Jimmy Thelin

[DantheDon]

1 hour ago, Jute2 said:

Thelin in P & J saying he has full backing of board and chairman. 
 

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/6880004/aberdeen-fc-jimmy-thelin-pressure-hibs-defeat/

Thelin may say that but it’s not from Cormack himself. I would be very surprised if Cormack isn’t considering things. It’s now been almost a year of relegation form, which is much more time than any previous manager has had. If it was mid table form with flashes of improvement then I could see the argument for a bit of patience but I’ve lost faith at this point. Thelin will get the midweek game against Killie, but lose that and I can see some real pressure for his dismissal starting to mount. 

[Panda]

5 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Hate to say it, and I know they haven’t been great so far this season, but Stephen Robinson is looking more and more appealing to me.

Why ruin a really well written, balanced post, with this frightener? I dunno if it's different in Orlando, but Halloween isn't for another four days here.

Stephen Robinson would be an awful choice. It would be us getting spooked, abandoning everything the club apparently identified in this review they did two years ago, and just hoping Robinson can have the same impact McInnes as had at Hearts without any forward thinking.

Like I said in the Hibs match thread - if Thelin is deemed not to be the man to continue it, then you search for someone who can. 

Stephen Robinson is Jim Goodwin all over again. He does not fit the model. The players we have don't fit his style of football. I'm also not sure what is appealing about him at the moment anyway. St Mirren have won just two of nine league games this season. Getting to the cup semi has masked a poor season (not unheard of). 

[tlg1903]

I suspect I'm fairly solitary on the board with this opinion but I would still give him the season and that's not going to change unless I genuinely start fearing relegation could be a thing. That said I think it was Panda that said yesterday that this was the first time his faith had been shaken in the manager which I can understand. Cormack has a big decision to make though and imo if he's going to stick he needs to make that comprehensively known so the support backs off a bit. 

Given the lack of news from the club so far it would seem he's going to get the Killie game at least.  After that we have a week off (much needed imo) then November is Larnaca away, motherwell, hearts and noah at home then livi away.  Plenty winnable games there.  I said a few months ago I thought the first half of the season was going to be tough so for me this isn't overly unexpected.  I do still think we will have a very strong second half of the season if we keep Thelin though.  

[OrlandoDon]

48 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

I suspect I'm fairly solitary on the board with this opinion but I would still give him the season and that's not going to change unless I genuinely start fearing relegation could be a thing. That said I think it was Panda that said yesterday that this was the first time his faith had been shaken in the manager which I can understand. Cormack has a big decision to make though and imo if he's going to stick he needs to make that comprehensively known so the support backs off a bit. 

Given the lack of news from the club so far it would seem he's going to get the Killie game at least.  After that we have a week off (much needed imo) then November is Larnaca away, motherwell, hearts and noah at home then livi away.  Plenty winnable games there.  I said a few months ago I thought the first half of the season was going to be tough so for me this isn't overly unexpected.  I do still think we will have a very strong second half of the season if we keep Thelin though.  

Me too, we’ve talked about a three year plan. although referencing Stephen Robinson yesterday was regrettable! Not sure who said it, but at it was said it took two years to see a legit difference at elfborg.
We had 4 games in a row where we weren’t bad , winning two. Then two shits. Killie is a biggie. The fan support is huge for us, we need them/us on jimmy’s side. But that comes from results.

 

[tlg1903]

21 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Me too, we’ve talked about a three year plan. although referencing Stephen Robinson yesterday was regrettable! Not sure who said it, but at it was said it took two years to see a legit difference at elfborg.
We had 4 games in a row where we weren’t bad , winning two. Then two shits. Killie is a biggie. The fan support is huge for us, we need them/us on jimmy’s side. But that comes from results.

 

That was probably me mate, I've done a lot of digging on his first few seasons at Elfsborg.  It really wasn't until the second half of the second season that they started to put together results and a huge swathe of the fanbase wanted him gone by the year and half mark.  There are plenty of valid comparisons to be drawn and it's the reason I still have hope for Thelin and a desire for him to get the chance to see it out.  

 

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although referencing Stephen Robinson yesterday was regrettable!

Yeah, not your finest hour OD 
 

[wee toon red]

1 hour ago, tlg1903 said:

I suspect I'm fairly solitary on the board with this opinion but I would still give him the season and that's not going to change unless I genuinely start fearing relegation could be a thing. That said I think it was Panda that said yesterday that this was the first time his faith had been shaken in the manager which I can understand. Cormack has a big decision to make though and imo if he's going to stick he needs to make that comprehensively known so the support backs off a bit. 

Given the lack of news from the club so far it would seem he's going to get the Killie game at least.  After that we have a week off (much needed imo) then November is Larnaca away, motherwell, hearts and noah at home then livi away.  Plenty winnable games there.  I said a few months ago I thought the first half of the season was going to be tough so for me this isn't overly unexpected.  I do still think we will have a very strong second half of the season if we keep Thelin though.  

Add me to the list of those who are still willing to give him a bit of time. There's talk that the new sporting director is imminent so I think that it might be prudent to let that relationship form before making any final decisions.

Two things would change my mind: as you've said, relegation looking likely would be one and the other would be obvious signs that the players have stopped doing it for him. I didn't see the game yesterday so won't be making snap judgements off the back of that, but it does sound a bit like there could have been early signs of tools having been downed?

[Jute2]

With new director of football being appointed and not starting role for another month I would assume that manger will now get a least until turn of the year to allow the new man time to review everything. 
 

[Goldie03]

I feel like that is fair enough tbh 

[tlg1903]

2 hours ago, wee toon red said:

Add me to the list of those who are still willing to give him a bit of time. There's talk that the new sporting director is imminent so I think that it might be prudent to let that relationship form before making any final decisions.

