Jimmy Thelin

[BigAl]

1 hour ago, Nordicus said:

TBF    He is attempting to employ McInnes tactics 

Threaten to leave , in return for unwarranted pay raises

 

Genuinely not aware of any pay rise for Thelin.

Apologies if I have missed this but when did it happen 

[Elgindon]

6 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Genuinely not aware of any pay rise for Thelin.

Apologies if I have missed this but when did it happen 

Think he's just assumed so....

[Nordicus]

6 minutes ago, Elgindon said:

Think he's just assumed so....

no I was just being flippant

I said already I think he (genuinely) doesn't want to be here

[tlg1903]

I think the January window could be the make or break of Thelin as Afc manager.  It will be just as important to move the right players on as well as bring the right players in but if we do that I don't think we are that far away from a good team.  

[BigAl]

1 hour ago, Nordicus said:

no I was just being flippant

I said already I think he (genuinely) doesn't want to be here

Fair enough mate 

[BigAl]

34 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

I think the January window could be the make or break of Thelin as Afc manager.  It will be just as important to move the right players on as well as bring the right players in but if we do that I don't think we are that far away from a good team.  

Exactly what we need TLG, a dose of positivity  

[Goldie03]

18 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Exactly what we need TLG, a dose of positivity  

TLG is my fav on here for always being glass 3/4 full 

[The.Moog]

So I think its fair to say we’re pretty much all on the fence with Thelin currently.

I agree with most comments made above.

We have not progressed at all in his time. At best we’ve flatlined.

None of us have any idea what he’s trying to do. There is no identity and style to this team. Too many square pegs in round holes. Jensen is a prime example, he’s an absolute liability at LWB, offers nothing and is a complete bottleneck, yet when he switched to RWB yesterday he was so much better and more effective. That’s on Thelin, not Jensen. Trouble is we need to be developing young Lobban in there so there’s not really a place for Jensen.

The inverted wingers has just not worked, end of. He’ll stick with it regardless though which for me is a massive red flag.

The boy at Motherwell is a really bad look for JT. He’s offering everything in terms of identity, playing style and maximising player potential that JT simply is not - on an absolute pittance of a budget.

While loyalty is an admirable thing, I can’t help thinking Dave’s commitment to JT is as much driven by his desire to not be seen as having appointed another dud as any genuine belief in his talents.

The recruitment has been a disaster last couple of windows. We’ve downgraded all over the place. Painful as it is to say, the diets this summer have been a really bad look for us on that front. How much this is on Thelin is debatable of course. Lets see what the penguin pincher brings to the party on that front. Mowbray being back, given his track record doesn’t hurt either.

Agree January is massive, both for recruitment and playing style as well as results. At the moment I’m far from confident we’ll see the desired progress though…

[Ajja]

The square pegs is a big problem. His system is dependant on WBs but we don’t actually have any. We have a collection of converted left and right sided midfielders or CBs into FBs.  Lobban has done well but I’m not sure he is a WB. Our wide attacking players are easily defended as they always cut into traffic. We were arguably better when we had next to useless haddies like Morris as at least he would take the ball to the goal line and cut it back into  areas of danger where Nisbet could do what he does. All our attacking play is into congested channels or on the edge of the box. We are toothless as a result. 
Very little bite or dig in midfield means we struggle to win ball, maintain any posession or build from a platform. Teams overrun us easily in that area. If we get the gaps right between middle and back we are hard to beat but utterly inept up front, if we get the gaps further up right we start to look dangerous but wide open at the back. We seem to fluctuate between these two set ups in game. 

[tlg1903]

4 hours ago, Goldie03 said:

TLG is my fav on here for always being glass 3/4 full 

My colleague found this quite amusing, let's just say I'm known for being a little more cynical in work.  Kind of you to say though

[Panda]

4 hours ago, The.Moog said:

 

While loyalty is an admirable thing, I can’t help thinking Dave’s commitment to JT is as much driven by his desire to not be seen as having appointed another dud as any genuine belief in his talents.

 

My theory is that Cormack wants the whole back room structure sorted; coaching, academy. Basically a whole DNA - pathway to first team, pathway for coaches to step up too.

This whole "three year project" is more about Thelin leaving a legacy on the club, an imprint. 

