THE OFFICIAL: "LET'S ALL LAUGH AT HEARTS"

[RicoS321]

He's a good manager. He's good at getting points. He's pragmatic. It's a good move for him, as hearts are performing below expectations, and he's undoubtedly a better manager than the Critch and Wee Naisey. 

Two of the last three seasons with us it was beginning to be clear that Cormack was having an interest in the transfers and the wider running of the club. Hernandez wasn't a McInnes signing, for example. Certainly his last season can be entirely discounted, as it was clear he was being set up to fail (no transfers in the January took us years to recover from). It was also a frustrating thing for me that we never really worked with McInnes to try and get the new structure in place with him here. But perhaps his salary covered the director of football (how is that going?) and recruitment director roles anyway. I think he'd have worked quite well with his hands off recruitment to a large degree. Guys like Storey, Tansey, Morris (Callum), Main etc just wouldn't have happened had we a stronger recruitment role in the building at the time. We'd have made other failed signings of course, but there would have been the opportunity to learn from those errors too, where McInnes just kept making the same mistakes (and has continued at Killie). 

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how Greg Stewart gets on up front for Hearts next season.

 

[OrlandoDon]

2 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

He's a good manager. He's good at getting points. He's pragmatic. It's a good move for him, as hearts are performing below expectations, and he's undoubtedly a better manager than the Critch and Wee Naisey. 

Two of the last three seasons with us it was beginning to be clear that Cormack was having an interest in the transfers and the wider running of the club. Hernandez wasn't a McInnes signing, for example. Certainly his last season can be entirely discounted, as it was clear he was being set up to fail (no transfers in the January took us years to recover from). It was also a frustrating thing for me that we never really worked with McInnes to try and get the new structure in place with him here. But perhaps his salary covered the director of football (how is that going?) and recruitment director roles anyway. I think he'd have worked quite well with his hands off recruitment to a large degree. Guys like Storey, Tansey, Morris (Callum), Main etc just wouldn't have happened had we a stronger recruitment role in the building at the time. We'd have made other failed signings of course, but there would have been the opportunity to learn from those errors too, where McInnes just kept making the same mistakes (and has continued at Killie). 

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how Greg Stewart gets on up front for Hearts next season.

 

I would say he’s a decent manager, and he’s good at getting points with good teams when other teams are significantly weaker. I always felt the stars aligned for Mcinnes in the first few years, we had a good squad and some very good players. We made some good signings, perhaps mcinnes’ man management/personality helped there. An in their prime with us Lewis, Logan, shinnie, McLean, Hayes, McGinn, jack, Ferguson, possibly Sam cosgrove, Mackey-Steven, maybe even flood too would all start on our current team. Probably McKenna too but that more the fact I rate knoester. Add a sprinkle of Maddison and Christie, we had some good players. At the same time every main competitor , hearts hibs rangers, utd, all were poor and got relegated.

mcinnes got us credibility and we were a top 3 team again, delighted for that, but I still as I said, thought he underachieved and we should have won a trophy or two more. Then in the last three years I felt he showed that without as much talent and maybe stronger opponents, he was a very bang average and limited manager.

hearts don’t have a great squad, he’ll have to build, is that his strength? Does he have a solid core in place like he had with us? Will hearts have patience? And as said, will the transfer policy work for him. It will be his 4th spl team and he’ll be no surprise to anyone.

Edited Friday at 00:30 by OrlandoDon

[Reekie_Red]

Be interesting how manybof his trusted crew follow him. Will we see Hearts line up with Marley Watkins, Matty Kennedy, GAsh Taylor and Bruce Anderson? 

I have some fond memories of McInnes time at Aberdeen, but have to question whether these memories were just the afterglow of Craig Brown's guidance beforehand. 

[Panda]

I reckon if McInnes goes to Hearts, then Peter Leven may be on the shortlist at Rugby Park.

[OrlandoDon]

We didn’t replace the coach who came with JT in the summer who quit earlier in the season, did we? Any idea if he’s being replaced over summer.

[wee toon red]

McInnes really doesn’t handle potentially moving jobs well, does he? From the debacle around the Huns trying to get him from us and now Boyd basically touting him for another job while he sits there listening, it’s all a bit odd.

