inspirational figure. he really is.

 

looking at the way he talks to our players throughout the game.

 

the way he barracks the opposition

 

the way he generally just struts about with his chest out, its great to see.

 

HOWEVER...i think weve been so starved of proper professionals over the years that its actually a little sad how we - i included - have latched onto this guy as being some kind of messiah

 

i want to hammer home that im happy hes at our club and that hes our captain, but...im sorry to say, he looks like a shadow of a player out on the park

 

the game seems to continually pass him by and my question is....can we afford that?

good, because i didnt hate jess!!!!

 

far from it, he was a great player for us.

 

it is worth noting however that i only have fleeting memories of jess, with the most prominent ones being once he came back to us from coventry and i doubt highly THAT was him at his mercurial best.

 

Yeah, that's accurate, he was still good for us though. However, on his first spell with us, Zero (and most others) could only dream of being as good as him

fair enough matey, we all have different favourites.

 

Windass, Zerouali, Bisco, Millertime.

 

4 of my real favourites of the last 10 or so years - i just prefer players with that, "je ne sais quoi!"

 

Jess was definitely up there though

fair enough matey, we all have different favourites.

 

Windass, Zerouali, Bisco, Millertime.

 

4 of my real favourites of the last 10 or so years - i just prefer players with that, "je ne sais quoi!"

 

Jess was definitely up there though

 

Inconsistency??

 

5-1 against killie.....hat-trick at dens.....free-kick against st mirren....screamers against dundee utd and motherwell....

 

Pffffffft.

 

If you're trying to make someone sound inspirational then you're going to have to try a lot harder than a free kick against St Mirren and a hatrick against Dundee.

 

Zero was a decent player who liked a stepover.  He'd often beat his man before trying to be smart by beating him again, only to step on the ball and lose it.  Very frustrating to watch, actually, Sone is probably a better comparison.

 

Zero shone in a team of Thornleys, Teirnans, Rutkiewiczs and Dadis.

 

Jess stood out in a team surrounded by Bett, Snelders, Shearer, McLeish and McKimmie.

 

Zero didn't even come close.

Can I just add to this debate that Hartley has scored 8 times this season and we are only at the halfway point. That's about 30% more goals than any striker scored all season last year. I'd class that as contribution.

I know it's ridiculously patronising but I can't help thinking, 'for your own sake hud yer wheesht, fella' in some of your posts

 

I get the point you trying to argue but Hartley is contributing 100% of the time. No player ever has the ball all the time so what you're asking is impossible. Even without the ball he's still having an impact on us. And if every player had his passing and completion rate we wouldn't be raking around the bottom fighting to avoid relegation.

 

That was bad enough but to compare Zero to Jess???  :o wtf

 

BB said, 'Jess was a better player, and by a distance, too.' ..... exactly how long is a country mile?

 

In a nutshell - g'wa an bile yer heed catboy

 

 

1,760 yards

Zerouali wasn't even a fraction of the player Jess was.

Pffffffft.

 

If you're trying to make someone sound inspirational then you're going to have to try a lot harder than a free kick against St Mirren and a hatrick against Dundee.

 

Zero was a decent player who liked a stepover.  He'd often beat his man before trying to be smart by beating him again, only to step on the ball and lose it.  Very frustrating to watch, actually, Sone is probably a better comparison.

 

Zero shone in a team of Thornleys, Teirnans, Rutkiewiczs and Dadis.

 

Jess stood out in a team surrounded by Bett, Snelders, Shearer, McLeish and McKimmie.

 

Zero didn't even come close.

 

Jess was inconsistent as well but like Zero, Strachan and Bell (going back a bit here but you know the type of player I mean) were the type of players you like to pay your money to watch.

You don't expect them to be good every game or even a whole 90 minutes but you cant bin them

What Millertime is saying is can we afford to carry Hartley who maybe does not have that one moment he can turn a game like the above mentioned rest.

 

 

 

Jess was inconsistent as well but like Zero, Strachan and Bell (going back a bit here but you know the type of player I mean) were the type of players you like to pay your money to watch.

You don't expect them to be good every game or even a whole 90 minutes but you cant bin them

What Millertime is saying can we afford to carry Hartley who maybe does not have that one moment he can turn a game like the above mentioned rest.

 

As others have said, yes we can. The questions should be, can we afford to not have him. We need to prepare for the eventuality that he will not be able to impose his influence on the pitch. But whilst he is here and playing, he is the first name I would put on the team sheet as he offers so much more. It's been a long time since I have seen an AFC captain stand up for one of their own. See Kerr (spit) and Severin as examples of how not to behave.

