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I couldn't give a fuck about McGhee. My arguments at the time of Calderwood's sacking and McGhee's subsequent appointment were more concerned with the financial implications for the club. As I've already said in this very thread we need a black bank balance before any kind of success can be built. Fuck, I think if you go back about a week I speculated whether attempting to push Milne out and take the consequences would we be any worse off, even if it meant administration and relegation.

It's not acceptable but surely it can be made palatable if in the long term the club can get back onto an an even financial keel. That, above all else, has to be the real key to any sort of tangible future success. I admit, you amuse me, especially when you get angry, sort of like a reverse Bruce Banner. I haven't listened to the interview, perhaps I will when I go home, although your description of what sounds to me as McGhee whining about the hand he has been dealt, sounds like something I would have no interest in sitting through. A good manager works with his teams strengths while trying to improve on their weaknesses, for McGhee to still be blaming the players for his inability to work in this way, after 8 months in the job and two previous embarrassing cup defeats, says all I need to know. 1) Who gives a fuck how we got there, we got there. Please don't now come out with "we didn't deserve 4th place last season". 2) Was it worth the close to £1million to find out if someone else could achieve any less unacceptable cup results.

Exactly! If treading water is qualifying for Europe every couple of seasons but challenging for that place every season and winning in the league more often than we lose. I'd be willing to accept that, even if it meant sucking up a humiliating cup exit once or twice a season. Even more so if it meant the club was beginning to look like breaking even on a yearly basis. Really and truly what was so wrong with that? That said Calderwood probably felt he had achieved all he was going to, given the financial constraints of the club. Maybe he felt he should have won something tangible and that's what prompted the signing of the extension? In all honesty things needed freshening up at that time on both sides. A new man would have had a clean slate to work from, as that side had just been broken up. Any kind of lasting success has to be built on foundations, what kind of success does anyone expect to be built on a £12 million debt especially when your adding another +/-£1 million to it? I'm sure there has to some sort of metaphoric link in there regarding SMG hooses and dodgy foundations . I don't think I was ever particularly a fan of Calderwood, but summer 2009 who was realistically going to do better and what is better? 3rd every season? A good run in the lottery of the cups? After all this is not like the 80's, we are not the first/second best team in the league. In all honesty we're somewhere between the 3rd and 7th best team. McGhee was never the man for the job. Rocket likes to harp on about winners. McGhee, while successful as a player has achieved fuck all as a manager. Like has been said the club is a shambles they take a risk in punting a manger but bottle it half way through and take a "safe" option as a replacement. I assume they thought as a former fans favourite, he'd be given time and excused the same "achievements" that Jimmy was berated for. In answer to Rockets post: Was paying off Calderwood wrong? Yes, as far as the timing of it. He had qualified his team for Europe most of which were half way through 2 year deals, and should have been allowed to finish the job he started. Was it correct to give Calderwood an extension? No, lets be honest, from both AFC's and Calderwood's perspective things needed freshening up. Was McGhee the correct replacement? As has been said; many on this forum, myself included, did not think so. Unfortunately it looks like we were correct.

We'd have been better off in a footballing sense too. Jimmy's "dross" players playing Jimmy's "negative & boring" style of football or winning as everyone else calls it. If we had to make a change it should have been at the end of this season, with virtually the entire playing staff out of contract. Even then it should not have been a middle of the road, never really achieved anything after 10+ years of management, been turned down at least once already, finished below us in the same league type manager.

We're worse.FACT. Financially and footballing-ly.

mmm beer. The wife is working the night and with the fitba on at 12 tomorrow, I can get very very drunk. Bye.

EH? Day 1 Saturday 1500 - Sunday 1459.59... Day 2 Sunday 1500 - Monday 1459.59... Day 3 Monday 1500 - Tuesday 1459.59... Day 4 Tuesday 1500 - Wednesday 1459.59... Day 5 Wednesday 1500 - Thursday 1459.59... Day 6 Thursday 1500 - Friday 1459.59... Day 7 Friday 1500 - Saturday 1459.59... What am I missing?

Did we not play at 1500 last Saturday and will be playing at 1230 this Saturday, therefore the players will be finished playing at approx. 1415? That's supposing we are purely classing a week as seven days rather than Monday through Sunday. Then again my Granny used to always tell me the first day of the week was Sunday?

Getting away from the fact that certain members of the team need dropping for performance issues, and ignoring whether three days before an important cup replay would be the correct time to do this. If McGhee hasn't said this, it's the Glasgow press trying (not so subtly) to put pressure on us to beat the tims. If he has said it, it smacks of nothing more than getting the excuses in early. "Resting" players is a nonsense, full-stop. If professional athletes, and I feel I should highlight the word athlete as McGhee was only last week commenting that he had inherited a squad of athletes rather than footballers, can't play three 90 minute games of football in a week, there is something wrong somewhere. I'm sure I read somewhere, only last week, that the 35 year old Paul Scholes had requested not to be "rested" as it was difficult to settle into a rhythm and keep that match sharpness.

Exactly, he should try looking down the back of his sofa. Although, given his grippiness, is it not likely that it may have just rotted away to nothing in the permanent darkness of his wallet?

Very true. How anyone can expect respect and praise, for what they achieved at this club 30 years ago, from the fans, on one hand. While on the other castigating the same fans for living on and expecting similar, to those same past glories. It almost has the same unintentional irony and revisionism as an AFChat post.

