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« Reply #700 on: June 11, 2019, 11:58:55 AM »
At the moment it's probably odds on.

Would Boris then win the election is the question.

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« Reply #701 on: June 11, 2019, 12:30:52 PM »
But is it as a result of his policies, or the man himself? Can you separate the two and continue with one and not the other? Or would that result in the same coverage, replacing Corbyn with another person. Let's say Jess Phillips took on the Corbyn manifesto. A decent communicator, easily as good as yer best (of 10) Torys in most departments. Would she face the same thing? MacDonald would, obviously, but somebody outwith that - without the history/baggage.

As I said, the smear campaign started on day one, as I commented at the time: -

The whiff of decency in a politician and he gets slaughtered in the press.

He speaks sense. He's not an Eton fagboy. He's free to think, unsupported by the establishment.

So the fact that the establishment goes to extraordinary lengths to discredit him proves that independent free commentary is unwelcome.

It's the press and the corporatocracy that has bought power. Only because cunts like Cameron and Miliband and Boris and the rest of them are only interested in self, not community.

Yet the job description demands community. Cunts.

Blair was (supposedly) Labour but they never nobbled him because he was in the pocket of the deep state.

The anti-semitism smears are incredible and love him or loath him, Galloway hit the nail on the head about this.


Again, it's bizarre that the is even a discussion to be honest. The BBC and it's fucking leader debates have a lot to answer for. At every opportunity it is their responsibility to shout down any comments about the personality and focus on the policy. I don't believe there is huge bias in their coverage, just wholescale incompetence and laziness. They allow themselves to be dictated by the stories in the press rather than take an objective look at the importance of each subject. Never allowing a discussion on a single topic to get deep enough to be understood by the average viewer. More harm than good in my opinion.

I think you give the BBC too much leeway and I don't understand why the subject of a non-free press would be a "bizarre" discussion.

It's quite patently NOT "incompetence and laziness". Ok, it's not as obvious as Sky and that Kay Burley cow but the mainstream media - and most definitely including the BBC are owned, bought and paid for by the same interests who don't worry about killing people in pursuit of money.
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Re: DT Politics Thread
« Reply #702 on: June 14, 2019, 01:31:34 PM »
At the moment it's probably odds on.

Would Boris then win the election is the question.

He would see off the Brexit party in the Tory heartlands and keep the Tory Party together. Whether that will be enough to secure a majority in the House of Commons is a different matter. I would expect him to be a disaster for the Tories in Scotland for example.

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« Reply #703 on: June 14, 2019, 03:42:32 PM »
He would see off the Brexit party in the Tory heartlands and keep the Tory Party together. Whether that will be enough to secure a majority in the House of Commons is a different matter. I would expect him to be a disaster for the Tories in Scotland for example.

Brexit Party cease to exist once Brexit happens. They are all natural Tory voters and are only protesting at Parliament's inability to deliver on what the referendum demanded they did. They won't want to split the Tory vote thereafter and let someone else in the back door in a subsequent General Election.

Boris as PM I think would be the man to ensure that the UK splits into it's constituent parts. We would definitely go our own way in a referendum and there's talk of a NI referendum being the only way to resolve the Brexit backstop question. With us gone I think there's a reasonable chance that they'd choose to join a united Ireland. Wales will get there in the end too

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« Reply #704 on: June 14, 2019, 11:46:18 PM »
Nah

The Welsh are even bigger cowards than the Scots.

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Re: DT Politics Thread
« Reply #705 on: July 23, 2019, 12:10:33 PM »
Bojo. Jesus christ.

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Re: DT Politics Thread
« Reply #706 on: July 23, 2019, 08:40:37 PM »
Who'd've thought that this day would come. Utter madness.

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« Reply #707 on: July 24, 2019, 11:41:10 AM »
Really not surprised at all Manc, it's been coming since the eu ref result.
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« Reply #708 on: July 24, 2019, 12:35:32 PM »
Edging ever closer to 'hobo with a shotgun' territory
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Re: DT Politics Thread
« Reply #709 on: July 24, 2019, 12:47:01 PM »
Who'd've thought that this day would come. Utter madness.


Everyone who voted Yes in 2014 for a start.

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« Reply #710 on: July 24, 2019, 01:48:50 PM »

Everyone who voted Yes in 2014 for a start.

I voted Yes, but I only ever used the "England could even vote for Boris Johnson as PM and there's nothing Scotland could do to stop it" as a ridiculous example that would never actually come true.

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« Reply #711 on: July 24, 2019, 01:54:57 PM »
I voted Yes, but I only ever used the "England could even vote for Boris Johnson as PM and there's nothing Scotland could do to stop it" as a ridiculous example that would never actually come true.

I could probably just about stomach it if England had indeed voted for Boris as PM. However it was only 90000 or so Tory party members who have voted him as such

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« Reply #712 on: July 26, 2019, 10:18:35 AM »
I voted Yes, but I only ever used the "England could even vote for Boris Johnson as PM and there's nothing Scotland could do to stop it" as a ridiculous example that would never actually come true.


Give yourself more credit min. Your worst case scenario prediction came true.  :'(

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« Reply #713 on: July 26, 2019, 01:35:15 PM »
I voted Yes, but I only ever used the "England could even vote for Boris Johnson as PM and there's nothing Scotland could do to stop it" as a ridiculous example that would never actually come true.

When and where did you give this "ridiculous example"?
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Re: DT Politics Thread
« Reply #714 on: July 28, 2019, 11:29:20 PM »
This was quality.

https://brexitcentral.com/some-more-friendly-advice-from-me-for-boris-johnson/

Written by Austin Mitchell.

