inspirational figure. he really is.

 

looking at the way he talks to our players throughout the game.

 

the way he barracks the opposition

 

the way he generally just struts about with his chest out, its great to see.

 

HOWEVER...i think weve been so starved of proper professionals over the years that its actually a little sad how we - i included - have latched onto this guy as being some kind of messiah

 

i want to hammer home that im happy hes at our club and that hes our captain, but...im sorry to say, he looks like a shadow of a player out on the park

 

the game seems to continually pass him by and my question is....can we afford that?

Yes.

 

Next question?

Yes as long as Folly or someone else does the running, he can still pass the ball very well and his set piece delivery is pretty decent

so was Charles'!

Yes.

 

Next question?

 

i really dont know if we can.

 

when we had Zerouali, it was said that we could not afford to "carry" him as although he was capable of genius, he wasnt someone who worked his arse off for 90  mins, so why is hartley any different?

Er no that was myth ..........Mulgrew took nearly every single fk and corner we had, the odd one was half decent, a lot were pish

did you see Hartley's deliveries today?

i really dont know if we can.

 

when we had Zerouali, it was said that we could not afford to "carry" him as although he was capable of genius, he wasnt someone who worked his arse off for 90  mins, so why is hartley any different?

 

You have already answered that in your original post mate.

 

Zero did none of that and to say Hartley is past it is ridiculous too, he is not the player of old, otherwise some other cunt would have him but he has an influence, both directly and indirectly. Did you watch the Hibs game?

 

You do know who the highest scorers at the club are too don't you?

Zero did none of what?

 

i seen the full 90 mins of the hibs game yeah

 

it defnitely "eeked" a little more out of him, did the hibs game, for obvious reasons

 

i honestly believe he is past it.

 

hes SO slow that its really easy to skin him

 

and yeah fully aware how many he's scored

 

however theyre not as a result of his fine outfield play...theyre penalties so they dont damage my points

Fine, you're right, he's pish.

 

Bin him.

not what im saying

 

in a footballing sense - he really doesnt have it anymore

 

as an inspirational captain he certainly does however

 

tis a tough one

Doesnt have it ?  Hope your not fishing Frankie

not what im saying

 

in a footballing sense - he really doesnt have it anymore

 

as an inspirational captain he certainly does however

 

tis a tough one

 

No it isn't.

We need an inspirational captain and your saying that he fits the bill so its a no brainer.

We need an inspirational captain and your saying that he fits the bill so its a no brainer.

 

he is the epitome of an inspirational captain, he really is

 

but i think hes a passenger on the park

 

my question was, can we accept that?

he is the epitome of an inspirational captain, he really is

 

but i think hes a passenger on the park

 

my question was, can we accept that?

You think that.

 

I'm guessing more folk don't, whilst accepting he isn't the player he once was.

Zero - did fuck all for 89 minutes, would do something inspirational for one minute.

 

Hartley - Inspirational for 90 minutes although the legs are going.

 

There's the difference.

fair enough yeah

 

was just wondering if anyone else felt the same or if i was in the minority

Zero - did fuck all for 89 minutes, would do something inspirational for one minute.

 

Hartley - Inspirational for 90 minutes although the legs are going.

 

There's the difference.

 

not biting for the Zero thing, that's for another thread

not biting for the Zero thing, that's for another thread

 

Biting?

 

You're the one who brough him up in the first place.

not biting for the Zero thing, that's for another thread

What is there to bite about?

 

If you genuinely think Zero was a player you could rely on to put a shift in and inspire others around you then we'll leave it there and agree to disagree.

The Zero "thing" was something you mentioned MT, not a very good comparison.

Comparing Zero to Hartley is like comparing a fish to a scaffolding pole.

 

Carrying a player who gives you one moment of genius is not an option for Aberdeen. Having a player who is a little off the pace of a game but brings fight, inspiration and cohesion to the team and ensures the relationship with the fans is taken care of throughout is a must for a club like Aberdeen. The question is can we afford NOT to have that ?

Didn't see the game at the weekend but CB said he was brilliant throughout.  When I've seen him this season I thought he generally started well but faded, no crime in that - he's 34.

 

Maybe, just maybe MT, he isn't up to two matches in 3/4 days. Either way, what's the alternative at the moment? 

I think it's a little unfair to say we're playing Hartley as there are no alternatives. He is a good player and a seemingly positive influence directly and indirectly in matches.

 

As you say BB he probably isn't going to be stellar every game, few players are but he may well be incapable of exerting the same direct influence every game but the indirect influence makes him virtually indispensable.

 

I was not a fan at all prior to his arrival but am thoroughly impressed by him, his attitude and his captaincy and am very pleased he's at AFC. 

I think Hartley will be brilliant under Brown. Browns positive but structured approach will suit Hartley's own style and he will grow under his stewardship. Good things are afoot.