I don't know what the fuck was going through my head last night. In fact, no, I do alcohol infused blood cells and some dark thoughts. I think what I'm suggesting there is at some point we have to come to the conclusion that this debt is going nowhere. How long do we have to trundle along putting up with shit. The most exciting thing about Fraser Fyvie is if we sell we'll get some money to pay off some of our debt. How depressing is that? The most exciting prospect since Jess and Booth and we're not thinking "WOW we could win the the league with this guy", we're thinking "WOW he could be worth £5 million, that's almost half our debt in one fell swoop". Is administration and the threat of relegation that much worse than what we currently put up with? The only negative I can see at this moment in time is losing these players for a fraction of their worth, but if we are only ever likely to see a fraction of what they're worth because of the debt situation, would we be any worse off?

To be honest I am becoming increasingly ambivalent to the situation down Pittodrie Street. In 15 odd years what has changed? The players, the manager? Obviously. The only constant over this time is some of the board; but I'm not sure if they are even the focus of, what is inevitably accelerating towards a half drunk rant... The trouble with football is that since 1996 everyone has had an opinion on football. To start with this was a good thing, you could go into a pub and start up a conversation with a stranger about football and not have them look at you like you'd killed someone. Then you started coming across the wankers with their Man Utd then Arsenal then Liverpool (whatever happened to them) then Chelsea shirts and lets be honest here these wankers were the same people just with ever changing shirts and memories of how they came to support "their" team. WHY? Why the fuck would anyone not want to support their local team? Why if you didn't want to support your local team would you choose any of the afore mentioned teams? and add the Old Firm to that although there does seem to be some sort of scumbag reason for that beyond the obvious success related "high" that these fitba junkies seem to get off on. "Eeeeehmmm I support Chelsea because in 1922 they won the South West London Counties Champion of champions shield and its exceptionally interesting because Chelsea aren't in South West London and neither are my family we hail from the Midlands but my Grandad was born the year after and he supported Chelmsley Town and they have C-H-E-L at the start of their name and my uncle once bought me a Fulham shirt and of course they are at the opposite end of the Kings Road from Chelsea, so really it was written in the stars that I support them". CUNTS As much as I hate to admit it we must have a lot of these in our support, fuck it lets not even blame these bastards. I was slagging Jimmy in his second season after not driving the nail home (at home) and really sticking it to Le Guen in the race for second. We and I'm not just talking about Aberdonian's here, are impatient, and what successive managers have failed to recognise, have a fishing village-esque superiority complex. Aberdeen fitba club should be able to take me, a couple of my fat mates, a disabled female goalie and two wheel chair bound paraplegic strikers and still win the fucking league (according to us). It's not happening not now and at no point in the immediate future, and I'm sure (going back to my original point) it doesn't help we have a certain percentage of these combined with those post-'96 fitba expert's on our board. I don't know what the answer is? Now I think I've completely given up on changes at the top of the footballing ladder. One decent appointment in 15 years £12 million (and counting) over-spent, a now unsafe ground... Are we at a cross roads in our existence? Do we even have the bottle to even attempt to force Milne out? Lets play out a scenario whereby McInnes or Levein has taken us to where we are at this point this season, is iy transitional for them?. Is their support for non-Aberdeen leg ends? or are Milne and co desperately trying to re-sign Inglis to disperse the baying mob? I wonder how long we are likely we are to survive administration before Rangers and Celtic come flashing cheap perfumed fagina's in the direction of Pawlett, Aluko, and Fyvie. Because at this point losing this trio and not seeing them develop is the only downside I can see to sucking it up and clearing our debt. Anyway alcohol plus attempting to concentrate.... The only way I'll see if this makes any sense is the AM gOODNIGHT.

Signings who are at best no better than what we have. Talking crap to the press and as a result more often than not doing the opposition managers team talk for him. Embarrassing results against lower league opposition. Having a go at the fans and telling them their expectations are too high. Re-signing the "dross" (Foster).... A few more pies between meals, a couple of sessions at Tan-o-rama, and would anyone know we had actually changed our manager in the summer? *edit. Just thought better put a smilie before someone takes this too seriously.

Maybe... I was thinking of Belabed.

Lets hope he works out more successfully than the last young player we had, who did an interview about taking the bus to training.

Ha Ha! It so sad it's funny.

What the fuck else are we going to do on these forums. You've admitted your enjoying it. What's your problem? Got to be better than the; Your great LS, can I buy you a train ticket to Aberdeen LS, I'll let you touch me inappropriately LS, McGhee is god, no he's not, YES HE IS SAY IT OR YOUR BANNED. I occasionally read over there. Probably part of the reason you have been drifting over here recently.

Me too, hilarious. Bring back Nic Nac!

Something we agree on .

Do I really need to provide a summary after every page for you highly intelligent Chat posters? The point is. You stated no-one involved wanted to see us lose. I thought it was after the protest when it was suggested more would have gone if we lost. I knew I couldn't be bothered to even use the search facility. Dave kindly provided links. I clicked on one. Immediately noticed one, that was suggesting the protest would gain more support if we lost. Noticed it was from you. Posted it up on here in response to your claim. You then claimed that I'm reading too much into it. I claim, consciously or sub-consciously, you meant it. I don't think I suggested once that the protest failed, I now how preciously you protesters hold those 4 minutes in the memories of your desperate struggle against the tyranny of Calderwood's reign. I also fail to see how the 3 posters on here can have a knee-jerk reaction when we lose, but in truth actually want us to lose? Quite what that middle paragraph is about... So in truth I am now confused over what the point of you is.

All without reply

You were the one who went to the press and became spokesperson for the JMG (for the benefit of Rocket, a term coined on AFCHAT and used by Brian in his dealings with the press, as a name for the sextuple). Therefore it would have benefited you if there were larger numbers, no? You would have looked less of a fool if it was a success? I would suggest that whether consciously intentioned or not, the inference is there.

Ha Ha Ha! I think I can actually hear the desperate back pedalling or are you really suggesting the patently obvious inference to this quote was not intentioned? Questions. What was the point in your protest? Do you believe a larger turn out would have reinforced this point?