Dunfermline v The Scottish Cup holders

[Kowalski]

We are a complete shambles from top to bottom and it’s so sad to see. We need a manger in ASAP. 
 

On a brighter note I managed to avoid the Smiths tribute act in Drummonds. 

[dons8321]

1 hour ago, swaddon said:

Most of them have been brought in from abroad to be "developed" and sold on for a profit. Most of them probably hadn't heard of Aberdeen before we signed them.

It doesn't matter to them. They still get paid.

 And they'll all say when they're featured in the match day programme "As soon as I heard Aberdeen were interested it was a no-brainer" meaning they'll pay me shed loads of dosh and I really don't have to give a fuck.

[RicoS321]

Easy to get there, nice ground in a good location, and easy to get home from. Shame about the fitba.

[Mentorred]

40 minutes ago, Dunfermline Don said:

As I was in the home end I didn’t get any loyalty points today.

But I now have a semi final to look forward to with my Pars supporting sons.

Last May seems a long long time ago now!

Did you have an Aberdeen flag? Thought I saw one on red tv at the end in the pars end,

Edited Saturday at 23:45 by Mentorred

[Jute]

I don’t know where to begin with that. Team was reasonably close to one I woukd have picked with only Milanovic being one I would not have started and boy was he shite.Was wrong about Frames lack of defensive ability not causing us issues it did. Felt we were complete ineffective in middle of park. Cameron was particularly bad. I actually think we have got worse since sacking Thelin. 
 

[redordead]

Watching highlights. First goal, both players off when the cross comes in but defender heads it and it drops to the scorer. If they're not interfering he didn't have to head it. Offside is a fucking joke these days

[Panda]

I only got there are half-time because I was working at the rugby. Met my mates, stayed for half an hour, and we decided to leave with 15 minutes to go. Value for money, would do it again.

Even in that little time, I saw too much. Every throw in, we threw it back the way towards the centre halves so they could improve their passing stats. 

Every pass in the final third had to go wide to Keskinen, who Dunfermline just closed down. Too easy.

Have no idea why people (more than one) on this board think Tony Docherty  should be interim manager. Go look at his appalling spell at Ross County.

What we need is a permanent manager. Preferably a good one. 

Edited yesterday at 00:18 by Panda

[Brochred]

22 minutes ago, Panda said:

I only got there are half-time because I was working at the rugby. Met my mates, stayed for half an hour, and we decided to leave with 15 minutes to go. Value for money, would do it again.

Even in that little time, I saw too much. Every throw in, we threw it back the way towards the centre halves so they could improve their passing stats. 

Every pass in the final third had to go wide to Keskinen, who Dunfermline just closed down. Too easy.

Have no idea why people (more than one) on this board think Tony Docherty  should be interim manager. Go look at his appalling spell at Ross County.

What we need is a permanent manager. Preferably a good one. 

Yes as much as I have a lot of time for Tony Doc, he's not someone who, given the goals against for Dundee and Ross Co, is the person the car crash we are at the moment

[OrlandoDon]

I’m only saying tony doc because I think he’s a better option than leven. Maybe gets us one or two more wins but that matters. Don’t see us getting a legit manager until summer so it’s our best option.

[Donofanewera]

The club is a mess, what are the CEO & DOF doing. If we end up 10th in the league it will be a bonus at this rate.

[Bukta Bertie]

Okay. Having calmed down and slept on it this is where I'm at. 

I was being an over positive fool to expect us to win easily last night and for us to finish sixth or seventh.

I now see finishing in a play off place is possible though I still view it as unlikely. I do worry that we lack the players who can roll up their sleeves and get stuck in if it comes to a battle but ultimately I think we'll stay up but it isn't a cast iron certainty and it's as much about other teams being worse than us than us being a good side. 

