OrlandoDon

Good effort from the team, hard working battling performance. Saying that, from what I saw, we played through midfield a lot more and possession was better. Certainly less hopeful/hopeless long ball. 4 at the back. Let’s stick with it and build upon this formation. Macdonald solid at the back , won everything in the air, and while Mackenzie is prone to the odd mistake, rash tackle etc, he played well bombing down the left. Linked well with hoilett who was creative and had a good game. Not convinced by gartenmann and I think devlin is lacking confidence, doesn’t totally look like the excellent signing from the autumn. people here have criticized Phillips for his lack of ability but the boy works his bollocks off. A Rama type who definitely helps our midfield. Shinnie was Shinnie, played well and a lovely goal. McGrath is a good player, played well and needs to be given the #10 roaming free role. Played on the right but he’s more of a central player but since we don’t have a right mid it is what it is at present. At present the 5 in midfield, McGrath and hoilett outside and shinnie Barron and Phillips is our best midfield. bojan worked his balls off but didn’t get much, but does a shift. good performance but it’s ‘only’ the cup. We need league wins.

No clue what to expect, formation, personnel, performance etc. but say we win 3-2, miovski 2 and clarkson. On another more important note, given the minimal interest and comments these days, noticed today that shinnie and Charlie mulgrew are members of Snow Patrol. I never knew that.

More and more chat from who??? Validity or simply hope??

Yup, captain Ferguson with a nice volley for the winner. Italy couldn’t have gone any better for him. 20-30 million the talk with most rumors saying juventus want him to replace pogba. What’s our sell on, 20%?

Funny is certainly the wrong word, but it’s funny that I thought something similar too. The collapse we have seen in the last month is very like goodwin’s last month. We’ve gone from being in a decent place to complete shit. I know we weren’t 3rd or 4th, but we had games in hand, were in a cup final, and had a decent last game in Europe. The difference is that we weren’t shit prior to goodwin’s last month, but we’ve been arguably poor all year, plus have a very poorly designed squad, plus were an absolute disaster in the January window. i still feel we are doing the right thing, a review of all things football, but we have to move forward soon. We’ve got a babysitter and nobody benefits right now. Team in limbo and results matter.

That’s the thing, it’s not a clear and obvious error. Haven’t seen it enough but in real time I thought devlin was fouled, then the replay they hit each other 50-50 and no foul. Stunned there was no monitor check. over the full game though we were pretty shit again, horrible tactics, and only one team deserved to win.

Got what we deserved, panic kick ball from the first minute. Wonder strike gave us the lead but over the game can’t deny st mirren didn’t deserve the win. didnt think it was a foul never mind a penalty, red tv didn’t show it again so can’t really reflect, stunned they didn’t go to the monitor.

St mirren by far the better team but we’re hanging on for the most part. Shocking that this is what we have become. We are not a long ball team, don’t have a Curtis main or Sam cosgrove type up top to battle, and every long ball for the most part is lost and st mirren attack again. We won’t win continuing to play like this, it’s wave upon wave and only a matter of time. Few dodgy calls too that I’m waiting for var to give them a penalty, wouldn’t be surprised to see st mirren get a penalty in the second half. Hate this var era where it’s heart in mouth waiting and staring at the ref while there’s a delay.

Being totally dominated because we cannot keep the ball. We’re working hard but zero passing or skill. Frustrating cos we are better than this.

Cracking goal, 30 yard top corner smash. Since then haven’t seen a pass, smash it long at every opportunity. Not unlike st Johnstone game, they are better cos we don’t pass. Not sure why, we have the ability.

8th is appealing right now…

Think we have a game tomorrow, anyone care?? no clue what to expect but always the optimist! 2-1 us and a change of fortune, miovski and shinnie

I was one of the few who felt what we are doing made sense, a review of the whole footballing side of things with an experienced head to see us through to the end of the season. Warnock has been in this type of situation many times, a team closer to the bottom of the league than top and see them to safety. His man management skills were emphasized too, someone who would get the team some confidence. saying that, what the fuck is going on? It’s pick names out of the hat and throw them onto the field. Six midfielders tonight and a 3-6-1. Each game a different fuck up. He benched Devlin and Mackenzie who, in my opinion, have been two of our better performers this season. It’s clear he has no fucking clue about our players, how we play and have been playing, and what has/hasn’t worked. Each game is just a repeat of a Robson fuck up. If we wanted an old master to see us through until the end of the season we’d have been better off with Willie miller, someone who knows the team club and players….i think! Then again, if we were more concerned about personality and team bonding I am sure there are plenty of others out there, say John Hughes (joking really) who know more about the club and players than warnock. he seems totally clueless, it’s no better, arguably worse, than Robson. As many including myself have said, we don’t have the time for trial and error. What structure is in place now? Who supports warnock? Are any of our back room staff giving him any feedback? fucking comical. And seriously worrying.

