Kilmarnock v Aberdeen

[RicoS321]

4 minutes ago, The.Moog said:

Maybe, but that had all the hallmarks of a ref itching for the chance to send him off. It was obvious. Should have taken him off

Again, I've probably said that a dozen times when Shinnie has been concerned and been wrong each time. It's easy to criticise Leven, but Shinnie was the only midfielder on that pitch pulling his weight and there's not a single midfielder on the bench that could replace him unfortunately. Where I think Leven made the error was (as @OrlandoDon suggests) not taking off any of the other midfielders to give Shinnie some help in there.

[The.Moog]

6 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Again, I've probably said that a dozen times when Shinnie has been concerned and been wrong each time. It's easy to criticise Leven, but Shinnie was the only midfielder on that pitch pulling his weight and there's not a single midfielder on the bench that could replace him unfortunately. Where I think Leven made the error was (as @OrlandoDon suggests) not taking off any of the other midfielders to give Shinnie some help in there.

Well he got sent off - and as you said it was for fuck all.

Why? Because the ref was dying to send him off. It was obvious.

Hence, he should have been subbed…

[irnbru1903]

Killie were howling for a booking for Shinnie in the first half as he barged over one of their players. He would have been off then. It would have been soft but what it should have been was a warning to our idiot manager that Shinnie shows no restraint and should have been saved for another day. 

[2stars]

Afeez or Kjartan will need to start Wednesday-Auchiche away to Schalke apparently 

[OrlandoDon]

14 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Nothing in that challenge met the threshold for a red, and I'm not convinced at all they met the threshold for a yellow. There was absolutely zero force in an accidental collision. He's actively trying to pull out of the way of the player. The only thing it could be a yellow for is repeated fouling, but I'm fairly certain he only had one innocuous foul after his booking. A red is a fucking terrible decision. Really bad refereeing.

It’s a yellow at least, need to see it again but, intentionally or not, it’s a high tackle, studs up, and contact made. You can throw in persistent fouling, although while not persistent, he may have been warned that he was close. Shinnie can’t avoid tackling, that’s where leven has to have the stones to sub his captain. Agree shinnie was the only midfielder on the park, but that’s where leven earns his paycheck. It’s defeatist to say leave shinnie there cos the rest are shit, solve the problem. Put lobban to right back, devlin to center defense, and sivert at holding mid. That’s one suggestion.  Far from ideal but sivert is experienced and can sit in that position, huge hole in there all day, bigger as a result of going down to 10. Not game to throw on Kjarten either when down to 10. That’s piss poor management.

[THFN1983]

Piss poor for all involved, not one player or Leven gets anywhere near a pass mark as from the very first whistle we were second best to every ball and Killie have dominated us and scoring 3, which actually could and should be more.

As other have said, at least this confirms that Leven will not be retained as the manager as his decision making simply wasn't there at all and he was outthought by McCann.

So many players still need to be shipped out including, but not limited to, Devlin, Mitov, Shinnie, Bilalovic & Nilsen. 

We had a great performance and result against Livvy but what todays performance has shown us is that Livvy was the exception in an otherwise piss poor run.

God help us when Celtic line up against us on Wed as it's undoubtedly going to be Ebbe levels of goals conceded.

[RicoS321]

4 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

It’s a yellow at least, need to see it again but, intentionally or not, it’s a high tackle, studs up, and contact made. You can throw in persistent fouling, although while not persistent, he may have been warned that he was close. Shinnie can’t avoid tackling, that’s where leven has to have the stones to sub his captain. Agree shinnie was the only midfielder on the park, but that’s where leven earns his paycheck. It’s defeatist to say leave shinnie there cos the rest are shit, solve the problem. Put lobban to right back, devlin to center defense, and sivert at holding mid. That’s one suggestion.  Far from ideal but sivert is experienced and can sit in that position, huge hole in there all day, bigger as a result of going down to 10. Not game to throw on Kjarten either when down to 10. That’s piss poor management.

It's not defeatist. Shinnie is very, very good at playing on a booking. Your suggestion is a decent one, but Nilsen would have left us very short in midfield too. Leven took a calculated gamble that didn't pay off. Given the options, and past evidence of Shinnie's ability to avoid reds, I don't think it was a ridiculous decision. 

[Don Julio]

Awful afternoon.

Grasping at straws, but I thought Nilsen did well at CB. That’s my only positive.

[2stars]

Just now, Don Julio said:

Awful afternoon.

Grasping at straws, but I thought Nilsen did well at CB. That’s my only positive.

Relatively composed compared to the rest but so slow to react at the 3rd goal

 

[THFN1983]

New manager required in position NOW!!!!

New goalkeeper and centre back pairing against Celtic? 

As for today's game, after the first couple of minutes of play it was an completely expected result and the only positive is that our GD didn't take more of a battering.

Fingers crossed before the window slams shut that a few players are out the door regardless of any more new players coming in.

[OrlandoDon]

2 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

It's not defeatist. Shinnie is very, very good at playing on a booking. Your suggestion is a decent one, but Nilsen would have left us very short in midfield too. Leven took a calculated gamble that didn't pay off. Given the options, and past evidence of Shinnie's ability to avoid reds, I don't think it was a ridiculous decision. 

As you’ve said before, aouchiche puts in a shift. Yank Armstrong and shinnie and have sivert and aouchiche in midfield. Ha, just realized he wasn’t on the bench. I’d even put Jensen in there, he works, not a big fan but we needed change and energy in central midfield. While Cameron was poor, he’ll work too, a bit of motivating from leven at half time needed. 
rapidly losing faith in Armstrong, more cold than hot most games. shit daybreak ruins the weekend! 
fucked in central defense, hope knoester isn’t bad but certainly looks like an issue. Morrison didn’t look particularly good but tough game to judge. Expect to see sivert at the back a bunch and another defensive loan come in.

aouchiche to schalke, if true i assume another big wage off the books. Wouldn’t mind seeing Marshall recalled if that’s the case.

