rocket_scientist Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I think there could have been a player there at one point, bad lifestyle choices have hindered him massively. I admit to not watching that much of him prior to joining us but for the baggage he brings he's not worth it. Just my opinion of course. Agree he's been a massive disappointment. I'll never forget the dagger he stuck into us after the 90th minute at Pittodrie on a new year fixture. He was always class potential. He fucked up. We never put him back on track. A good inspirational manager might have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flooter Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Agree he's been a massive disappointment. I'll never forget the dagger he stuck into us after the 90th minute at Pittodrie on a new year fixture. He was always class potential. He fucked up. We never put him back on track. A good inspirational manager might have. Seems to happen to quite a few Scottish strikers look at Riordan and O'Connor. I think they get too much too soon and their heads explode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket_scientist Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Seems to happen to quite a few Scottish strikers look at Riordan and O'Connor. I think they get too much too soon and their heads explode. Nothing to do with strikers. It's a Scottish disease. We see it in a load more fields than Scottish strikers. Girls are the biggest distraction. Booze and drugs are next. Some loved all three. Which means they never loved their talent enough. Fitba is not the only sport. Oranges are not the only grapefruits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbadteacher Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Maybe I'm just being awkward here, but I'm pretty sure Turnbull would have made a player out of DG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket_scientist Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Maybe I'm just being awkward here, but I'm pretty sure Turnbull would have made a player out of DG Great shout from undoubtedly an old cunt. Respect brother. These young fucks don't know what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jute Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Very poor window overall in my opinion. 6 players out 2 in has left us very short on numbers now. McInnes going to have no option but use the youngsters he has been reluctant to use so far. Feels like club have given up on this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flooter Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Maybe I'm just being awkward here, but I'm pretty sure Turnbull would have made a player out of DG Possibly SAF could have as well but football then and football now are two very different animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flooter Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Great shout from undoubtedly an old cunt. Respect brother. These young fucks don't know what you mean. I'm going to take that as a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinburghdon Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 https://mobile.twitter.com/JimSpenceSport/status/694319575714926594 Can't be too many deals this refers to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc_don Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 What a thoroughly underwhelming transfer window. Failed target after failed target obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reidzer 1314 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Very disappointing transfer window for us. We have actually come out of the window a weaker team then when in opened. As for the Tansey move, well I am lost for words on that one. Overall a real lack of ambition shown from the powers above at this football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 What a thoroughly underwhelming transfer window. Failed target after failed target obviously. Apart from Simon Church of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinburghdon Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 What a thoroughly underwhelming transfer window. Failed target after failed target obviously. It's obviously disappointing not to get Tansey in but I'm not sure you can definitely say its failed target after failed target... fair enough we missed out on Tansey but from the sounds of things that was mainly due to Caley being awkward and using ambiguity in their contract wording to their benefit. Were we seriously linked with moves for major targets in this window? Brannigan was on a pre-contract wasnt he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc_don Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Apart from Simon Church of course. The first part of my sentence is still relevant. Comments i've read (not just here but elsewhere) haven't really filled me with confidence but he's a red and here's hoping he scores the winner on Wednesday! Edit: ED, as I've said before, we usually do our business early doors, to me this reeks of plan A, or B have failed, then moved onto C. Our circumstances haven't changed, so to me this is our only answer. I don't blame Caley, they probably see us as direct competitors, would you want to sell to us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Fucking "rubber bumpers" Tansey WILL be a Don by midnight tonight Called that one wrong, couldn't have envisaged the right carry on this one became though. Reckon we've far from heard the last of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinburghdon Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The first part of my sentence is still relevant. Comments i've read (not just here but elsewhere) haven't really filled me with confidence but he's a red and here's hoping he scores the winner on Wednesday! Edit: ED, as I've said before, we usually do our business early doors, to me this reeks of plan A, or B have failed, then moved onto C. Our circumstances haven't changed, so to me this is our only answer. I don't blame Caley, they probably see us as direct competitors, would you want to sell to us? You could be right but saying that I genuinely don't think the club or McInnes would spend what's a significant sum of money for us on someone who's not going to be a main target. I can understand Caley not wanting to sell to us but IF the talk of a minimum release fee being met and Caley ignoring it claiming ambiguity in the wording then it's not really on is it? Not only that but if it is the case I'd imagine the player would be pretty raging. I guess the truth will come out though. I also don't think the Windows a sign the board have given up on the season, they'd not have tried to spend money if they had given up, I guess somethings things don't work out how you want them to. That's just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicoS321 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Seems to me like we've been a victim of the system a little. I suspect our first targets were missed previously, and we were left with further scouting to do. From that we identified another few targets and failed on them. I reckon Tansey was a punt, and pretty low down the list. The 200K bid suggests that cash was there for the right person, but by the time we got to Tansey ICT weren't ready to replace him so Hughes kicked up a fuss (threatened to leave apparently!) and we were left with nothing. Agents and players normally hold all the cards in these situations - that's why all deals are usually late in the window(s) - so it's unusual for a transfer like this not to go through. I think a centre midfielder was the key to us pushing the Tims all the way, and I think we'll regret not getting someone in. I don't think Storie is good enough to play there against the vermin. Hopefully Considine turns out to have been a midfielder all along and we can play him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlg1903 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Re ict, I think it's largely down to the fact Kenny Cameron fucking hates afc.Interesting to see where this one goes, my first thought on hearing ICT were refusing was that they might be cutting their nose to spite