BigAl Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Firstly no intention to wind up Rico ( but it is a bonus) by starting this more than forty eight hours ahead of January window closing BUT as a squad we are all over the fucking place and even at this early stage I would imagine we all would have opinions on what need to happen over the summer. Appreciate that certain things might be addressed in the remaining forty eight odd hours of the winter one BUT given our performance to date, coupled to us being manager less, I wouldn't stake any money on it Thoughts lads and lassies Quote
swaddon Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 I can't see many good players wanting to drop down to the Championship to play for us next season. 1 Quote
OrlandoDon Posted Sunday at 14:05 Report Posted Sunday at 14:05 (edited) Where do we start? mitov is good keeper with a solid/good defense ahead of him. I think it will be hard on any keeper to excel with shite infront. I’d stick with the keepers we have for the sake of not overhauling so much. He’s not been great but worth keeping for now. right back is fine, lobban with devlin as back up. Left back frame and a signing, gyamfi just doesn’t look like an athlete or good enough. central defense, I’d sign McIntyre, keep Milne and kneuster, and a marquee £££ central defender needed bought. Molloy back up for LB and CB. weve got to spend in midfield. Need proper right and left wingers, topi is back up. Bilalovic too who could come good. Punt milanovic. center mid, much like central defense, need a legit signing. I’d keep Geiger, give him a preseason and I think he’s our cammy devlin. You have shinnie and Kjarten to give competition in there. Afeez too although yet to see anything to suggest he can play. Sign Cameron or a legit 10, and him, Armstrong, and Marshall compete for that position. up top I think we need a legit 9, plus nisbet to compete for the starting job. Lazetic too although he’s done little to suggest he’s a long term player for us. we have few players who we have to keep but I just don’t think a total overhaul helps us, again. We have to retain some to build around, it can’t be another 10 plus signings. Quality over quantity this summer which is very difficult. I also think we have a good few followers who have the ability to perform with new quality leaders around them. 6 signings essential/starting quality needed - central defender, right wing, left wing, center mid, 10, and 9. That’s a really hard ask, most likely impossible, but a much needed 6 to build around if we want to be a top 6 team. Edited Sunday at 14:10 by OrlandoDon 1 Quote
RicoS321 Posted Sunday at 14:42 Report Posted Sunday at 14:42 I think it would be a big risk to keep Geiger on existing showings. I think we could do a lot better. Motherwell have about 4 better midfielders than him already! I'm not writing him off, because there is the possibility that he's just getting up to speed, but it looks to me like he's just not quite good enough in several areas. Players like that can be quite deceptive, I usually describe them as Milsom types, they look good because they have good balance, a nice touch etc, but they just turn out to be nothing players. However, if he can work on his athleticism, the average parts could turn into real attributes, if he's first to second balls and does the coverage and work required of a top midfielder. I think he has to do it this season though, or else we'll end up making the Palaversa error with him. 1 1 Quote
OrlandoDon Posted Sunday at 14:53 Report Posted Sunday at 14:53 7 minutes ago, RicoS321 said: I think it would be a big risk to keep Geiger on existing showings. I think we could do a lot better. Motherwell have about 4 better midfielders than him already! I'm not writing him off, because there is the possibility that he's just getting up to speed, but it looks to me like he's just not quite good enough in several areas. Players like that can be quite deceptive, I usually describe them as Milsom types, they look good because they have good balance, a nice touch etc, but they just turn out to be nothing players. However, if he can work on his athleticism, the average parts could turn into real attributes, if he's first to second balls and does the coverage and work required of a top midfielder. I think he has to do it this season though, or else we'll end up making the Palaversa error with him. Maybe, I’m just trying to build on some players rather than a total overhaul. Plus he’s been thrown in at the deep end, unfit, lack of match practice, with a managerless team with no confidence. He’s played 100 plus games in a good league, I think there’s something there. 2 1 Quote
RicoS321 Posted Sunday at 15:27 Report Posted Sunday at 15:27 32 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said: Maybe, I’m just trying to build on some players rather than a total overhaul. Plus he’s been thrown in at the deep end, unfit, lack of match practice, with a managerless team with no confidence. He’s played 100 plus games in a good league, I think there’s something there. Agreed, we'll see where he is at the end of the season. It's almost always a case of better the devil you know, which is why managers tend to stick with known quantities, and I don't blame them. Imagine we'd kept McGrath for example? Shinnie has to be worth a new deal on those grounds alone. If Cameron does anything between now and the end of the season then he would also be worth a punt (at present, I'd not break the bank for him, he flatters to deceive a bit despite a lot of effort). 1 Quote
TheDonbytheDee Posted Sunday at 15:39 Report Posted Sunday at 15:39 I'd not be keeping Cameron. I don't think he has really added much to us since our arrival. We need to upgrade so many areas, that it isn't happening in the summer. We just have to hope that our new manager can turnaround the fortunes of what we do have and our recruitment can pull a couple of gems up from somewhere. Hopefully the lad Marshall signs up and kicks on 1 Quote
