TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 It was at best daft to say the basis of the thread was on one or two results. I happen to agree it was a mistake to change the formation of the team and even though Jager may be right about injuries we still have the players to ensure continuity with what was working pretty well for us. That said, there were some inexplicably poor performances that would have undermined any formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajja Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Ajja, you are my mate but get a fucking grip min! Do you really think I was in Inverurie locos social club celebrating when Higdon scored his goal? I was upset as every other Aberdeen fan so don't demean yersel by peddling pathetic arguments like people who dont love JC want us to lose. Stoneys point was we will do well if JC doesn't tinker with the team. I wasn't there yesterday thankfully, but I spoke to many folks who returned from the game and came to the reception we were at. Quotes like " I dinna ken fit the fuck he (JC) was playin at today" make me think he had one of his spells yesterday. You can call me an idiot if you want, but I know I'm not and you know I'm not - you are the only one left looking stupid as you are resorting to name calling. We can let this site fall into the way of afc-chat in petty name calling and entrenched views or we can accept that everyone has different views and different opinions. Settle down mate. Nobody suggested that you would be celebrating, that was a big leap to make. I have tried to stay away from the persistent appearances on here from Stoney when things are going poorly because I don't particularly mind the guy and didn't want to get sucked into the discussions. However, it just gets tiresome after a while. I am well aware that everyone wants the best for Aberdeen (as you well know) but there has to be a point where you seek to understand the bigger picture rather than constantly reacting to the downs of our team like they are wholly representative of our fortunes and automatically map future performance. I have my doubts about Calderwood, always have. However, I understand that there are many variables at play here and his limitations, along with those of the players are only one part of the rich tapestry that is Aberdeen FC. If people want to live in the simplistic world where a few simple decisions made correctly that the entire management of the club have failed to see will alter our fortunes then they are welcome to do so. However, don't expect others who believe things to be more complex and multi-layered to provide fertile ground for these simplistic rantings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizer Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Settle down mate. Nobody suggested that you would be celebrating, that was a big leap to make. I have tried to stay away from the persistent appearances on here from Stoney when things are going poorly because I don't particularly mind the guy and didn't want to get sucked into the discussions. However, it just gets tiresome after a while. I am well aware that everyone wants the best for Aberdeen (as you well know) but there has to be a point where you seek to understand the bigger picture rather than constantly reacting to the downs of our team like they are wholly representative of our fortunes and automatically map future performance. I have my doubts about Calderwood, always have. However, I understand that there are many variables at play here and his limitations, along with those of the players are only one part of the rich tapestry that is Aberdeen FC. If people want to live in the simplistic world where a few simple decisions made correctly that the entire management of the club have failed to see will alter our fortunes then they are welcome to do so. However, don't expect others who believe things to be more complex and multi-layered to provide fertile ground for these simplistic rantings. Dont worry mate, you just got the brunt of me drinking for ten hours in a prolonged attempt to get home from Aberdeen. You may have been aiming it at Stoney but that idea of people who don't like Jimmy like to see us lose is wheeled quite often and it is ridiculous. My point was that everyone was happy enough to jump on the bandwagon after the Celtic game (myself included - see edinurghdons sig) after a couple of poor games at the start of the year. However, after losing to a struggling team and I presume a similar performance to that of Hamilton, he cant come on and say his bit? You eloquently described one of the problems the Aberdeen support have with JC a few months back - the lack of consistency. Again we are all asking where did the excellent performance for the Celtic game and a decent one for the Rangers game come from and where did those performances go for Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajja Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Dont worry mate, you just got the brunt of me drinking for ten hours in a prolonged attempt to get home from Aberdeen. You may have been aiming it at Stoney but that idea of people who don't like Jimmy like to see us lose is wheeled quite often and it is ridiculous. My point was that everyone was happy enough to jump on the bandwagon after the Celtic game (myself included - see edinurghdons sig) after a couple of poor games at the start of the year. However, after losing to a struggling team and I presume a similar performance to that of Hamilton, he cant come on and say his bit? You eloquently described one of the problems the Aberdeen support have with JC a few months back - the lack of consistency. Again we are all asking where did the excellent performance for the Celtic game and a decent one for the Rangers game come from and where did those performances go for Saturday. We're all a little tense just now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkie Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 We're still in with a good chance of qualifying for Europe next season, we've had some very good team performances over the past month or so, and Chris Crichton decides to write this bullshit after 1 poor performance? Cunt. I long for the day when all Aberdeen fans get right behind the team and the management and give their full backing. Admittedly I'm probably kidding myself. Apologies for the hijack, Ally S, but I think you have missed the point. It is PRECISELY BECAUSE there have been "very good team performances over the past month or so" that this had to be written. Did you notice anything about those performances? There were four players in