Two things would change my mind: as you've said, relegation looking likely would be one and the other would be obvious signs that the players have stopped doing it for him. I didn't see the game yesterday so won't be making snap judgements off the back of that, but it does sound a bit like there could have been early signs of tools having been downed?

Not that I could see.  Some players looked a bit wearied after Athens but I didn't see any signs of lack of effort or not really caring.  

[Panda]

Yeah my thinking is Thelin can change things, and he did so with the change to a back three which has - albeit only a handful of games - looked like getting the best out of Jack Milne, and appeared to suit Gyamfi when he was fit.

Now he needs to change the midfield, but to do that does he abandon his deep striker with two inside forwards / two number 10s, which has been his staple at Elfsborg? 

Kilmarnock is huge, but not in terms of the result (we'll say it is, but if we lose the world will still spin and Thelin will likely still be manager on Thursday). But it's huge in that we need to start seeing what Thelin's reaction is now. Is it just a wee refresh of the line-up and same again, or is he fixing the problems?

I want him to show evidence he can turn this around. To be honest, I'd be surprised if he couldn't. 

[Elgindon]

Also willing to give him time,at least the January window. Our signings have been a weird expensive mix,but theres a core of quality within there, that might benefit from a couple of good additions...which may involve more wasteful expense in the process,but youd like to think were learning as we go.Saying that,there must be some good solid Scottish players out there that could fit in straight away,ala Robson,Flood,Simon Murray to do the dirty work for the flashy players,without spending similar half million plus fees...

Edited Monday at 17:34 by Elgindon

[OxfordDon]

I keep thinking back to the fact that our season fell on its arse last year around the same time that our attacking coach left to go back to Sweden (Bajrami).

Before you all scream "hemmin, correlation disnae imply causation!" at me, if we are loathe to bin Thelin (and I understand why), should we be looking at changing up (or adding to) his support and counsel instead?

 

[BigAl]

6 hours ago, Jute2 said:

With new director of football being appointed and not starting role for another month I would assume that manger will now get a least until turn of the year to allow the new man time to review everything. 
 

Assume so, but whether he should be given that is a whole other matter 

[Tyrant]

The upturn in performances v Shaktar (Mitov aside ) and against Dundee had me hopeful that I was in the right to be in the "Give JT some more time" camp. I think I'm still these despite Sunday's bollocks v Hibs. Especially if Stephen Robinson is the calibre of name being banded about as a potential replacement. Gads

[redordead]

I bet Jimmy can't believe his luck. A new sporting director buys some time and allows Cormack to pass the buck on a decision.  Also a handy wee diversion.

Follow that up with Brendan going and wee Martin coming back. Suddenly nobody is talking about him. 

I reckon the new guy has a few weeks to assess and will be told to make the call if things don't improve rapidly.

Watching Sunday though, I'm not sure they can.

Edited 22 hours ago by redordead

[wokinginashearerwonderland]

14 hours ago, redordead said:

A new sporting director buys some time and allows Cormack to pass the buck on a decision. 

It is a good excuse but no reason why Cormack needs to wait until the sporting director is appointed before firing and re-hiring.  If you know who you want as your manager, just go out and get him.  You do not need to advertise it in the P&J and do a dozen interviews.  People make it sound like it is a complicated process but it really should not be.  If you look dan sarf at clubs like Everton and Spurs (far bigger clubs than ours), they just quickly identified who they wanted and went and got them. 

Jimmy seems like a nice bloke but he needs to exit.  It is getting laughable and he is also speaking in absolute riddles in the post match interviews now, a classic trait when a manager is under severe pressure.  Another drubbing incoming tonight at Rugby Park.  We will be bullied off the park by Killie. 

[Panda]

The new sporting director is keen to work with Thelin. All previous predictions that an abject defeat tonight might lead to a dismissal are now null and void.

Thelin will be here until *at least* December, so we may as well back the man.

Personally, I'm interested to see how the partnership gets on.

[tlg1903]

4 minutes ago, Panda said:

The new sporting director is keen to work with Thelin. All previous predictions that an abject defeat tonight might lead to a dismissal are now null and void.

Thelin will be here until *at least* December, so we may as well back the man.

Personally, I'm interested to see how the partnership gets on.

This is good, hopefully it will settle the support a wee bit.  People tend to get more agitated when they think change is possible imo.  

[tlg1903]

19 minutes ago, wokinginashearerwonderland said:

It is a good excuse but no reason why Cormack needs to wait until the sporting director is appointed before firing and re-hiring.  If you know who you want as your manager, just go out and get him.  You do not need to advertise it in the P&J and do a dozen interviews.  People make it sound like it is a complicated process but it really should not be.  If you look dan sarf at clubs like Everton and Spurs (far bigger clubs than ours), they just quickly identified who they wanted and went and got them. 

Jimmy seems like a nice bloke but he needs to exit.  It is getting laughable and he is also speaking in absolute riddles in the post match interviews now, a classic trait when a manager is under severe pressure.  Another drubbing incoming tonight at Rugby Park.  We will be bullied off the park by Killie. 

I actually found his presser yesterday really good.  He was calm, focused and not trying to shirk any responsibility. 

[OxfordDon]

1 hour ago, wokinginashearerwonderland said:

If you know who you want as your manager, just go out and get him.  You do not need to advertise it in the P&J and do a dozen interviews.  People make it sound like it is a complicated process but it really should not be.  If you look dan sarf at clubs like Everton and Spurs (far bigger clubs than ours), they just quickly identified who they wanted and went and got them. 

Do we know who we want?  (Please don't say Robinson)

Also, pretty sure Everton and Spurs have got a bit more financial clout to make light of pesky logistical inconveniences such as notice periods, compensation, and sufficiently tempting remuneration.