[wokinginashearerwonderland]

So much bitterness towards McInnes by some in our support. He deserves a lot more respect for what he did for us. We were so bad before he arrived and just as crap in the years since. We had a team full of proper men under McInnes, now we have a team full of spineless foreign shite.

Good luck to the bloke if he goes to Hearts. Best Dons manager in my lifetime by some considerable distance. 

[Panda]

12 minutes ago, wokinginashearerwonderland said:

We had a team full of proper men under McInnes, now we have a team full of spineless foreign shite.

 

Heads gone.

Sober up and try again tomorrow.

[RicoS321]

21 minutes ago, Panda said:

Heads gone.

Sober up and try again tomorrow.

We had Shinnie. 

[wokinginashearerwonderland]

53 minutes ago, Panda said:

Heads gone.

Sober up and try again tomorrow.

Which part do you disagree with out of interest? I reckon we could all name a dozen or more players McInnes had in his Dons teams who would comfortably walk into this current squad….and a dozen is probably a conservative estimate.

[Panda]

Just now, wokinginashearerwonderland said:

Which part do you disagree with out of interest? 

The bit I quoted.

Firstly, we took regular humpings off Rangers and Celtic under McInnes.

Secondly, "spineless foreign shite". Even ignoring your backwards xenophobia, I'm not sure that's usually how Scandinavians are perceived, and I wouldn't say Mitov, Tobers or Knoester fall into that category either.

[OrlandoDon]

3 hours ago, Panda said:

The bit I quoted.

Firstly, we took regular humpings off Rangers and Celtic under McInnes.

Secondly, "spineless foreign shite". Even ignoring your backwards xenophobia, I'm not sure that's usually how Scandinavians are perceived, and I wouldn't say Mitov, Tobers or Knoester fall into that category either.

Do we need to go there? Mcinnes had langfield McLean jack mckenna Anderson Robson reynolds considine shinnie pawlett Scott wright, even Connor McLennan, a large Scottish core, plus Logan Hayes mcginn, flood, long time SPL/aberdeen players.

we are a team full of foreigners now and have we gone forwards? Let’s not make an issue of the terminology but look at the facts as Aberdeen fans, we are a mix match team now and does that help us? Different but similar, Man utd going through the same issues, few home grown local born, home nation players, it’s the modern game I suppose. I’ve said it before, I’m concerned about us being a Scottish team with no Scottish identity. Would love a Scottish core, and some home grown local loons. I know it’s in the past, but I wish we had the coopers, Simpson’s, Hewitt etc. I don’t think that’s xenophobic. 

 

[Panda]

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

Do we need to go there? Mcinnes had langfield McLean jack mckenna Anderson Robson reynolds considine shinnie pawlett Scott wright, even Connor McLennan, a large Scottish core, plus Logan Hayes mcginn, flood, long time SPL/aberdeen players.

Their nationality was irrelevant. You've been pushing this "need more physical players" stuff for over a week now (bizarrely, after the St Mirren game which you said you hadn't watched.)

Are you trying to claim Niall McGinn and Peter Pawlett were physical players?

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

 

we are a team full of foreigners now and have we gone forwards?

We've gone forwards from last season, have we not?

We're season one into what is meant to be a three-season rebuild.

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

coopers, Simpson’s, Hewitt etc. I don’t think that’s xenophobic. 

 

That would be relevant had we ignored three Scottish players of the standard of Cooper, Simpson and Hewitt and signed foreigners instead. But that's not what has happened has it?

 

[OrlandoDon]

45 minutes ago, Panda said:

Their nationality was irrelevant. You've been pushing this "need more physical players" stuff for over a week now (bizarrely, after the St Mirren game which you said you hadn't watched.)

Are you trying to claim Niall McGinn and Peter Pawlett were physical players?

We've gone forwards from last season, have we not?

We're season one into what is meant to be a three-season rebuild.

That would be relevant had we ignored three Scottish players of the standard of Cooper, Simpson and Hewitt and signed foreigners instead. But that's not what has happened has it?