Do I still want a head on a platter? Yes I'm afraid I do. Leven has to go ASAP. If he has any sense of honour he'll resign but the way contacts work and the fact he's a Hun make that highly unlikely. Docherty would then take over his role. Not ideal but it's the best option available. I don't want us to be rushed into appointing any old manager just because he's available. Horneland or Schwarz would be mental to take the job on and I'm now highly doubtful if they'll still be interested. Put yourselves in their shoes. Would you really want to take over at a club that's the top to bottom basket case Aberdeen are just now? I suspect it's now far more likely it'll be a Scot taking over as manager. 

Yesterday again we played some good football but it was only for about ten minutes. That's no use to man nor beast. Our players are far too soft, lazy and they just don't appear overly fussed about losing despite the performative sad and upset faces at the end. Having players with that mindset and allowing them to continue playing for our great club indicates to me there are serious problems that start from higher up than coaching level.

Where's their personal pride if nothing else? 

Lutz can bugger off. Ideally Cormack would go too. It stands to reason the likes of Garner, Burrows and the rest of those types should go as well if that unlikely scenario were to pass. It's a totally new start we need. A "reset" the millennials would call it. New broom sweeps clean.

Players I'd be fussed about leaving are few although I believe several of them could definitely perform well under the proper management but they'd need to sort out their mentality. 

I really have little enthusiasm left for the remaining games. The life has been sucked out of me by last nights disgrace (I rate it alongside Darvel as a humiliation) but I'm sure by the time the Falkirk game comes around last night will have been put behind us, it'll be business as usual and we'll all be up for it raring to go again.

We're fans it's what we do. 

 

[RicoS321]

We're now at the panic button stage. We could end up with any manager. Very harsh on Leven if he gets sacked from a caretaker role. He's not meant to be the guy that runs the first team, he's a coach.

Anyway, last night stems from not understanding midfielders, again. Just as did with Goodwin, Robson and Thelin. We effectively lined up with a 4-1-4-1. Shinnie is not, and has never been, a player that sits in front of the defence (the same error that Goodwin made with Ramadani). He doesn't play the side to side well, and he ends up being late to everything and just looking old and slow, whilst getting absolutely knackered. It was very clear in the 15 minutes he played against the Tims that he struggles there if Leven required a fucking reminder. Secondly, in Scottish fitba, you have to be very good to play two "creative" midfielders against anyone. We're not close to being good enough. It's Cameron or Armstrong, not and. Nilsen and Shinnie with one ahead of them is how we should be approaching every game, regardless of the opponent, based on the options we've got. Switching out one for Geiger as and when required for fitness or suspension. I genuinely don't think that Leven recognises that midfielders come in different forms with different specialisations. He sorted it in the second for a bit, but after the game was gone. 

Milanovic is dogshite, but I understood the reason he started. Olusanya can't play as a winger. Bilalovic was a disgrace against the Tims. However, if you are playing Milanovic, you can't play Lobban, it has to be Jensen. Especially with Frame on the other side and a tired looking Milne. 

Anyway, the players were terrible, but they were set up to fail. 

[Bukta Bertie]

5 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

We're now at the panic button stage. We could end up with any manager. Very harsh on Leven if he gets sacked from a caretaker role. He's not meant to be the guy that runs the first team, he's a coach.

Anyway, last night stems from not understanding midfielders, again. Just as did with Goodwin, Robson and Thelin. We effectively lined up with a 4-1-4-1. Shinnie is not, and has never been, a player that sits in front of the defence (the same error that Goodwin made with Ramadani). He doesn't play the side to side well, and he ends up being late to everything and just looking old and slow, whilst getting absolutely knackered. It was very clear in the 15 minutes he played against the Tims that he struggles there if Leven required a fucking reminder. Secondly, in Scottish fitba, you have to be very good to play two "creative" midfielders against anyone. We're not close to being good enough. It's Cameron or Armstrong, not and. Nilsen and Shinnie with one ahead of them is how we should be approaching every game, regardless of the opponent, based on the options we've got. Switching out one for Geiger as and when required for fitness or suspension. I genuinely don't think that Leven recognises that midfielders come in different forms with different specialisations. He sorted it in the second for a bit, but after the game was gone. 

