Tyrant

I do understand your point, Rocket. There's nothing complicated about it. But I don't agree that in a legal system apparently worth writing home that a person should lose his or her liberty because one person lies. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. It comes down to the jury's opinion of what reasonable doubt is. There was massive doubt in the case that I saw. I felt a not guilty verdict would be reached or at least a "not proven". The jury were wrong. You obviously wouldn't attribute this to the "legal system". Rather the testimony given in court but the fact is that the legal system allowed it to get to court in the first place. The semantics are not that important when a person's life is on the verge of being fucked up. I've read/heard countless times over the years about various crimes that have allegedly been committed and the suspect ends up not facing a court because the CPS doesn't feel there's sufficient evidence to convict. I read somewhere that only 4% of rapes result in a conviction. That seems low but thinking about it you'd think that as it's the sort of crime that happens behind closed doors it's likely to be one person's word against another which is why I assumed many wouldn't make it to court. Of course no one should get away with sexual assault of any kind but you've got to be sure you've got the right person and that a crime has taken place before it reaches court. In my opinion the system is weak at this point. Whilst I would never profess to be all-knowing when it comes to Karma I believe it's a belief system based on the mindset of "You reap what you sow". If that's not right please enlighten me. Ironic that you use the word "ignorant" when talking about atheism. Atheism is the future. Religion stems from fear and a lack of scientific understanding. Ancient Chinese philosophy may not be entirely without merit, it would be ignorant to make such a sweeping generalisation, but much of it will stem from ignorance. People use religion to shirk responsibility. Atheists don't. That is slowly turning the other way and not a moment too soon.

All fair points and you might well be right. It could be argued that the victims won't get a fair crack of the whip because some pro-indy nuts might end up on the jury will have already decided he's innocent before hearing anything in court. That is a possibility. It's not so much that I can't be arsed typing out every way that I can think of in which the trial or charge list might be flawed. Alleged victim statements taken by police and manipulated to maximise the list of charges seems to be one that I've heard of happening before. There are so many possibilities. I don't know them all because I don't know the legal system inside out. Who amongst us does? I knew my post was contentious. But whether fellow DT posters take me less seriously as a result or not I can live with quite frankly. If I'm wrong and he's tried 100% fairly then great. This is why I said that I hope the verdict is somehow proven beyond doubt and you (quite correctly) pointed out that anything being proven beyond doubt in a case like this is unlikely because it's going to be testimony based from the accuser and the accused with little or no witnesses. A poor attempt at baiting from a man who recently claimed he has also seen wrongful convictions in court. (or were they in England whilst not following ancient Roman law? ) Surely in a legal system as fucking wonderful as you describe this wouldn't be happening. Which is literally what you're doing in this thread? Then again every time a grown man who tirelessly tries to portray himself as an intellect mentions "karma" I take him less seriously than I did before.

I'm not suggesting there's any relevance. I mention those just to emphasise that having faith in the (any) legal system doesn't mean anything. Yes. two females concocted a claim against one man. Their word against his. Jury believed them. Man found guilty. At no point have I said that I have 100% faith in Salmond. Someone (who can only see in from the outside) having doubts doesn't mean I'm denying that it's a possibility that the crime took place. All I'm saying is I have my doubts. So I don't really feel the need to fully explain every possible way that the trial could be stacked against Salmond. The accuser being paid or bullied into lying isn't something that even came into my head. My doubts around Salmond getting a fair crack of the whip stem from my worry that members of the jury/prosecution/judge have already decided on his guilt before the trial because they don't like the cunt or what he believes in. Are humans not hateful and vengeful by nature? My issue here is maybe isn't about lack of faith in the justice system but lack of faith in humanity.

Please to be advising where I said he wasn't guilty. Did you read properly? What kind of naive tit genuinely has complete faith in the justice system? Corruption is commonplace everywhere so why not here? Or is this not a possibility? I have literally seen someone falsely convicted with my own eyes. Knowing the facts and having faith is all well and good but a guilty verdict was still returned. Why that was I can only speculate. But that's a man's life more or less ruined. Did they bully the lawyers or the jury? Only a fly on the wall or someone with full vision of every piece of the jigsaw would know that. Bottom line is incorrect verdicts are a reality. Was OJ really innocent? Was Brendan Dassey really guilty? If Salmond has faith then good for him. I really hope this one is proved beyond doubt either way.

Correct. This is a high profile man with powerful enemies who the establishment are terrified of. The justice system is mostly made up of establishmentarians. Thus making it extremely unlikely that he'll get a fair trial IMO. The opposite of what you know to state so confidently that he's guilty.

Whilst your optimism is admirable I feel compelled to remind you that Rangers got 4 penalties in their last game and were complaining that it should've been 5.

Saw the good and the bad of James Wilson on Saturday. Shows flashes of lightning pace and created a couple of chances. One for himself and one for someone else. Both of which were missed. Then he missed a really good chance to kill it off at the death. I'd be all for signing him up if he's willing to take a 90% wage cut. It was a really decent game and on another day we'd have won 5-1. Thoroughly impressed with Hoban at CB.