 

Absolutely been pushing more athletic/physical players, been saying it for a while. Just because I didn’t watch the st mirren game means nothing too, it’s glaringly obvious we’re soft, physically and mentally. I don’t understand the relevance of that comment on this discussion? The point was made about us being a team full of foreigners which we are becoming, I think that’s a fair comment. Are we losing our identity? Listing mcginn and pawlett had nothing to do with physicality. Yes mcginn isn’t Scottish, but he played for Celtic pre us and has been in Scotland almost all of his career. To all of us I’m sure he’s a don for life. We were a Scottish filled squad under Mcinnes, that was the point.

thelin is a very calm and composed guy, but that’s not Scottish football. And is he/are we bringing in too many nice calm guys, most/all are foreign too who probably know very little about Aberdeen and Scottish football? And that includes his management team. I hope he adds a passionate Scot to the back room staff, especially if leven goes. There are blood guts and passion here, and local knowledge has value. Are okkels molloy gueye dabbagh polvara ruby Vinny sokler and Ambrose improving our team? Even topi and morris are hit/miss. Are there Scottish or home grown players that could be equally good or better? We need Scottish players too, of course we’ll have foreigners but we need balance.
Trust me, I know it’s not easy to sign good Scottish players but I hope we are trying. Do you see us trying, are we linked to Scot’s these days?? Could allan Campbell have done a job for us more than polvara, sivert, or palaversa does? Other than nisbet, was devlin the last Scot we signed who has played decent first team minutes? I’ve also defended Jensen but is he deservedly keeping devlin out of the team? I know that’s a situation that bothers some as, and has been said, devlin to me and many was our player of the year pre injury. We’re a Scottish team and I want us to have Scottish in it, for the sake of our identity and the national team.

I don’t know if we’ve made progress, I probably think so. I know we are top 6 compared to bottom 6, but look at the way we finished last season under leven, versus how we play now. Today was poor, as was last week and we’re playing for something. These are big games. We’ve been pumped by Celtic. We have clear flaws. The start to the season was great, but we had a record breaking awful run too. I do think we’re in a better place mid overhaul, that’s not the debate, it’s the construction of the new squad that adds concern to some.

i agree, it’s year one of a rebuild and by no means am I daring to join the JT negative team. We don’t see it in Donstalk thankfully. Yet. I rate mitov tobers kneuster Clarkson palaversa, but we need Scottish blood who knows how important away to the Huns is, or what it means to play Dundee utd or hearts. I think that matters.

It just rubs me the wrong way when people add a topic such as race or nationality to an argument and appear offended, can we not just talk football. People love an offended argument these days. I referenced Hewitt, copper, and Simpson, and we haven’t signed foreigners that level, or over looked Scottish players that level. I just want to see Scot’s and locals in our team. I don’t think there was deep hatred to the comment made, just the fear and concern, that I share too, that we’re losing our identity and may not even have a Scot in our starting 11 next year. That’s a concern to me!

 

 

[Panda]

53 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Absolutely been pushing more athletic/physical players, been saying it for a while. Just because I didn’t watch the st mirren game means nothing too, it’s glaringly obvious we’re soft, physically and mentally. I don’t understand the relevance of that comment on this discussion?

Because I was replying to a comment that said we've signed "spineless foreign shite", and you entered the discussion listing Scottish players. So that's the relevance, unless you're changing the subject.

53 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

The point was made about us being a team full of foreigners which we are becoming, I think that’s a fair comment.

But we're not though, are we? 

We had seven UK & Irish based players involved today. We lost to a team who played only six. The champions will likely start the cup final with just two Scots in their team. Hibs, who will likely finish third, started only four Scots yesterday (one of which is an Australian international), they're hardly a team full of home-born players either.

53 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

 

thelin is a very calm and composed guy, but that’s not Scottish football. And is he/are we bringing in too many nice calm guys, most/all are foreign too who probably know very little about Aberdeen and Scottish football? And that includes his management team.

Six of our starting line-up today have played in Scotland before this season and should meet your 'knowledge of Scottish football' criteria. Three of the subs meet that too.

We're also not in July, we're in May. Thelin and his back room team know all about Rangers having played them four times.

53 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Are okkels molloy gueye dabbagh polvara ruby Vinny sokler and Ambrose improving our team? Even topi and morris are hit/miss. Are there Scottish or home grown players that could be equally good or better?

So what's your point here, that Scottish or UK signings would be better? You've just cherry picked some names that may not be good enough, in order to make what point? I could list UK and Irish players who aren't good enough either. 

53 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Could allan Campbell have done a job for us more than polvara, sivert, or palaversa does?

This is the guy you've been championing isn't it? That we absolutely had to sign?

