Ajja Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I think Hartley will be brilliant under Brown. Browns positive but structured approach will suit Hartley's own style and he will grow under his stewardship. Good things are afoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millertime Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 What is there to bite about? If you genuinely think Zero was a player you could rely on to put a shift in and inspire others around you then we'll leave it there and agree to disagree. id say he DEFINITELY inspired his team mates, but in a wholly different way to paul hartley does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 id say he DEFINITELY inspired his team mates, but in a wholly different way to paul hartley does. Yes. Not nearly as often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caledonia Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Probably going to get shot down here but I think since we lost Lee Miller we have not been the same team. He was the same as above mentioned players as much as fans criticised him for not scoring enough goals as a striker but as a target man there was no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millertime Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Yes. Not nearly as often. well, he inspired me every time i watched him so much so, that i used to go to reserve games to see him (coming back from injury and ebbe dropping him!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Probably going to get shot down here but I think since we lost Lee Miller we have not been the same team. He was the same as above mentioned players as much as fans criticised him for not scoring enough goals as a striker but as a target man there was no better. Not by me you won't. He is a good player though has to be said his form, much like the team, was pretty poor when he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 well, he inspired me every time i watched him so much so, that i used to go to reserve games to see him (coming back from injury and ebbe dropping him!) Maybe so and I was a big fan but he didn't really represent captain material did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajja Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Probably going to get shot down here but I think since we lost Lee Miller we have not been the same team. He was the same as above mentioned players as much as fans criticised him for not scoring enough goals as a striker but as a target man there was no better. Again, another dreadful comparison. Miller was so far from being a leader of men. Talented, possibly, but lazy and not bright enough to manage himself let alone a teams motivation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Again, another dreadful comparison. Miller was so far from being a leader of men. Talented, possibly, but lazy and not bright enough to manage himself let alone a teams motivation. In fairness, I don't think he was comparing Miller with anyone, just saying we have been a lesser team since he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajja Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 In fairness, I don't think he was comparing Miller with anyone, just saying we have been a lesser team since he left. Possibly, I got side swiped by the 'same as the above mentioned players' bit. It's late and I'm an opinionated, argumentative fucker at the best of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Possibly, I got side swiped by the 'same as the above mentioned players' bit. It's late and I'm an opinionated, argumentative fucker at the best of times. Well I don't fucking think you are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajja Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Well I don't fucking think you are! Yes I fucking am. Who appointed you as the keeper of truth anyway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Yes I fucking am. Who appointed you as the keeper of truth anyway ? MBT, you really should get this sorta shit pre-approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gutted-dandy Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 hartley is "da man " no doubt , inspiration , heart and desire to win does it for me . he could lie in the middle of the park and sup on a pina collada and still put more into the team than any other cunt out there , I LOVE HARTLEY . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millertime Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Again, another dreadful comparison. Miller was so far from being a leader of men. Talented, possibly, but lazy and not bright enough to manage himself let alone a teams motivation. can i just clarify i wasnt saying zero was a captain-esque player, i was saying the word was we couldnt afford to have someone in the team who wasnt contributing 100% of the time i asked the same question of hartley, seeing as how i dont think he contributes at all in a playing sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14Fosters Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 can i just clarify i wasnt saying zero was a captain-esque player, i was saying the word was we couldnt afford to have someone in the team who wasnt contributing 100% of the time i asked the same question of hartley, seeing as how i dont think he contributes at all in a playing sense Doesn't contribute at all?! That is just a ridiculous statement. He doesn't contribute as much of as when he was at his best at Hearts, or his slightly less able but still very able at Celtic, but to question that he contributes less than any of the alternatives we currently have is stupid. He certainly contributes more than Young would there, and he still offers more than Jack looks like he could just now, so he