Sma bounce.

Does the avatar nae give the game away? It might as well say "Troll".

Like some of you cunts I've met Salmond too but unlike you cunts I don't feel that was adequate to judge his guilt. I admit he's not an easy man to like and I admit that I disliked him for a long time too but it takes a level of naivety to automatically believe all this because he's a smug prick or because it suits your own political agenda. Salmond has made a career out of being a thorn in the side of Westminster and has shown that he's a danger to the political status quo in the south east. He wasn't a million miles away from breaking up what is an extremely lucrative Union for England and there's a lot to be gained by ending his career (which is the main aim with all this.) Like him or not he's a smart man. Too smart, in my opinion, to get all gropey and force himself on anyone when he has so much to lose. It doesn't make sense. I'm worried that we won't hear "facts" or truths. Very difficult (impossible in fact) for a man like Salmond to get a fair trial. Wonder what they'll pin on Sturgeon. The Krankie thing is hilarious and all but something a bit more powerful will be needed for when they decide to get her. In simpler times we could have just hung, drawn and quartered the cunts.

SeeBass min, did you get yer winnings?

Worth a look?

And Lewis Morgan.

Yip. Fucking grim stuff.

Fucking hell that must be the first time in their brief history that Rangers have been drawn away from home twice in a row.

Too little too late IMO opinion.

I took it to mean that the £350m that we paid to the EU being paid to the NHS instead was a lie.

Do you not see that that's exactly how the No campaign was run in 2014 as well?

There was a ticket scramble for the game in 95. I winna be scrambling for a ticket this time. You can have mine min.

I was at Ochilview so I'm giving this one a miss.

To be honest, Rocket, I suspect that the day Andy showed his hand with regards to Indy was the day that any chance of a fucking cunt like Alan fucking Brazil ever having a positive word to say about him died. No one cares though. If anything is irrelevant it's him and his opinion. He hasn't the foggiest idea. A lot of folk play tennis. And that number has only been boosted by Andy's influence. I myself am living proof of that. There are facilities and money is being invested in them. The cooncil courts at Westburn have recently been completely refurbished inside and out. If the numbers taking part in a sport are low then why is that? In the case of the UK I'd say that was down to our tennis stars being shite and uninspiring. Look at Tim Henman. The best "we" had for years before Andy turned pro. A man that I supported and like but let's face it - about as inspiring as a filing cabinet. Andy inspired. Although Andy will be the first to say that the sport's governing bodies in this country haven't done enough to harness the waves that he's made since 2005. By your own admission you're not a tennis fan. The hype surrounding him is very much coming from those who are realising what we had and what we've lost. As you said the dog's dead. He's not coming back to anywhere near his previous level no matter what surgery he has and whilst there are some in denial most know it. And tbh imo he shouldn't bother. That match on Monday is a hell of a way to end a career known for grit and having a raging fire in his belly. He should now, I agree, count his many blessings and take some time to himself. He's probably not been able to do that his whole life. He's never had a Christmas dinner with his family ffs. I don't agree that tennis is becoming boring. For much of the last decade we've been riding the crest of a golden age of men's tennis. (Don't give a fuck about women's tennis - sorry.) The tennis bats have gotten lighter for sure and serving got a lot faster but when is the last time that you had a player that would smash down massive serves all day win anything? The names that spring to mind to me are Richard Krajicek and Goran Ivanisevic. Both long before Murray came onto the scene. I'd hesitate to put Andy Roddick alongside those two because he had a lot more to his game than shitey serve and volley. Today's big hitters won fuck all. Ivo Karlovic, John Isner and Milos Roanic. Because players like Murray and Djokovic in particular got technically very good at returning. Also slower surfaces like clay aren't conducive to big hitters smashing their way to wins by sheer brute strength.

Ffs. Maybe nae. A very sad day for Tennis and sport full stop. I know what we had but those of us who didn't will soon find out. We'll never have another Andy Murray. Personally I regret not making more of an effort to get to grand slam tennis before it was too late but the Indian Wells memories won't leave me. I'd be surprised if we see him on court in Melbourne after he supposedly suffered an injury setback. He mentioned a more invasive surgical option but I'm not surprised that he's swerving that. Enough is enough. Thank you Andy.

Agreed. Even inferior sports can be enjoyed in America. They know how to entertain when the game is shite.

Strange comment! I dare say the purpose isn't necessarily to "eat shite loads of just meat" although this is undeniably possible. I can tell from this comment that you've never been. I recommend it. Unless you're vegetarian. There's more than just meat on offer. Lots of Tapas style dishes too. But the difference between Fazenda and the comparable places in Aberdeen is the quality. The aim is probably to be able to enjoy all the different cuts and types of meat on offer. Before I went when I was looking at the menu I was reading it wondering how I was going to decide what to have. Then when I arrived and was seated I realised I could try it all. And try it all I did. Happy days. Rest assured that I will move this discussion to the appropriate thread in Off Topic.

More options are always welcome aye but I really need a Fazenda up here. We had Tropeiro and Hey Brazil but compared to Fazenda they were both shyte.