Jess was inconsistent as well but like Zero, Strachan and Bell (going back a bit here but you know the type of player I mean) were the type of players you like to pay your money to watch.

You don't expect them to be good every game or even a whole 90 minutes but you cant bin them

What Millertime is saying is can we afford to carry Hartley who maybe does not have that one moment he can turn a game like the above mentioned rest.

I'd say so when Hartley carries the team in terms of inspiration and determination.

Jess was inconsistent as well but like Zero, Strachan and Bell (going back a bit here but you know the type of player I mean) were the type of players you like to pay your money to watch.

You don't expect them to be good every game or even a whole 90 minutes but you cant bin them

What Millertime is saying is can we afford to carry Hartley who maybe does not have that one moment he can turn a game like the above mentioned rest.

 

Strachan > Jess > Zero

 

I wouldn't compare Zero to Jess just like I wouldn't compare Jess to Strachan.

Strachan > Jess > Zero

 

I wouldn't compare Zero to Jess just like I wouldn't compare Jess to Strachan.

 

Why not they are all the same type of skilful player who can turn a game with a flash of genius.

Remember we are comparing type of player here not who is best

Zero couldn't lace Jess's boots.

 

Is the right answer.

What Millertime is saying is can we afford to carry Hartley who maybe does not have that one moment he can turn a game like the above mentioned rest.

The other players do fuck all for 89 minutes then contribute something to get a consolation goal. All bollocks.

What Millertime is saying is can we afford to carry Hartley who maybe does not have that one moment he can turn a game like the above mentioned rest.

 

He is saying that, you are correct, however everyone else is saying they disagree.

Quite where the comparison with Zero or Jess comes from I have no idea.

He is saying that, you are correct, however everyone else is saying they disagree.

Quite where the comparison with Zero or Jess comes from I have no idea.

 

The comparison is a joke as is the supposed discussion the thread has prompted. Horrific stuff.

 

A good player who improves the team and provides cohesion and leadership. Yes, we could do without that.

 

You could not make that shite up.

Pffffffft.

 

If you're trying to make someone sound inspirational then you're going to have to try a lot harder than a free kick against St Mirren and a hatrick against Dundee.

 

Zero was a decent player who liked a stepover.  He'd often beat his man before trying to be smart by beating him again, only to step on the ball and lose it.  Very frustrating to watch, actually, Sone is probably a better comparison.

 

Zero shone in a team of Thornleys, Teirnans, Rutkiewiczs and Dadis.

 

Jess stood out in a team surrounded by Bett, Snelders, Shearer, McLeish and McKimmie.

 

Zero didn't even come close.

 

dont be ignorant

 

zero was in the same team as jess actually

Zerouali wasn't even a fraction of the player Jess was.

 

IN your opinion.

 

its all about opinions

 

why did i idolise Zerouali then when Jess was here too?

 

opinions

Jess was inconsistent as well but like Zero, Strachan and Bell (going back a bit here but you know the type of player I mean) were the type of players you like to pay your money to watch.

You don't expect them to be good every game or even a whole 90 minutes but you cant bin them

What Millertime is saying is can we afford to carry Hartley who maybe does not have that one moment he can turn a game like the above me

 

ntioned rest.

 

well said that man

IN your opinion.

 

its all about opinions

 

why did i idolise Zerouali then when Jess was here too?

 

opinions

 

Because you are thick?

The other players do fuck all for 89 minutes then contribute something to get a consolation goal. All bollocks.

 

an incredibly ignorant post

 

was Alukos magic against Bayern not welcome then?

 

may i inform you that teams need players like that if you wanna get anywhere

 

for every hartley, you need an aluko

The comparison is a joke as is the supposed discussion the thread has prompted. Horrific stuff.

 

A good player who improves the team and provides cohesion and leadership. Yes, we could do without that.

 

You could not make that shite up.

 

if thats the way you read what ive said, then youre incredible dense

 

crux: hartley really isnt very good in a playing sense anymore and i think hes a passenger for us in those terms. he is however an incredible leader...my question was....can we carry a passenger on the park in footballing terms, due to the fact hes a good influence?

well said that man

 

Not well said at all, comparing greats like Bell, Strachan etc with Zerouali to try and demonstrate a point that even began as nonsense, is, well nonsense.

 

But like most of your threads MT, it is all about opinions, mainly yours.

Because you are thick?

 

you and countless others in this thread are actually showing yourself to be thick

 

it was an incredibly simple question which ive outlines again for you above