Dundee United signed him, and he's been extremely poor. Here's the views of Dundee United fans...

 

53 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

 

It just rubs me the wrong way when people add a topic such as race or nationality to an argument and appear offended, can we not just talk football. People love an offended argument these days.

Sigh. No-one is offended. 

[Goldie03]

I know a fair few jambos and none of them are impressed about McInnes - I've told them I strongly believe the dons will be able to go to Tynecastle and win now if he takes the job haha 

[OrlandoDon]

26 minutes ago, Panda said:

Because I was replying to a comment that said we've signed "spineless foreign shite", and you entered the discussion listing Scottish players. So that's the relevance, unless you're changing the subject.

But we're not though, are we? 

We had seven UK & Irish based players involved today. We lost to a team who played only six. The champions will likely start the cup final with just two Scots in their team. Hibs, who will likely finish third, started only four Scots yesterday (one of which is an Australian international), they're hardly a team full of home-born players either.

Six of our starting line-up today have played in Scotland before this season and should meet your 'knowledge of Scottish football' criteria. Three of the subs meet that too.

We're also not in July, we're in May. Thelin and his back room team know all about Rangers having played them four times.

So what's your point here, that Scottish or UK signings would be better? You've just cherry picked some names that may not be good enough, in order to make what point? I could list UK and Irish players who aren't good enough either. 

This is the guy you've been championing isn't it? That we absolutely had to sign?

Dundee United signed him, and he's been extremely poor. Here's the views of Dundee United fans...

 

Sigh. No-one is offended. 

You’re losing me here. You’re the one who brought up the xenophobia comment and went there which took the convo in that direction.

we are a team full of foreigners, that’s a fact. Whether new this year or past, each year were getting less Scottish. I don’t give two shits about other teams in our league in one sense, I care about the make up of the dons. At the same time, I really fear for the national team and the lack of Scot’s coming through.

Youve moved on from the physical comment which didn’t belong in this convo to now bringing up uk/Irish players. All foreigners if they aren’t Scottish. And of course some know Scotland, but to the fullest extent maybe not, versus a journeyman on one stop of his travels. We need a few more shinnie mentalities. And in my opinion, a few more Scot’s. Nobody is saying we can’t sign foreigners, it’s not a ban the non Scot’s argument. There’s a balance which really helps the team, and I wants Scot’s coming through.

The point was that mcinnes had a strong core of Scot’s who had more spine, and I agree there. we dont have that now. I backed that up saying i had concern about the make up of a team with few Scots. That’s it.

allan Campbell was just an example. I’d take Declan Gallagher or David bates even though they didn’t work out, we tried. Campbell was good at Motherwell, could he have been good here, maybe, but I’d prefer we try him over an unknown. Palaversa is an exception, his background suggests there could be a player there, but every player we are signing now is foreign. Can we gamble on a Scot versus an Ambrose? Easy to say now but could would should we have signed Simon Murray instead of Ambrose or sokler. Was happy we signed nisbet for this reason, not particularly glamorous at the time and rather underwhelming, but at least a known and Scottish, with a decent background. Can we give jack milne, devlin, fletcher boyd more minutes or will they be phased out?

i replied because of your xenophobia comment. Unnecessary. It’s concerning the make up of the squad, especially when it’s work in progress and flawed, but the lack of signing Scot’s and apparent interest in Scot’s (which could easily be hidden and kept out of the media) isn’t good. Surprised if this doesn’t concern all Dons and Scotland fans to some extent.

[OxfordDon]

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

Are okkels molloy gueye dabbagh polvara ruby Vinny sokler and Ambrose improving our team?

No yes no maybe yes yes (but only if he can keep his head) maybe maybe and no

[RicoS321]

11 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

i replied because of your xenophobia comment. Unnecessary.

He replied to a comment that said "spineless foreign shite". That's the very definition of xenophobia. It's perfectly acceptable to call it out (even though I'm sure the OP didn't mean anything by it). There's equally as much spineless Scottish shite passed through our books this century as a percentage, and there's nothing specific about Scottish players that makes them likely to understand Scottish football, or care more, or whatever. Hence why the league champions have consistently got a majority foreign representation. 

