Crazy American Politics

[RicoS321]

5 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

had drag queen performances at assemblies (don’t know what else to call it and it was awkward)

Especially when a middle aged Scottish teacher started screaming and threw his underwear on stage.

[OrlandoDon]

On 14/09/2025 at 10:07, wee toon red said:

Please take this as a genuine question Orlando Don as I think it was you that said it (apologies if it wasn’t):

What specifically is it that schools and colleges over there are teaching that’s “left” and lead folk like Charlie Kirk to think the opposite point of view needs to be put out on campuses across the country?

I’ll add to my other post, overkill no doubt. I was Director of Athletics so was involved with all gender bathrooms, locker rooms, boys on girls teams etc. I was asked to research what other education institutions did as we went through our decision making processes so had a good feel what other schools were doing. I found it hard doing more and more things I didn’t believe in. I was definitely a democrat when I moved to LA and I don’t think I significantly changed in my beliefs, I just think the left shifted so I suddenly became right of center.

[RicoS321]

What is hilarious to see, is the free speech wave going back and forth, with associated frothing and side-taking. It started with the left being defenders of free speech, being provocative in search of more liberal attitudes towards sex and sexuality, always being censored by the right. McCarthyism  another sordid tool. Then the hate speech took over, with words being phased out because they were no longer appropriate leading to speakers at university and so on being "cancelled". Now the "can't say anything these days" folks are reporting people for making jokes about a death, trying to get them fired and shows cancelled. All propelled by the narcissistic machine of social media. You wonder when it will peak?

[OrlandoDon]

10 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

What is hilarious to see, is the free speech wave going back and forth, with associated frothing and side-taking. It started with the left being defenders of free speech, being provocative in search of more liberal attitudes towards sex and sexuality, always being censored by the right. McCarthyism  another sordid tool. Then the hate speech took over, with words being phased out because they were no longer appropriate leading to speakers at university and so on being "cancelled". Now the "can't say anything these days" folks are reporting people for making jokes about a death, trying to get them fired and shows cancelled. All propelled by the narcissistic machine of social media. You wonder when it will peak?

It’s nuts, it’s funny too, the left going mental over what the right are doing when a few months ago the left were the ones canceling the right in similar fashion. Funny is obviously the wrong thing to say, it’s very sad and I dont know what it takes to get out of the finger pointing and having to have the upper hand. Two wrongs clearly don’t make a right but as you say, when does it peak? Biden promoted himself and campaigned as being the president to bring everyone together, that clearly didn’t happen. We really need a middle of the road type to come forward and take on the uniter role. If ever there’s a need for an independent party it’s now.

people are being canceled here, are people being arrested for saying the wrong thing in Britain???

[RicoS321]

7 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

It’s nuts, it’s funny too, the left going mental over what the right are doing when a few months ago the left were the ones canceling the right in similar fashion. Funny is obviously the wrong thing to say, it’s very sad and I dont know what it takes to get out of the finger pointing and having to have the upper hand. Two wrongs clearly don’t make a right but as you say, when does it peak? Biden promoted himself and campaigned as being the president to bring everyone together, that clearly didn’t happen. We really need a middle of the road type to come forward and take on the uniter role. If ever there’s a need for an independent party it’s now.

people are being canceled here, are people being arrested for saying the wrong thing in Britain???

Yes, a certain group in the UK has been deemed a terrorist group for painting a plane, and old ladies are being arrested for supporting them. On the opposing side, a woman is jailed for telling people to burn down hotels. The two are equated by a redundant press. Starmer is as pathetic and weak as Biden was, but he's there because of that, as was Biden. Like Biden, he's there to give the illusion of left versus right, when in reality there is no political left representing the UK. There is only a large right wing, and a bunch of people trying to win over that right wing by placating them and borrowing their talking points. Of course, that right wing is imported, in its entirety from the US, with huge funding from guys like Musk and the other social media guys, and orchestrated by people like Steve Bannon. It's basically political interference, but guys like Starmer are too pathetic to call it out. A British reporter actually asked him yesterday if Britain was no longer a Christian country. A line directly taken from right wing US Christian groups. Instead of ignoring the reporter, he weakly pretended that he was Christian himself. That weakness has immediately opened the door for Christianity being forced into the conversation (directly from the US), and it will keep being nudged until we're back to questioning abortion. Being the weak middle (very much including the BBC) versus the right, there will only be one winner. 