the defence, and four in midfield, and the vast majority of those involved were playing in their natural positions. Since Gary McDonald went on against Motherwell and scored with his first touch, Aberdeen won 7 and drew 1 of 9 matches playing 4-4-2. Mr Calderwood elected to change to 3-5-2 to counteract the second-bottom team in the league who had not beaten Aberdeen in 13 attempts since their last promotion, and lost. Personally I don't think expressing frustration at that peculiar and unnecessary decision counts as "bullshit". Hey-ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ally s Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Apologies for the hijack, Ally S, but I think you have missed the point. It is PRECISELY BECAUSE there have been "very good team performances over the past month or so" that this had to be written. Did you notice anything about those performances? There were four players in the defence, and four in midfield, and the vast majority of those involved were playing in their natural positions. Since Gary McDonald went on against Motherwell and scored with his first touch, Aberdeen won 7 and drew 1 of 9 matches playing 4-4-2. Mr Calderwood elected to change to 3-5-2 to counteract the second-bottom team in the league who had not beaten Aberdeen in 13 attempts since their last promotion, and lost. Personally I don't think expressing frustration at that peculiar and unnecessary decision counts as "bullshit". Hey-ho. I haven't missed the point. If Crichton bothered his arse weighing up the good against the bad then he'd soon see his criticism of JC was harsh to say the least. For your info we didn't play 4-4-2 in all of those 9 matches either. I hate the kneejerk reaction every time we put in a poor performance after a good wee run, we're not fuckin world beaters. We will have games where we're well below par. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkie Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I haven't missed the point. If Crichton bothered his arse weighing up the good against the bad then he'd soon see his criticism of JC was harsh to say the least. For your info we didn't play 4-4-2 in all of those 9 matches either. I hate the kneejerk reaction every time we put in a poor performance after a good wee run, we're not fuckin world beaters. We will have games where we're well below par. Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion. In which of those nine games, though, did Aberdeen play three at the back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 It wasn't what you could even remotely term a balanced article. Could have been written by a committee of the usual suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion. In which of those nine games, though, did Aberdeen play three at the back? You mean you don't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkie Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 You mean you don't know? Nope. I mean it didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Nope. I mean it didn't happen. The problem with the 'play 4-4-2 every game approach' is that it is over simplistic and doesnt take any account of the oppositions set up which could see a 5 man midfield over running our 4 or a 1 man attack being over defended. Sometimes tactics have to change, live with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizer Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I hate the kneejerk reaction every time we put in a poor performance after a good wee run, we're not fuckin world beaters. We will have games where we're well below par. Do you hate knee-jerk reactions when we pump Celtic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajja Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 The problem with the 'play 4-4-2 every game approach' is that it is over simplistic and doesnt take any account of the oppositions set up which could see a 5 man midfield over running our 4 or a 1 man attack being over defended. Sometimes tactics have to change, live with it. ....a la Pittodrie in the first half against Rangers. Ally S sums it up exactly when he said 'we are not world beaters'. Expectations have to be checked by some people. These guys are all just human beings like the rest of us. They are not at the top of their profession, not even close to it so we have to accept that they under perform from time to time. Oh and Chris, could you not have thought up a better name than Merkie to critique your own article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkie Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Wasn't critiquing it, merely addressing comments made about it by someone else. Having been called a c**t and the writer of bulls**t I wouldn't say it's out of order to have a right of reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajja Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Wasn't critiquing it, merely addressing comments made about it by someone else. Having been called a c**t and the writer of bulls**t I wouldn't say it's out of order to have a right of reply. Wouldn't argue with that. Your opinion is as valid as anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkie Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 so were yer reasons for Aluko being dropped not bullshit? Don't think anyone was aware of an "injury" to Aluko before the match. Whether you believe there was one or not is a matter of opinion. But at the very worst you could call it 'inaccurate'. Bulls**t is rather pejorative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 Wasn't critiquing it, merely addressing comments made about it by someone else. Having been called a c**t and the writer of bulls**t I wouldn't say it's out of order to have a right of reply. There were some very valid points made in the article but the whole tone of the piece and some of the terms used as well as, frankly, incorrect statements clouded it completely as any kind of balanced criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 Don't think anyone was aware of an "injury" to Aluko before the match. Whether you believe there was one or not is a matter of opinion. But at the very worst you could call it 'inaccurate'. Bulls**t is rather pejorative. And despite not knowing either the writer of the article felt the need to imply he had been dropped for being out of form whilst "out of position". Which is, with all due respect and by any measure you wish to judge it by, bullshit. I really am bewildered by such articles, Michael Gannon produced a piece in a very similar tone several months ago. I presume it is meant to resonate with a similarly reactionary, ill-informed