The opposing debate existed when McInnes was here. We never signed enough foreigners. You're right though, there should be a happy medium, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Scottish football team (or its fans) wanting to be majority Scottish and being rooted in Scottishness. I don't think anyone has argued otherwise (personally, I'd be all for the three foreigners rule to return). It's completely possible to want a Scottish identity without claiming that there's something unique about that Scottishness, that foreigners simply can't comprehend or aspire to because of their foreignness. 

 

[Panda]

15 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

You’re losing me here. You’re the one who brought up the xenophobia comment and went there which took the convo in that direction.

Can you read the previous messages before replying to them, so I don't have to begin every reply by repeating myself.

The comment I replied to was We had a team full of proper men under McInnes, now we have a team full of spineless foreign shite. 

It wasn't me who brought up physical players or foreign players. And yes, it is backdoor xenophobia. I don't know why you're so upset about it since the comment wasn't even in reply to you.

15 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

we are a team full of foreigners, that’s a fact.

No, it's an opinion of yours, it's not a fact.

15 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Youve moved on from the physical comment which didn’t belong in this convo to now bringing up uk/Irish players. All foreigners if they aren’t Scottish. And of course some know Scotland, but to the fullest extent maybe not, versus a journeyman on one stop of his travels. We need a few more shinnie mentalities. And in my opinion, a few more Scot’s. Nobody is saying we can’t sign foreigners, it’s not a ban the non Scot’s argument. There’s a balance which really helps the team, and I wants Scot’s coming through.

With respect, that's just a jumble of words making little sense.

You keep saying Scottish players, then UK and Irish players, to "players that know the league.

I don't even know where you stand or what your point even is.

15 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Easy to say now but could would should we have signed Simon Murray instead of Ambrose or sokler.

It's very clear it's part of our trading model. We're trying to find the next Miovski.

Simon Murray isn't going to be sold for £6m to anyone. There was more chance - on paper at least - of Sokler or Duk or Gueye being sold for big money in future.

15 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

[OrlandoDon]

8 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

He replied to a comment that said "spineless foreign shite". That's the very definition of xenophobia. It's perfectly acceptable to call it out (even though I'm sure the OP didn't mean anything by it). There's equally as much spineless Scottish shite passed through our books this century as a percentage, and there's nothing specific about Scottish players that makes them likely to understand Scottish football, or care more, or whatever. Hence why the league champions have consistently got a majority foreign representation. 

The opposing debate existed when McInnes was here. We never signed enough foreigners. You're right though, there should be a happy medium, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Scottish football team (or its fans) wanting to be majority Scottish and being rooted in Scottishness. I don't think anyone has argued otherwise (personally, I'd be all for the three foreigners rule to return). It's completely possible to want a Scottish identity without claiming that there's something unique about that Scottishness, that foreigners simply can't comprehend or aspire to because of their foreignness. 

 

I assumed it wasn’t intended in a xenophobic way, just frustration of the players playing for us playing shite and bring foreign. I don’t see people as guilty until proven innocent, and didn’t immediately assume hatred was intended. 
everything is political, pc, and dei police jump in, I just want to talk footie and love a good debate.

[OrlandoDon]

11 minutes ago, Panda said:

Can you read the previous messages before replying to them, so I don't have to begin every reply by repeating myself.

The comment I replied to was We had a team full of proper men under McInnes, now we have a team full of spineless foreign shite. 

It wasn't me who brought up physical players or foreign players. And yes, it is backdoor xenophobia. I don't know why you're so upset about it since the comment wasn't even in reply to you.

No, it's an opinion of yours, it's not a fact.

With respect, that's just a jumble of words making little sense.

You keep saying Scottish players, then UK and Irish players, to "players that know the league.

I don't even know where you stand or what your point even is.

It's very clear it's part of our trading model. We're trying to find the next Miovski.

Simon Murray isn't going to be sold for £6m to anyone. There was more chance - on paper at least - of Sokler or Duk or Gueye being sold for big money in future.

Wasting my time, you’re all over the place. We are a team of foreigners, or are you taking me literally? 2 scots started today, so you are correct, we are a team of ‘mostly’ foreigners.
For every miovski there’s also a place for a Murray. We can’t hit endless home runs. Devlin was a good signing and won’t be sold for millions. We simply need balance, and I think that’s obvious. 

[Panda]

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

Wasting my time, you’re all over the place.

No, I'm not. I've been consistent with what I've said actually.