their face a little. By that I mean one of the big selling points of ICT when trying to attract players has been providing a shop window to move onto bigger things. Rooney, Andy Shinnie and McKay to name a few from recent times have all got moves to England from ICT. Now AFC are obviously not paying what even league 1 clubs in England can but Tansey would likely have at least doubled, hell probably trebled, his wage by moving east . Can't imagine he's too chuffed about having that scuppered for him by Kenny Cameron especially when the release fee was actually met regardless of the circumstances of how it was known. I reckon agents will definitely remember this in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinburghdon Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Seems to me like we've been a victim of the system a little. I suspect our first targets were missed previously, and we were left with further scouting to do. From that we identified another few targets and failed on them. I reckon Tansey was a punt, and pretty low down the list. The 200K bid suggests that cash was there for the right person, but by the time we got to Tansey ICT weren't ready to replace him so Hughes kicked up a fuss (threatened to leave apparently!) and we were left with nothing. Agents and players normally hold all the cards in these situations - that's why all deals are usually late in the window(s) - so it's unusual for a transfer like this not to go through. I think a centre midfielder was the key to us pushing the Tims all the way, and I think we'll regret not getting someone in. I don't think Storie is good enough to play there against the vermin. Hopefully Considine turns out to have been a midfielder all along and we can play him there. I really don't think we'd have spent £200k on someone who wasn't a main target. In fact I'd say there's no hope in hell we were looking to spend what would be only our second transfer fee in years on a punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reidzer 1314 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 If I was AFC I would certainly be taking this to the SFA or even above. If a release clause is met then surely if the player agrees the move then they have to release his contract. Inverness have behaved like a spoiled child and have grasped at a wording issue to hang on to a player who clearly wanted to leave. If rumours are to be believed both Tansey and his agent are pretty pissed about what Inverness have done. There must have been a point where they were going to release him as they signed a replacement for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally s Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Lack of ambition on AFC's part imo. Tansey, imo, isn't good enough to hold down a regular starting place with us. Also, this window would have been a real opportunity for AFC to make a statement of intent. Spend decent money on a couple of players, players who'd be starting every week and can make a real difference. Celtic are there for the taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggy89 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 When you've got situations like this and the more "high profile" cases of Berahino and possibly Stones how long will it be before we see a footballer challenge the contracts system? I didn't particularly want us to sign Tansey and certainly didn't feel he was worth £200k, nor do I feel any sympathy for millionaire footballers not getting to play for other teams offering to increase their weekly wage by more then the national average yearly wage, but in this day it is an odd system that allows people to be treated as commodities. I'm not saying that it is wrong that clubs protect their investments in players just that if a player was to take this to European Court of Human Rights or whatever we may see a ruling that makes the one Bosman received seem a minor inconvenience. The answer, presumably, is "Release Clauses" with a formula set out by FIFA or whatever may come to replace it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicoS321 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I really don't think we'd have spent £200k on someone who wasn't a main target. In fact I'd say there's no hope in hell we were looking to spend what would be only our second transfer fee in years on a punt. Really? If he was our top target, with a release clause, then he'd have been signed immediately after Flood and Jack got injured or even before the cup game. I'd say McInnes was given a budget to spend (possibly more than 200K), he identified 4 or 5 players and Tansey was 4th or 5th on that list. I suppose you could still call him a "main" target, just not the main target. Punt was probably a bit harsh - in fact completely the wrong word - as he's very much a known quantity, it's just that I think that he'd have had to play to the very best of his ability in order to improve on Jack or Flood when they return. I think the 200K would have been worth it just to replace Storie in tomorrow night's team to be honest (I don't think Storie is quite there yet). I think we took a risk on trying to get our other targets (who couldn't be tackled until the ended of the window) assuming we had the fall back of Tansey's release clause, and in the end we failed because his clause wasn't water-tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc_don Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Really? If he was our top target, with a release clause, then he'd have been signed immediately after Flood and Jack got injured or even before the cup game. I'd say McInnes was given a budget to spend (possibly more than 200K), he identified 4 or 5 players and Tansey was 4th or 5th on that list. I suppose you could still call him a "main" target, just not the main target. Punt was probably a bit harsh - in fact completely the wrong word - as he's very much a known quantity, it's just that I think that he'd have had to play to the very best of his ability in order to improve on Jack or Flood when they return. I think the 200K would have been worth it just to replace Storie in tomorrow night's team to be honest (I don't think Storie is quite there yet). I think we took a risk on trying to get our other targets (who couldn't be tackled until the ended of the window) assuming we had the fall back of Tansey's release clause, and in the end we failed because his clause wasn't water-tight. Very much this. As I said earlier, we always do our business early. This clearly didn't work out. The big influences on this would logically be injuries which happened early in the window. Since then, nothing has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinburghdon Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Really? If he was our top target, with a release clause, then he'd have been signed immediately after Flood and Jack got injured or even before the cup game. I'd say McInnes was given a budget to spend (possibly more than 200K), he identified 4 or 5 players and Tansey was 4th or 5th on that list. I suppose you could still call him a "main" target, just not the main target. Punt was probably a bit harsh - in fact completely the wrong word - as he's very much a known quantity, it's just that I think that he'd have had to play to the very best of his ability in order to improve on Jack or Flood when they return. I think the 200K would have been worth it just to replace Storie in tomorrow night's team to be honest (I don't think Storie is quite there yet). I think we took a risk on trying to get our other targets (who couldn't be tackled until the ended of the window) assuming we had the fall back of Tansey's release clause, and in the end we failed because his clause wasn't water-tight. You may well be right, guess we may never know but I'm not overly convinced the budget was always there. McInnes made it perfectly clear in the early part of the window that people had to leave to free up wages to get his targets in. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Tansey was one he wanted but needed to shift Quinn etc before finally making the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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