Milanovic is dogshite, but I understood the reason he started. Olusanya can't play as a winger. Bilalovic was a disgrace against the Tims. However, if you are playing Milanovic, you can't play Lobban, it has to be Jensen. Especially with Frame on the other side and a tired looking Milne. 

Anyway, the players were terrible, but they were set up to fail. 

Leven is a Hun and a shit Hun at that. Get him sacked. Should of been booted out of the club long ago. 

Docherty can step up into interim-managers role until a full time appointment is made at the end of the season. 

 

Edited yesterday at 11:10 by Bukta Bertie
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[RicoS321]

Just now, Bukta Bertie said:

Leven is a Hun and a shit Hun at that. Get him sacked. Should of been booted out of the club long ago. 

Docherty can step up unto interim-managers role until a full time appointment is made at the end of the season. 

 

If you don't think Docherty had a hand in that lineup yesterday, then I think you're being kind to him. 

[Bukta Bertie]

11 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

If you don't think Docherty had a hand in that lineup yesterday, then I think you're being kind to him. 

A hand yes but ultimately it was Leven's team.

We were completely humiliated last night and the denizens of Aberdeen demand a head on a spike and his it must be. 

[OrlandoDon]

17 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

We're now at the panic button stage. We could end up with any manager. Very harsh on Leven if he gets sacked from a caretaker role. He's not meant to be the guy that runs the first team, he's a coach.

Anyway, last night stems from not understanding midfielders, again. Just as did with Goodwin, Robson and Thelin. We effectively lined up with a 4-1-4-1. Shinnie is not, and has never been, a player that sits in front of the defence (the same error that Goodwin made with Ramadani). He doesn't play the side to side well, and he ends up being late to everything and just looking old and slow, whilst getting absolutely knackered. It was very clear in the 15 minutes he played against the Tims that he struggles there if Leven required a fucking reminder. Secondly, in Scottish fitba, you have to be very good to play two "creative" midfielders against anyone. We're not close to being good enough. It's Cameron or Armstrong, not and. Nilsen and Shinnie with one ahead of them is how we should be approaching every game, regardless of the opponent, based on the options we've got. Switching out one for Geiger as and when required for fitness or suspension. I genuinely don't think that Leven recognises that midfielders come in different forms with different specialisations. He sorted it in the second for a bit, but after the game was gone. 

Milanovic is dogshite, but I understood the reason he started. Olusanya can't play as a winger. Bilalovic was a disgrace against the Tims. However, if you are playing Milanovic, you can't play Lobban, it has to be Jensen. Especially with Frame on the other side and a tired looking Milne. 

Anyway, the players were terrible, but they were set up to fail. 

Lineup was awful yesterday. Not only center midfield, but midfield in general was powderpuff, but a back 4 of three young guys and a guy just in the door. Easy to say it now, but I’d probably have kept sivert at the back in a back 3, and afeez in midfield, even though we’ve seen very little from him. Said it pregame, expecting Armstrong to do heavy lifting is criminal. 
we didn’t start too badly and the first goal def against the run of play. But at that point we needed to pull the socks up and dig in. That lineup clearly didn’t have the drive, muscle, or experience to do that. 

[OrlandoDon]

24 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

We're now at the panic button stage. We could end up with any manager. Very harsh on Leven if he gets sacked from a caretaker role. He's not meant to be the guy that runs the first team, he's a coach.