and noisy minority support that AFC seem to specialise in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntbear Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Do you hate knee-jerk reactions when we pump Celtic? Yes, stoney said we played them off the park - that is knee jerk. We didn't play them off the park. Does that answer your question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtS Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 It's obvious to me that the scenes of jubilation when we beat Celtic were conjoured up by a team very much punching above it's weight. That's what makes these results so special, it doesn't hapen all the time, and the fans know that these are rare and magical moments. The reality, however frustrating it may be, is that no club outside the OF have a squad capable of guaranteeing victory week-in, week-out. Calderwood has done great things season after season, giving us some extraordinary highs (and a few devastating lows) along the way. We've called it a roller coaster on here before, the big afc dipper being driven by a man who only half the kids trust not to crash. Up's and down's chaps - just hold on and enjoy the ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octavion Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 It's obvious to me that the scenes of jubilation when we beat Celtic were conjoured up by a team very much punching above it's weight. That's what makes these results so special, it doesn't hapen all the time, and the fans know that these are rare and magical moments. The reality, however frustrating it may be, is that no club outside the OF have a squad capable of guaranteeing victory week-in, week-out. Calderwood has done great things season after season, giving us some extraordinary highs (and a few devastating lows) along the way. We've called it a roller coaster on here before, the big afc dipper being driven by a man who only half the kids trust not to crash. Up's and down's chaps - just hold on and enjoy the ride. I think CTS is hitting it right on the head, everyone of us would love us to be on top form day after day but it is simply not going to happen. JC is doing his best with the team he has got and hence the rollercoster. But i will say this that at home with the fans behind them our lads lift themselfs mightily ( eg. celtic game ) I think that should be remebered when you done the colours and go to support the team , Too often has some of our so called fans turned quickly on the team when thay are crying out for that boost of support from the fans . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ally s Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Do you hate knee-jerk reactions when we pump Celtic? I think you've missed the point completely mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Tradesman Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Just skimming through this (largely because it reeks of the Hat-Chat pish)..... Are we really to believe that JC made up Aluko's injury because he never mentioned it before the game? Surely alerting the opposition to a player's injury would be like an open invitation to make sure he wasn't going to cause any problems. As for the age old "not playing players in their own position" and "tinkering with formations". Can the über-fans please tell me which back 4 they would have used at the weekend when Zander and Considine wasn't available (granted maybe JC lied that Andy was suspended and Zander injured ), Seve is a midfielder and Foster, well, just isn't. Come on. Back 4. Preferred positions. Who? Eh? Hmmmmm..... We went on a fantastic run of games and there's nothing in that performance that tells me the next one isn't right round the corner. One goal, that was it. Yet the Hat crew must have been sitting there simmering under waiting for the first slip up. Fucking idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 It's obvious to me that the scenes of jubilation when we beat Celtic were conjoured up by a team very much punching above it's weight. That's what makes these results so special, it doesn't hapen all the time, and the fans know that these are rare and magical moments. The reality, however frustrating it may be, is that no club outside the OF have a squad capable of guaranteeing victory week-in, week-out. Calderwood has done great things season after season, giving us some extraordinary highs (and a few devastating lows) along the way. We've called it a roller coaster on here before, the big afc dipper being driven by a man who only half the kids trust not to crash. Up's and down's chaps - just hold on and enjoy the ride. EDIT: ST - Vidal, Mair, Seve (who is now very much a centre half) and Foster. What's so difficult about that? I don't agree that we "were very much punching above our weight". If that's the case, we wouldn't have got a result against them last season and had several good results against the huns in recent seasons. I fully admit of course that in the grand scheme of things Celtic will beat us more than we beat them but I think terming our victory as "very much punching above our weight" does our players a dis-service and gives too much credit to a comparitively very poor Celtic side. I said on here at the weekend that we'll now probably go and beat Hearts at Tynie next week such has been our ability to bounce back under JC after a setback like Saturday's. But, there does have to come a point where he shows more faith in his side. We are a better side than Falkirk, of that there is no doubt so let them worry about us. If we start the game in our usual formation and they're dominating, then change it then. I know on this site we are generally opposed to the JMG'ers, but that doesn't mean we can't say the guy got it wrong on Saturday. We all make mistakes, there's no shame in admitting it. We are susceptible to these sort of results, I fully understand that, but there does come a point that for the sake of our progression they have to be ironed out. We have been doing really well, but we always have to be aiming for better. By the sounds of it, most of our players just didn't turn up on Saturday and that isn't JC's fault and shows how inconsistent our players can be. But give them a chance, play a consistent formation which will only help them find the required level of consistency over the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Come on. Back 4. Preferred positions. Who? Eh? Hmmmmm..... Fucking idiots. Vidal, Mair, Seve (who is very much a CH now) and Foster. Not that hard, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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