letter when complaining about the BB situation, after all it saved me 7 hours all in for a miserable journey up and down after watching that mess. It is slowly dawning that European football can't really compete in Scottish football. The counter attacking style play Thelin is used to back home isn't working here. 

If, we are still struggling by October, I am sure the club will have a lot of empty BB spaces. atm top 6 is a realistic goal. And european football hasn't even started yet ! 

[BigAl]

1 hour ago, JessianK said:

Think I might send a thank you sarcastic letter when complaining about the BB situation, after all it saved me 7 hours all in for a miserable journey up and down after watching that mess. It is slowly dawning that European football can't really compete in Scottish football. The counter attacking style play Thelin is used to back home isn't working here. 

If, we are still struggling by October, I am sure the club will have a lot of empty BB spaces. atm top 6 is a realistic goal. And european football hasn't even started yet ! 

Just a thought @JessianK have you considered travelling with the Glasgow supporters club ?