The next few weeks will see an outpouring of advice for Boris Johnson. All the commentators who’ve spent the last few weeks denouncing him as a walking disaster, womaniser and serial liar will rush to tell him to redeem himself by doing what they want. Which makes me, as someone impartially opposed to his politics, who found him good fun and a chance for a new start in our deadlocked nation, feel justified in offering my more friendly advice.

Britain’s only human politician who finds himself in a deep hole deserves it. A new Prime Minister will have a short honeymoon before the carping commentariat get back to grinding their axes. Anyone is better than Theresa, and it will be nice to have a human in charge instead of a badly-programmed robot. The Conservative Party will rally round with its usual mixture of loyalty and and grovelling servility. The electorate will like a new start out of a deadlock which frustrates them. So use that happy period – the only one you’ll get now that misery has become the national mood – to make a real new start and rally the people. They’re fed up with bickering deadlock and the long rearguard action of the recalcitrant Remainers. They can’t see why nothing has been done about their vote to Leave. A new Prime Minister and a new Government can’t be doomed to pushing Theresa’s deal for a fourth time. It’s dead, deceased, and inoperable. So it’s right to demand a new negotiation from the EU which they’ll probably refuse, saying Theresa’s is as far as they’ll go. That puts them on the wrong foot. React by doing the old Macmillan trick: announce the end of austerity, more borrowing and turn the spigots on to boost the economy. Then call an early election. That makes it shit or bust, but the lesson of Gordon Brown is that it’s better than struggling on with no majority and no mandate. A government with a majority of two can’t carry on. You have no alternative. The Remainers are wrong footed and (for the moment at least) Labour is in a mess which can’t be cleared up quickly.

A leader determined on Brexit can undercut Farage’s party, while the Lib Dems are still tainted by the Coalition and their support for the euro. The excitement would delay the onslaught of carping which builds as the honeymoon ends. Denounce the intransigence of the EU. Show that “No Deal” would be its fault, ask for the nation’s backing for a fair deal, wave the patriotic banner, bash Corbyn and Boris can win. Then go back to the EU with new proposals which should include a promise never to impose a customs border in Northern Ireland, leaving them free to incur the odium if they want to. Add in a dollop of criticism of the damage agricultural protectionism does to developing countries, a promise of full rights to EU migrants who can support themselves and whatever covert trade deals we’ve been able to arrange against EU rules. Don’t threaten overtly not to pay Theresa’s ransom money – that will only unite them; just keep it covert, indicating that we’ve got to be prosperous to pay up. That’s a high-risk strategy. But Boris is a risk-taker and what’s the alternative? Only humiliating rejection by a stultifying EU, a long, whimpering failure as the country slumps back into bickering decline and a fun Prime Minister turns pathetic.
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Re: DT Politics Thread
« Reply #715 on: July 30, 2019, 12:57:13 PM »
Yass min, fuck you Trump


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Re: DT Politics Thread
« Reply #716 on: August 28, 2019, 02:09:45 PM »
I must say that I admire the bomb that Boris has thrown into the room. By prorogating Parliament, he's taking a risk for sure but it's a calculated one and I think he could pull it off. For a start, the opposition are so weak and the whingeing likes of Corbyn and Sturgeon et al cut no statesmen mustard. Also, the overall trust in politicians has never been lower so for someone to act firmly and decisively, as if they know what they're doing, is something radical in the modern era. I think the people will be all for it.
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« Reply #717 on: August 29, 2019, 08:38:58 AM »
I must say that I admire the bomb that Boris has thrown into the room. By prorogating Parliament, he's taking a risk for sure but it's a calculated one and I think he could pull it off. For a start, the opposition are so weak and the whingeing likes of Corbyn and Sturgeon et al cut no statesmen mustard. Also, the overall trust in politicians has never been lower so for someone to act firmly and decisively, as if they know what they're doing, is something radical in the modern era. I think the people will be all for it.

What does that (bold) even mean? Boris projects a bumbling idiot. Is that statesmanlike? Does it still matter?

It's certainly interesting gamesmanship. It's difficult to tell whether people will think he's acting decisively or if he's hiding from parliament like he (correctly) hid from the interviews in the leadership contest. I suspect whatever the Sun and the Mail class it as will be the line most people take. I can see a general election being the outcome. Whether it will be pre 31/10 will be the only key element.

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« Reply #718 on: August 29, 2019, 09:34:02 AM »
A leader that people can trust is the most important thing that matters when it comes to winning the next General Election. Given how weak the opposition are, I can't see anything but a Boris landslide. Farage's party are now an irrelevance as Boris is as anti-EU as their party name, the only mandate they stand on. By citing crime, health, education, living standards etc., he's projecting "getting on with it", something Theresa Robot was spectacularly inept in. In order to "get on with it", he needs a mandate and support and so he WANTS a General Election the sooner the better. Corbyn is dead. He had a chance but he blew it. Labour are unelectable, in that there is zero chance that England will return them as the majority party. Boris's high profile endorser, Trump, has rewritten the rules. Time will tell if their policies bear fruit but the one thing that is certain is that they've become the only vote winners in their respective sorry races.
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« Reply #719 on: August 29, 2019, 09:42:35 AM »
One huge benefit of this has been the elimination of Ruth Davidson. So much for party politics, she allowed a personality clash to ruin her "career". She's another weak as piss professional politician who has nothing to say, never having had an original thought in its life. Good riddance.
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