That's why he has backed Thelin a hell of a lot more than Glass, Goodwin or Robson because they weren't offering that. And I think results wise, Thelin winning the cup and banking £6m+ from Europe, that was probably ahead of schedule - the club likely were aiming for that in his second or third season.

It would also explain why Thelin doesn't feel the need to throw in Bilalovic and Kjartansson. I think he's quite happy to develop these guys and have the next manager enjoy the fruits of his labour.

Like I said, just a theory. If he gets sacked next week, someone delete this.

Edited Monday at 21:05 by Panda

[manc_don]

It would make sense of why he’s not had any of his attempts at resigning accepted (along with teeth’s need for not having appointed another failure). Guess we’ll never know.

[tlg1903]

3 hours ago, manc_don said:

It would make sense of why he’s not had any of his attempts at resigning accepted (along with teeth’s need for not having appointed another failure). Guess we’ll never know.

I can see why it's feasible but I'm just not convinced Cormack would want a manager that isn't committed.  My guess/hope if there is anything to this? After Athens Thelin has said words to the effect of  'if you want me to go I would rather resign than be fired'. Not exactly offering to quit but letting it be known he won't stay if he's not wanted. It's not unreasonable to speculate that could Chinese whispers within the club that he offered to quit 2bf. 

 

Regardless, this is water under the bridge now you would think with the rise in the table and the arrival of Lutz. Going forward it's a big 40 odd days for Thelin with run of tricky, but winnable, and equally loseable, fixtures going into the new year. Assuming we get through that relatively successfully then he really needs a strong window. Personally, I would say he only needs 3 starting capable players in the door to transform the team.  The arrival of the contacts book of LP gives me  hope that could happen. The right outs will be just as important as well given we stocked up for a 4231 but have ended up with a back 3.  

 

I think it's worth mentioning that it was about this sort of stage in Thelins Elfsborg career that they started to  click and put together results.    Swedish journalists told us you need to give Thelin 2 years before you really see what one of his teams is all about so it would make sense that the second half of this season will see the most improvement in the team if that stands.  "Can history repeat itself?" is the question that we are about to find out in the next few months basically. 

 

[TheDonbytheDee]

6 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

I can see why it's feasible but I'm just not convinced Cormack would want a manager that isn't committed.  My guess/hope if there is anything to this? After Athens Thelin has said words to the effect of  'if you want me to go I would rather resign than be fired'. Not exactly offering to quit but letting it be known he won't stay if he's not wanted. It's not unreasonable to speculate that could Chinese whispers within the club that he offered to quit 2bf. 

 

I could see Dave keeping a manager who doesn't want to be here, due to his enormous ego not wanting to have gotten another appointment wrong.

 

 

[RicoS321]

10 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

I could see Dave keeping a manager who doesn't want to be here, due to his enormous ego not wanting to have gotten another appointment wrong.

 

 

Stephen Glass is still kept in his basement.

[manc_don]

6 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

I can see why it's feasible but I'm just not convinced Cormack would want a manager that isn't committed.  My guess/hope if there is anything to this? After Athens Thelin has said words to the effect of  'if you want me to go I would rather resign than be fired'. Not exactly offering to quit but letting it be known he won't stay if he's not wanted. It's not unreasonable to speculate that could Chinese whispers within the club that he offered to quit 2bf. 

 

Regardless, this is water under the bridge now you would think with the rise in the table and the arrival of Lutz. Going forward it's a big 40 odd days for Thelin with run of tricky, but winnable, and equally loseable, fixtures going into the new year. Assuming we get through that relatively successfully then he really needs a strong window. Personally, I would say he only needs 3 starting capable players in the door to transform the team.  The arrival of the contacts book of LP gives me  hope that could happen. The right outs will be just as important as well given we stocked up for a 4231 but have ended up with a back 3.  

 

I think it's worth mentioning that it was about this sort of stage in Thelins Elfsborg career that they started to  click and put together results.    Swedish journalists told us you need to give Thelin 2 years before you really see what one of his teams is all about so it would make sense that the second half of this season will see the most improvement in the team if that stands.  "Can history repeat itself?" is the question that we are about to find out in the next few months basically. 

 

I really hope you are right mate, it’s generally been a painful 18 months thus far so any glimmers of hope I will absolutely latch onto as I can’t see him going anywhere.