OrlandoDon Posted Sunday at 15:43 Report Posted Sunday at 15:43 2 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said: I'd not be keeping Cameron. I don't think he has really added much to us since our arrival. We need to upgrade so many areas, that it isn't happening in the summer. We just have to hope that our new manager can turnaround the fortunes of what we do have and our recruitment can pull a couple of gems up from somewhere. Hopefully the lad Marshall signs up and kicks on I think he’s been good from what I have seen. Obviously hasn’t scored but is the 10 we’ve needed for a long time, creative, wants on the ball, set pieces etc. But like Geiger, not match sharp/fit, coming into a shit team with zero confidence, a team with more turnover in January, plus he played ahead of two center mids who for the most part have been and are poor. If we can pick both him and Geiger up for a good price I’d add them both. Quote
Bukta Bertie Posted Sunday at 17:05 Report Posted Sunday at 17:05 1 hour ago, TheDonbytheDee said: I'd not be keeping Cameron. I don't think he has really added much to us since our arrival. We need to upgrade so many areas, that it isn't happening in the summer. We just have to hope that our new manager can turnaround the fortunes of what we do have and our recruitment can pull a couple of gems up from somewhere. Hopefully the lad Marshall signs up and kicks on We dont agree on much but we can shake hands on this. Cameron is not the messiah some seem to think he is, probably out of desperation, but he isn't and I'm not just saying that because he's on loan from the Huns. He's powder puff. Only marginally better than that Leighton Clarkson. Quote
Elgindon Posted Sunday at 19:49 Report Posted Sunday at 19:49 I like Cameron I have to say,I think he looks less effective than he could be,because of the disjointed mess around him.A cheeky £250k would be worth a try Quote
tlg1903 Posted 11 hours ago Report Posted 11 hours ago I've admired Camerons work rate and general attitude but yet to see anything from him that's made me think "we need to keep this guy". Not been overly impressed by Geiger though still early days. The real question for me would be is there even enough games left for him to get fully match fit and settled enough to play something resembling his best football (which surely must be significantly better given his pedigree)? Re defenders OD we do still have Tobers on the books though we have no idea if he's actually any good yet. Quote
TheDonbytheDee Posted 11 hours ago Report Posted 11 hours ago I think Cameron has done well enough and you can see he has ability, but I just think we could get better, especially if fees required. 1 Quote
manc_don Posted 11 hours ago Report Posted 11 hours ago 31 minutes ago, tlg1903 said: I've admired Camerons work rate and general attitude but yet to see anything from him that's made me think "we need to keep this guy". Not been overly impressed by Geiger though still early days. The real question for me would be is there even enough games left for him to get fully match fit and settled enough to play something resembling his best football (which surely must be significantly better given his pedigree)? Re defenders OD we do still have Tobers on the books though we have no idea if he's actually any good yet. Think we know he’s good, in the few glimpses we’ve seen of him, but we never get it for long enough periods. Gutted tbh but he sees to be made of glass . We should be looking to move him on and get someone else in, it’s not going to work. 1 Quote
DantheDon Posted 8 hours ago Report Posted 8 hours ago I think if it was just a matter of paying the 400k fee that Rangers paid Dundee recently Cameron would be a certain signing this summer. I think he’s young enough and experienced enough at the same time to fit the profile of player the board seems to like. The problem I see is that surely his wages at Rangers will dwarf what we can offer and I could see that becoming a real stumbling block. Quote
Jute Posted 5 hours ago Report Posted 5 hours ago I wouldn’t be signing Cameron permanently. Don’t think he is any better than Aouchiche or Clarkson who he replaced. Works hard but little end product. Quote
OrlandoDon Posted 4 hours ago Report Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 53 minutes ago, Jute said: I wouldn’t be signing Cameron permanently. Don’t think he is any better than Aouchiche or Clarkson who he replaced. Works hard but little end product. Disagree with you there, for arguments sake let’s say he’s equal to aouchiche…he costs 1.5m. Cameron does not. I think Cameron is having a bigger impact than aouchiche. Had Cameron been with us since the summer I think we’d have seen as many or more goals/assists as aouchiche, difference is he’s joined us in an extreme situation. Totally different player to clarkson, I think he’s a better 10 than clarkson, clarkson is a deeper midfielder, Cameron is not. I don’t ultimately know where clarkson would excel, plenty of talent but seemed to lack something in every position he played. Huge factor for me is if Cameron had players capable around him. If Cameron had an effective left and right mid who would suck in defenders and create space, you’d get more from Cameron. He’s got good chemistry with nisbet, who I think is limited, what if he’d a legit and mobile 9 to combine with. I’m certain those three positions will be targets this summer. I think we’re expecting too much from Cameron in a shit team with no manager or confidence. Much like Geiger, get him a coach and a preseason, and a few decent signings around him, you’d have a good player I think. side comment here, and I’m not saying this is you jute, I was kind of called a racist for wanting more Scottish players yet people will shun/reject Cameron because he signed for rangers. To me he’s a very good young Scottish talent, probably the best Scottish player at the club, yet most don’t want him. Is that different to rejecting a black player, catholic, or foreigner? All based on hatred perhaps? Genuinely intrigued by responses, I grew up hating rangers as we probably all did, but don’t really hate the players. Don’t hate Barron, miovski, jack, don’t necessarily agree with how they handled things and more disappointed, maybe even hurt re miovski, was certainly disappointed Robertson signed for rangers back in the day, cooper too. I just don’t carry that dislike/grudge/hatred towards people for their decisions, career moves, opportunity to make more money and a better life etc. I didn’t hate mccrorie in recent years, was very good for us, and think Cameron would be a great permanent signing, as impactful as a mcginn potentially. Edited 4 hours ago by OrlandoDon Quote
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