Anyway, last night stems from not understanding midfielders, again. Just as did with Goodwin, Robson and Thelin. We effectively lined up with a 4-1-4-1. Shinnie is not, and has never been, a player that sits in front of the defence (the same error that Goodwin made with Ramadani). He doesn't play the side to side well, and he ends up being late to everything and just looking old and slow, whilst getting absolutely knackered. It was very clear in the 15 minutes he played against the Tims that he struggles there if Leven required a fucking reminder. Secondly, in Scottish fitba, you have to be very good to play two "creative" midfielders against anyone. We're not close to being good enough. It's Cameron or Armstrong, not and. Nilsen and Shinnie with one ahead of them is how we should be approaching every game, regardless of the opponent, based on the options we've got. Switching out one for Geiger as and when required for fitness or suspension. I genuinely don't think that Leven recognises that midfielders come in different forms with different specialisations. He sorted it in the second for a bit, but after the game was gone. 

Milanovic is dogshite, but I understood the reason he started. Olusanya can't play as a winger. Bilalovic was a disgrace against the Tims. However, if you are playing Milanovic, you can't play Lobban, it has to be Jensen. Especially with Frame on the other side and a tired looking Milne. 

Anyway, the players were terrible, but they were set up to fail. 

Not just understanding the midfielders. But understanding the occasion. Cup game away to a lower league team and he came in with a powder puff technical midfield and youth. I couldnt tell but I think it was damp and a heavy pitch? Another reason you don’t really go with flair. You could throw in the fact it was a Neil Lennon team too but I don’t think he outcoached leven, the damage was all leven’s own doing.

[Bukta Bertie]

2 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Not just understanding the midfielders. But understanding the occasion. Cup game away to a lower league team and he came in with a powder puff technical midfield and youth. I couldnt tell but I think it was damp and a heavy pitch? Another reason you don’t really go with flair. You could throw in the fact it was a Neil Lennon team too but I don’t think he outcoached leven, the damage was all leven’s own doing.

Absolutely nothing to do with the defeat as it's the same for both teams but that surface was bloody abysmal. 

[irnbru1903]

As much as I don't want his head on a spike after yesterdays humiliating performance I still think Leven needs to go sooner rather than later just to change the mindset of the players and get them doing something a bit different (giving a fuck). Leven has obviously lost the dressing room as they are not performing for him and let's be honest as a coach he isn't up to much. The players can't pass, can't defend, can't score a goal, can't cross a ball and the list goes on. Surely a coach would be working on these issues. 

We are in real danger of dropping down to the play off place unless something changes. I would much rather it was a new manager coming in but we have royally fucked that one up. Just give Dave a shot he might be able to bribe some of the players into actually trying with hefty win bonus's. At this stage I don't care how we get safe as long as we do.

[OrlandoDon]

Just now, Bukta Bertie said:

Absolutely nothing to do with the defeat as it's the same for both teams but that surface was bloody abysmal. 

It’s the same for both teams but my point was that we didn’t pick a team that suited the conditions/surface/environment/occasion.

maybe second half we went more direct as a result of the conditions, but it wasn’t really going direct with any sort of tactic or purpose. We played hit and hope for about the last 30 mins and created little or nothing. There was no coaching or game plan, other than throw on a second forward and hope, then throw on a third forward and hope some more.

as someone who has coached for 30 years, I always look for coaches influence and in game adjustments. Coaches can win games. See nothing from leven to suggest he’s got a creative mind, even a basic understanding. He’s doing more damage than Jimmy, who was bad enough.

[Bukta Bertie]

Yes I get your point and agree with it but I was just emphasisjng how bad the pitch was.

Bobbly as f*ck. 

[The.Moog]

2 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

We're now at the panic button stage. We could end up with any manager. Very harsh on Leven if he gets sacked from a caretaker role. He's not meant to be the guy that runs the first team, he's a coach.