should 100% be in the team when he is fit. Also, even if Aberdeen could find someone just now who could offer more in an attacking sense than Hartley does, it is nowhere near our most important area to sort, with all wide positions within the squad being problem areas at the current time. i asked the same question of hartley, seeing as how i dont think he contributes at all in a playing sense EDIT: To correct bad quotage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 can i just clarify i wasnt saying zero was a captain-esque player, i was saying the word was we couldnt afford to have someone in the team who wasnt contributing 100% of the time i asked the same question of hartley, seeing as how i dont think he contributes at all in a playing sense Now you're just being silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme_S Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Other than live TV games, I've only seen Hartely twice so far this season, and he was pretty poor in terms of his passing and obviously pace, but was also giving directions throughout and bawling out players who had made mistakes. so it basically is in line with what most of this thread has mentioned so far. what I'd take from this thread is that Ifil should stop practising his passing, which is clearly getting him nowhere, and learn how to shout and point a lot. maybe take a leadership course or read a self help book like "Inspiration: it starts from inside". he'll be a fan hero in no time (for those not blessed with a sarcasm gland, the above post is firmly tongue in cheek ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 well, he inspired me every time i watched him so much so, that i used to go to reserve games to see him (coming back from injury and ebbe dropping him!) He inspired me at the 2000 Cup Final as he sulked about being a sub and then started thumping a ball off the dug out. And then he inspired me as he dived and was booked at Dens Park in pretty much his last ever action for AFC. Inspired me to what I'd rather not say, but yes, Zero was a truly inspirational player for all around him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Tradesman Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 If Zero had of been called something like Smith or Buchan then I doubt he'd even have registered on anyone's radar. I've seen Mackie or Maguire score just as flamboyant goals as Zero and I've found myself just as frustrated as watching that pair as I did watching 'the Magician'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azteca1903 Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Hartley has always been a very classy player. I remember watching him several times for St Johnsotne and he was sticking out regularly - in fact I believe we had a chance to sign him when saints went down but we were being deliberately contrary by signing awful players on a pittance at the time. That he is slow and cumbersome now is unfortunate, but the fact is we would currently have no right to sign a player of his quality if he was still at his peak. His influence is undeniable however, and even in games where his passes are goung astray you know that he will still be making a nuisance of himself, something which can't be said of past midfielders. Add into the equation his leadership qualities and you get a player well worth having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millertime Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Hartley has always been a very classy player. I remember watching him several times for St Johnsotne and he was sticking out regularly - in fact I believe we had a chance to sign him when saints went down but we were being deliberately contrary by signing awful players on a pittance at the time. That he is slow and cumbersome now is unfortunate, but the fact is we would currently have no right to sign a player of his quality if he was still at his peak. His influence is undeniable however, and even in games where his passes are goung astray you know that he will still be making a nuisance of himself, something which can't be said of past midfielders. Add into the equation his leadership qualities and you get a player well worth having. thats what im saying, pretty much he is a shadow of the player he once was, but general consensus is his leadership qualities sees him through -fair enough as for the numpty saying theyve seen maguire or mackie produce as much magic as Zero did...shut your fucking mouths 5-1 against killie.....hat-trick at dens.....free-kick against st mirren....screamers against dundee utd and motherwell....Hicham Zerouali was indeed a magician and was THE most technically gifted player of my generation of supporting the dons the fans' adulation forhim even put a certain mr jess' nose out of joint, as the old story about Atlantic Telecom replacing his cardboard cut out with Zero's, goes to prove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 and was THE most technically gifted player of my generation of supporting the dons the fans' adulation forhim even put a certain mr jess' nose out of joint, as the old story about Atlantic Telecom replacing his cardboard cut out with Zero's, goes to prove Zero couldn't lace Jess's boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millertime Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 i dont agree lets not turn it into a "millertime hates jess" fiasco either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 i dont agree lets not turn it into a "millertime hates jess" fiasco either I had no idea you hated Jess. However, I think you've taken your love for Zero too far on this one. Jess was a better player, and by a distance, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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