Wtf tonight. 6 midfielders to start, including 5 center mids if you include Milne. We have to stop fanning around with formation, you cannot chop and change both formation and personnel and expect consistent performance….maybe consistent shite. This isn’t preseason, what the fuck are we doing? curious what happened with devlin not starting tonight, he’s possibly our player of the year…?? where do we go from here. 4 points off 11th….!!

I thought you were extremely optimistic before tonight, now I’m wondering if 1.5 is more realistic. hard to see where any points come from, form is worst in the league I’d assume??

Not much to say. We’re fucking rotten.

Back 3 can fuck off too, permanently. We have to play 4 and go what players are more comfortable with.

Well that first half was a treat. Can’t fault shinnie and certainly cannot really fault Jensen for the penalty. Midfield as a whole pish, Hayes and Milne offer very little going forward, very little from Barron McGrath and clarkson. We have to dominate in midfield to win games and despite 6 midfielders it’s another poor effort.

You’re looking at your ex cos your single, sitting in the pub a little depressed with the boys, in has walked your ex looking fit and tanned, holding the hand of a good looking bloke who drives a nice shiny merc. You think what could have been. Go home for a wank, you’ll feel better. we were shit under mcinnes in the end. We were a good side but that was in the past - Lewis Logan considine Reynolds’s, jack, McLean, shinnie, mcginn, Hayes, cosgrove, Rooney etc were old aging or gone. We were an awful long ball team, poor on the field and failing to bring in quality new players. Gone were the days of having some of the best players in the league in their positions , mcinnes was talented but also lucky. Consistent second and one trophy while everyone bar Celtic were going through troubles and had been relegated. You could argue he also underachieved. Definitely a nice spell we all enjoyed but that had gone well before we finally said goodbye to mcinnes. We also were all happy to see Milne go. we cannot compare mcinnes at Kellie to us, very different expectation and mcinnes isnt a dummy. Our league isn’t strong, we saw that when Robson went on a run last year. Hearts are on a run, killie too, but next year they could be us, bottom six pish, killie could be relegated, you never know. cormack is learning quickly that running a club is hard. Give him credit though he appears willing to spend. He loaned in a bunch of players and got push back, now we’ve signed a bunch of shit and we’re in a bit of a pickle with a bloated squad of pish. We’re failing with managers but you fail and learn. he’s learning, but also needs quality senior management to help run his club. I have to believe he’s evaluating structure as it’s been three close to identical situations where we punt a similar manager in a similar timeframe. i believe we are not the club for a new manager to learn how to manage. We need someone who knows what they are doing, has some battle scars, and has seen a lot already. They also have a good network and connections in the transfer market. I’ll give mcinnes credit, I think he’s the type we’re looking for, but not the one. I don’t support going back to an old club and trying to repeat the past, that’s hard. I see Alex Neill as an option. I’d also take a punt on any of the Scandinavians mentioned before Lennon lambert and the usual names, although are they just Scandinavian Goodwin? I was even intrigued but the Rodriguez bloke who is in Asia. Provided there’s a management structure in place that prepares a new guy, foreign may be an option. Clearly support didn’t happen to the last 3, even it appears with warnock. We can’t go to the usual names we’ve heard for three years, nobody in their right mind wants a part of that. the season is written off, we won’t make top six or Europe, and based on yesterday, plus 3 losses out of 3 without a goal scored against killie, hard to believe the cup will be successful. its time for cormack to give a club update. What’s the current situation, what progress are we making re new manager and potential new structure or changes? He’s got to get ahead of this because with every week it’s getting uglier with the fans and people will turn on and target warnock very quickly if they havent already. Warnock isn’t blameless but the finger has to get pointed at Gunn, cormack, and warnock to a point.