Anyway, last night stems from not understanding midfielders, again. Just as did with Goodwin, Robson and Thelin. We effectively lined up with a 4-1-4-1. Shinnie is not, and has never been, a player that sits in front of the defence (the same error that Goodwin made with Ramadani). He doesn't play the side to side well, and he ends up being late to everything and just looking old and slow, whilst getting absolutely knackered. It was very clear in the 15 minutes he played against the Tims that he struggles there if Leven required a fucking reminder. Secondly, in Scottish fitba, you have to be very good to play two "creative" midfielders against anyone. We're not close to being good enough. It's Cameron or Armstrong, not and. Nilsen and Shinnie with one ahead of them is how we should be approaching every game, regardless of the opponent, based on the options we've got. Switching out one for Geiger as and when required for fitness or suspension. I genuinely don't think that Leven recognises that midfielders come in different forms with different specialisations. He sorted it in the second for a bit, but after the game was gone. 

Milanovic is dogshite, but I understood the reason he started. Olusanya can't play as a winger. Bilalovic was a disgrace against the Tims. However, if you are playing Milanovic, you can't play Lobban, it has to be Jensen. Especially with Frame on the other side and a tired looking Milne. 

Anyway, the players were terrible, but they were set up to fail. 

You say on one hand, that it would be harsh on Leven to be sacked for that, then (correctly) call out a lot of basic fundamental errors he made last night - midfield setup etc.

Apart from the fact the club should have standards by which that type of result is unacceptable and has consequences (we don’t, but we should) it just underlines why he should be removed. He doesn’t know what he’s doing, and when his flawed game plan doesn’t work, he’s got no idea how to adjust and change it (neither did Thelin tbf, but he’s gone).

None of our basic failings as a football team have been improved by him and his coaching either - not one, that’s another reason.

Yes, Doc and the other new boy have an input (we assume) but Leven is in charge just now and the buck stops there.

Something needs to happen, and if its not the new manager being appointed this week, it should be Leven heading out the door…

Edited yesterday at 13:25 by The.Moog

[OrlandoDon]

5 minutes ago, The.Moog said:

You say on one hand, that it would be harsh on Leven to be sacked for that, then (correctly) call out a lot of basic fundamental errors he made last night - midfield setup etc.

Apart from the fact the club should have standards by which that type of result is unacceptable and has consequences (we don’t, but we should) it just underlines why he should be removed. He doesn’t know what he’s doing.

None of our basic failings as a football team have been improved by him and his coaching either - not one, that’s another reason.

Yes, Doc and the other new boy have an input (we assume) but Leven is in charge just now and the buck stops there.

Something needs to happen, and if its not the new manager being appointed this week, it should be Leven heading out the door…

It’s very clear we are heading in the wrong direction on the pitch. How do you change that? You either change the players, the manager, or both. We dont have a window, could sign free agents but that won’t happen, so change the coaching staff. We’ve added doc and the other boy, and it hasn’t got better. What’s the constant in the coaching staff since jimmy left, leven. It’s not working and doing nothing suggests nothing changes, and we do get sucked further down the league.

Leven also seems to have a very limited personality. Doesn’t seem to have the fire or the motivation to get a team going. i do think doc has the personality to bring that new manager bounce despite already being here, and that’s worth a win or two that makes a difference.

Edited yesterday at 13:29 by OrlandoDon

[Panda]

13 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Don’t see us getting a legit manager until summer 

But when did this become a thing, that you can only appoint the right manager in summer?

Dundee United could sack Jim Goodwin on Monday and have a new man in place by the end of the week.

We need to get our fucking act together. We are playing like a team that doesn't have a manager, and have been doing so for over two months now. I was happy for the club to take their time to get the right man, but this is taking the piss. And no, the "unforeseen circumstances" around Horneland situation doesn't excuse it.

[Bukta Bertie]

Hearing the Aberdeen Ultras attacked their locals counterparts around suppertime. Sounds as if it was quite bad.

Surprised there wasn't scrapping in the away end with Dons fans being annoyed they couldn't see the goalmouth for those big flags the Ultras were waving for the first ten minutes or so.

Imagine paying a fair bit for your ticket and all you can see is a big flag flapping about. You wouldn't be happy.