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

We are a team of foreigners, or are you taking me literally? 2 scots started today, so you are correct, we are a team of ‘mostly’ foreigners.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.

You were championing McInnes for having a UK and Irish core. Going by that, we started five players of that ilk at Ibrox (and it's usually six if Nisbet plays, and seven had Dorrington been fit),

But because that didn't suit, now it's only Scottish players you say.

In 16-17 under McInnes (his best season probably) we often played just four Scots. (Considine, Reynolds, Jack, Shinnie). McLean or Christie sometimes made it five. Even then, that's a team of mostly non-Scots, no?

In his final season, our most used eleven players were Lewis, Logan, Taylor, Hoban, Considine, McCrorie, Ferguson, Hedges, McGinn, Hayes, Cosgrove (then Kamberi). That's just three Scots. 

We already tried for Lyall Cameron. But the reason why we haven't signed another Scott McKenna or Lewis Ferguson is probably because they're not standing out anywhere. Jack Milne, Fletcher Boyd and maybe even Finlay Marshall are maybe the next McKenna or Ferguson. 

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

 

For every miovski there’s also a place for a Murray. We can’t hit endless home runs. Devlin was a good signing and won’t be sold for millions. We simply need balance, and I think that’s obvious. 

Well that's my whole frigging point. Thelin had tried to have a balance. We have Scottish guys and foreigners, physical and creative, the experienced guys and the young players. 

As for Simon Murray, not a single poster on this forum (and I have just checked) suggested we sign him last summer. Now he's on a three-year contract so we'd need to pay a transfer fee to sign a 33-year-old.

[OrlandoDon]

50 minutes ago, Panda said:

No, I'm not. I've been consistent with what I've said actually.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.

You were championing McInnes for having a UK and Irish core. Going by that, we started five players of that ilk at Ibrox (and it's usually six if Nisbet plays, and seven had Dorrington been fit),

But because that didn't suit, now it's only Scottish players you say.

In 16-17 under McInnes (his best season probably) we often played just four Scots. (Considine, Reynolds, Jack, Shinnie). McLean or Christie sometimes made it five. Even then, that's a team of mostly non-Scots, no?

In his final season, our most used eleven players were Lewis, Logan, Taylor, Hoban, Considine, McCrorie, Ferguson, Hedges, McGinn, Hayes, Cosgrove (then Kamberi). That's just three Scots. 

We already tried for Lyall Cameron. But the reason why we haven't signed another Scott McKenna or Lewis Ferguson is probably because they're not standing out anywhere. Jack Milne, Fletcher Boyd and maybe even Finlay Marshall are maybe the next McKenna or Ferguson. 

Well that's my whole frigging point. Thelin had tried to have a balance. We have Scottish guys and foreigners, physical and creative, the experienced guys and the young players. 

As for Simon Murray, not a single poster on this forum (and I have just checked) suggested we sign him last summer. Now he's on a three-year contract so we'd need to pay a transfer fee to sign a 33-year-old.

Good grief man, reread if you feel the need. I was not championing Mcinnes for have a UK and Irish core, I listed the Scots he had in his squad compared to today because of the team of foreigners comment, but did also name three non Scot’s who pretty much played their entire careers in the SPL and with us. I then commented about man utd and how modern football is having the same issue with local players/players from their own country.
For season 16-17 we had jack shinnie McLean considine and reynolds regularly in our starting 11, pretty much half the team. That would be fantastic if we could go back to that, Scottish core including local boys. Clutching at straws but that’s what I want and what I’ve already said, the ideal, Scottish internationalists and locals.

not asking for us to buy Simon Murray. My point is that maybe we can do a better job scouting and buying Scot’s than looking abroad. As I said, easy to say now but we’d all take Murray before Ambrose and prob sokler. I know we tried to get Cameron, could we have got miller a year or two ago. Killie have a young boy plus wales just went south. Hard to know how hard we try to sign the best of the rest.

not changing my stance or story, simply repeating myself which is probably boring.

[OrlandoDon]

It wouldn’t let me edit. Look at the league cup win back in 2014, langfield pawlett Robson jack anderson considine and reynolds all started regularly. The point was Mcinnes had a strong Scottish core. We need that Scottish core again. That’s simply my point! Times are changing for sure, but we need to try harder domestically for talent.