Again, I'm not coming at it from either side, I'm trying to be as objective as I can. In reality, I think that they're all wrong. They're both working against physics, and their stupid arguments will soon wither away when faced with the far larger problems that civilisation is facing. I'd expect a few civil wars when that happens. An example would be climate change and water shortages. The overwhelming majority of migration in the US in the next fifty years will be internal migration. You can see how it struggles to cope with the arbitrary external migration created by its borders, so how does that play out when those borders become state, or county borders? You've timed your move well, doing it before the rush, perhaps, although I expect that a large portion of Orlando will be redundant too. It's very intriguing. The political class will do its utmost to insulate itself whilst pretending it isn't happening. 

[RicoS321]

Whatever we think of Donald Trump, it's fantastic that him and JFK have now cured autism. Great job guys.

[dons8321]

4 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Whatever we think of Donald Trump, it's fantastic that him and JFK have now cured autism. Great job guys.

Bit harsh on JFK considering he's been dead for 62 years.

[Jute]

4 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Whatever we think of Donald Trump, it's fantastic that him and JFK have now cured autism. Great job guys.

Basically ignore the advice of numerous scientific studies and trust the word of one man who claimed he had brain worms and another who told folk to drink bleach to avoid COVID.

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, dons8321 said:

Bit harsh on JFK considering he's been dead for 62 years.

That's what they want you to think 

[Mason89]

Another bottle job by the Democrats which would embarrass the Hearts 86 squad 

 

[Kowalski]

Trump’s bricking it and plenty talk of Republicans jumping ship on him.
 

A fucked up mess to see elected officials trying to cover up for a pedo.  The whole Epstein story must be huge with many implicated. 

[RicoS321]

37 minutes ago, Kowalski said:

pedo

You've even gone with the American spelling. Nice touch.

[Mason89]

36 minutes ago, Kowalski said:

Trump’s bricking it and plenty talk of Republicans jumping ship on him.
 

A fucked up mess to see elected officials trying to cover up for a pedo.  The whole Epstein story must be huge with many implicated. 

Bad enough for the palace to preemptively remove a prince. All those boring right wing tossers who were blowing smoke up Trumps arse are going to look even dafter/noncier soon 

[InversneckieDob]

I think 2026 will see new heights/depths of lunacy.

Talking to Americans I know  there's a feeling the Dems could get control of both houses in the mid-terms.

I think therapist Trump will try to stop the mid-terms happening. 

 

It's through the looking glass stuff over there.....and we're galloping swiftly in that direction over here.

[tom_widdows]

Just gonna stick this here.

https://youtu.be/RYPRQj0NtIU?si=AKlXH4z5IlRex4FV

[Mason89]

On 14/09/2025 at 14:19, OrlandoDon said:

It’s not about winning an argument, I think it’s bigger than that. Winning and losing arguments is why we are at this point, we’re all losers at present. If you do some objective reading you’ll easily find it. We see it daily. From three assassination attempts in the last year, 2 on trump and now Kirk, plus the violence around BLM or ICE, politicized to left leaning causes, it’s all there. Listen to the likes of Tim Walz, AOC, its toxic. But you get similar on the right, there’s a lot of reflection needed that will unlikely happen.

how much time have you spent in America?