I just dont buy he’s a yes man. Cormack is a successful businessman who lives primarily stateside, I have to assume there are those who are at the club daily who are empowered to make decisions. I think this delay, intern, is to review footballing matters. As you say, it may simply be that Gunn is just push at his job and cormack is taking a step back to assess more than just the manager.

Happy clapper?? bring something to the table, you haven’t said much more than person insults at warnock and that he’s a fucking dinosaur. Repeatedly, which gets old. I’m willing to give the guy a chance, as I did Robson and Goodwin despite openly and repeatedly stating I didn’t want either, but gave reasons. I’ll always do that, you don’t need to agree with me but I’ll back up an argument with reasoning. Far from a happy clapper, I’ll bitch and moan more than most, but I’ll give any new guy support and benefit of the doubt initially, that’s only fair. warnock will get old quick. Yesterday was worrying as was his post match interview. While I agreed with his after match comments, which thankfully wasn’t a jovial and light hearted chat, as has been mentioned, we’ve been pussies for a while. If that’s the case and he feels our team is lacking there, why not play Phillips? Not saying he’s a star player but he’ll put a shift in. He’ll get booked too which warnock asked for!! Didn’t bring him on either?? And to state this isn’t his type of team, I think he could have clarified that comment, as that can be taken as a total deflect comment which is a bitch move. were in a situation which is all about heart and graft. If we don’t have it then it’s on warnock to create it. Very difficult, pretty much impossible, to make nice guys hard bastards. But warnock has been in these types of situations before, unlike leven for example, hopefully we benefit from his experience. what is becoming clear is that he doesn’t know the players, didn’t do homework, and hasn’t been given information on what has been failing us to date. We don’t have the time to wait, for him to figure it out, and the failure to prepare is both on warnock and on the club. Which leads me to point the finger at Gunn again……but again, what is gunn’s job??

Honest and fair, and serious, after match interview with warnock. Acknowledges we’re a bunch of pussies and a hell of a summer ahead. Made the comment that it’s not really his kind of team, lacking physicality and battlers, which is worrying given that’s what we need right now.

I feel that way except cormack is easy to blame. What’s gunn’s job? What is cormack’s?? Cormack hires guys to do jobs, I assume cormack isn’t directly hands on with the team, manager, players, and transfers, i‘m assuming that’s Gunn. i assume it’s cormack’s job to create a structure, plan, and vision. Then hire people to implement. It’s not working so time to reassess, which I assume means assess manager, director of football, and the structure. I assume cormack wants the intern to give him time to assess without having a permanent manager in place wondering what the fuck is going on. I know I’m in the minority, but what I’m assuming cormack is doing right now makes sense. like we all are good at, lots of assumptions.

But what were we sold on? He’s here until the end of the season. And he’s 75 and semi retired. Did you expect a fully committed 24/7 manager producing free flowing football, us to become Fort Knox at the back? What are you expecting from a 4 month appointment? I think we have to be realistic here. It’s the same players and to implement new ideas/tactics etc with this group takes time. Hard with multiple games and limited practice in a week. Saying that, we had a week to prepare for killie and we were fucking rank, that is very concerning. And you are correct, things like the long throws, long free kicks etc should have been binned immediately and, much like you have discussed before, who is giving the manager support right now and providing insight from a disastrous season to date?? It’s not cormack, he’s stateside much of the time, it is Gunn. He’s the man in charge of the footballing side that has failed with 3 managers so far. And is failing with warnock based on the start to his tenure and the same mistakes. It’s cormack’s fault if he doesn’t make serious footballing structural/personnel changes because it’s broken. im assuming a caretaker manager takes the team while an internal investigation takes place and potential structural changes. Can’t really do that behind robson’s back hence the intern. Just my take.

It’s not Rico I’m addressing. Saying that, Rico will debate and discuss, it’s the endless bitching and moaning with little more substance to posts that is irritating. People are entitled to their opinion, of course, but discuss rather than just repeat the same endless moan. I am one that finds warnock entertaining in press conferences, but there’s a time and a place. Warnock’s humor time has passed and I expect a serious and committed manager at these conferences now. We’re not far from second bottom and based on today we dont have a team with any real fighting spirit. We also dont create a lot in games, plus we have a really poor defensive record. The bottom 6 will be a scrap and I won’t lie, it’s a serious concern being only 5 out of that relegation playoff.