I spent a fair bit of time in Texas through work but I don’t think you really have to go there to know that it’s pretty batshit. You can’t both sides this. The right in America are absolutely crackers. The ‘left’ aren’t left at all. If they were British, they would be Tories or similar to Starmers Labour 

[Kowalski]

Trump called a female reporter “piggy” on camera and not a single other member of the press said anything. Too worried about losing their press access - what a fucked up country. 
 

And he’s now meeting Bin Salman and Cristiano Ronaldo in the White House. Jokes about Trump cosying up to a dislikable walloper from Saudi Arabia seem to write themselves…

[InversneckieDob]

What's  therapist up to with these  'Epstein files'?

He's obviously up to his arse in all that shite, but he's signed an order for their release. 

He's got an angle here.

[RicoS321]

2 hours ago, InversneckieDob said:

What's  therapist up to with these  'Epstein files'?

He's obviously up to his arse in all that shite, but he's signed an order for their release. 

He's got an angle here.

A few possibilities. The first is that there is an investigation ongoing, and so Bondi will prevent the release of much of the good stuff, or it will be hugely redacted. 

The second (and the one I think most likely) is that Trump is not hugely involved in things, not in a degree that would concern. Or nothing he has done is documented. I think his dislike for Epstein is genuine, and - like most men - I suspect that there's an age below which he would see a young girl like his daughter (despite his weird obsession with her). He's just your standard rapist, basically. 

The third is that there is some involvement, and some hint that he has been at it with teenage girls, but he correctly believes that his base will comfortably look the other way. Be prepared for a blitz of "other countries allow teenage girls to have sex", "they weren't pre-pubescent" etc. To some degree, it's fair comment, if you happily ignore the trafficking, the British Prince nonce didn't break any UK laws in terms of age after all. The age gap is obviously the disgusting part, but Trump's voters will comfortably look the other way, accuse the other side and so on, just as they did with his rapeyness. They already know who they're voting for. He'll simply deny the knowledge trafficking, and claim consent, and it's clear that if there is any sort on Trump, it dates back at least thirty years, and will be hard to confirm.

[Mason89]

Option 2 there. What is already in the public domain is hugely concerning 

[RicoS321]

40 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

Option 2 there. What is already in the public domain is hugely concerning 

Just your standard wealthy politician rapey stuff though. Nobody in yankland bats an eyelid at that these days. 

[Mason89]

7 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Just your standard wealthy politician rapey stuff though. Nobody in yankland bats an eyelid at that these days. 

You’ve got the NYT quote about liking them on the young side, all the photos together, the drawings, secret messages, the deranged things he’s said about his own daughter, looking at the kid & saying he’s going to be dating her in a few years, walking in on the teenage beauty contest changing rooms…I think it’s likely what was going on was much worse. We’ll never know though, as we’ll see his tax returns before we see the files 

ultimately, as usual, the problem is with men in general. 

 

 

[RicoS321]

26 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

You’ve got the NYT quote about liking them on the young side, all the photos together, the drawings, secret messages, the deranged things he’s said about his own daughter, looking at the kid & saying he’s going to be dating her in a few years, walking in on the teenage beauty contest changing rooms…I think it’s likely what was going on was much worse. We’ll never know though, as we’ll see his tax returns before we see the files 

ultimately, as usual, the problem is with men in general. 

 

 

No, I don't believe the problem is with men in general. Men of power, in a system that pathetically elevates men in power, perhaps. Our culture, maybe. Patriarchy, certainly. Not men in general though. 

[Mason89]

10 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

No, I don't believe the problem is with men in general. Men of power, in a system that pathetically elevates men in power, perhaps. Our culture, maybe. Patriarchy, certainly. Not men in general though. 

I’d agree with all of that but you’ve got more faith in your average Joe than I do. 

[RicoS321]

29 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

I’d agree with all of that but you’ve got more faith in your average Joe than I do. 

Joe's a great guy. Great father, easy to get along with, good working man, liked by his colleagues, likes teenage girls, cooking and following his favourite football team, although he doesn't get to see them often because they play 200 miles away in Glasgow.