[swaddon]

Fucking shite.

[The.Moog]

Aberdeen FC should not be losing 3-0 to anyone in Scotland. Anyone.

Let alone Kilmarnock, let alone this Kilmarnock team.

Out managed by Neil fuckin McCann

Losing to a team with Kelle fuckin Roos in nets - and letting him get a clean sheet too. Jesus wept.

No point doing a match summary, would take far more effort than any of those wasters put in today.

New players, but same old, same old.

There’s something fundamentally wrong with the culture of this club - has been for decades tbh as we’ve seen results and performances like this time and time again…

[irnbru1903]

That was an eye opener today. Excluding anyone under 20 I wouldn't be adverse to a total clearout starting at the top. The attitude at this club stinks. 

[OrlandoDon]

9 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

It's not defeatist. Shinnie is very, very good at playing on a booking. Your suggestion is a decent one, but Nilsen would have left us very short in midfield too. Leven took a calculated gamble that didn't pay off. Given the options, and past evidence of Shinnie's ability to avoid reds, I don't think it was a ridiculous decision. 

I don’t know about you saying shinnie good on a booking. Maybe, or maybe in the past, but too many factors against him today. Center mid to start and not left back, chasing a game with a shit team performance, chasing a game from behind, and a very early booking, plus killie were hounding for a red prior to that and attention was on him. Add age, the legs, stretching, and his temper/inability to stand up versus commit to tackles. Not like it was a goal saving tackle in the box too.

It’s was clear and obvious for all to see he should have been subbed at half time at the latest.

[ErchiePlum]

Horrendous ! that third goal summed us up.

Hopefully Azfeez Aremu clearance will.be through in time for him to get stuck into celtic with the physically and aggression we have been promised ...otherwise it may be a long night

[RicoS321]

3 minutes ago, THFN1983 said:

New manager required in position NOW!!!!

New goalkeeper and centre back pairing against Celtic? 

As for today's game, after the first couple of minutes of play it was an completely expected result and the only positive is that our GD didn't take more of a battering.

Fingers crossed before the window slams shut that a few players are out the door regardless of any more new players coming in.

Aye, the Tims game will be a disaster. I'm not sure the purpose in Morrison as a signing. We needed an experienced defender on loan and we've got another Dorrington (but worse), young lad still learning. The fact that we'll have to play him on his wrong foot too is disastrous. Our midfield might have the new lad, but Armstrong and Cameron are not going to make up the legs and strength in there. Out wide, Bilalovic or Olusanya aren't disciplined defensively. The recipe for a doing. I'd probably keep Leven in post just to take the hit!

[RicoS321]

14 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

As you’ve said before, aouchiche puts in a shift. Yank Armstrong and shinnie and have sivert and aouchiche in midfield. Ha, just realized he wasn’t on the bench. I’d even put Jensen in there, he works, not a big fan but we needed change and energy in central midfield. While Cameron was poor, he’ll work too, a bit of motivating from leven at half time needed. 
rapidly losing faith in Armstrong, more cold than hot most games. shit daybreak ruins the weekend! 
fucked in central defense, hope knoester isn’t bad but certainly looks like an issue. Morrison didn’t look particularly good but tough game to judge. Expect to see sivert at the back a bunch and another defensive loan come in.

aouchiche to schalke, if true i assume another big wage off the books. Wouldn’t mind seeing Marshall recalled if that’s the case.

That's exactly the sub I'd have made if Aouchiche had been an option. Jensen could have been okay, but that would have been a huge gamble. I think Leven is getting too much hassle for keeping Shinnie on without acknowledging the fact that his options were extremely limited. Shinnie is probably on about 60 bookings in his Dons career and had perhaps three reds, maybe four? He's had at least two early bookings this season and not been sent off. It wasn't a black and white call for Leven, he was between a rock and a hard place. Especially with Knoester off and having a lad playing his first game at the back. 

[THFN1983]

13 minutes ago, ErchiePlum said:

Horrendous ! that third goal summed us up.

Hopefully Azfeez Aremu clearance will.be through in time for him to get stuck into celtic with the physically and aggression we have been promised ...otherwise it may be a long night

The problem is, do you honestly think that an aggressive player in an AFC shirt won't see red if it's aggression shown against Celtic players??? Especially after one of their players received a red card in their last Prem fixture.

[OrlandoDon]

8 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Aye, the Tims game will be a disaster. I'm not sure the purpose in Morrison as a signing. We needed an experienced defender on loan and we've got another Dorrington (but worse), young lad still learning. The fact that we'll have to play him on his wrong foot too is disastrous. Our midfield might have the new lad, but Armstrong and Cameron are not going to make up the legs and strength in there. Out wide, Bilalovic or Olusanya aren't disciplined defensively. The recipe for a doing. I'd probably keep Leven in post just to take the hit!

Your comment ant the end is almost what I expect, leven until the summer. Poor squad, difficult run of fixtures, minimal confidence, if the new guy doesn’t hit the ground running fuck knows what would happen.

[THFN1983]

2 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Your comment ant the end is almost what I expect, leven until the summer. Poor squad, difficult run of fixtures, minimal confidence, if the new guy doesn’t hit the ground running fuck knows what would happen.

I kinda look at it the other way. We're miles ahead of Livvy so automatic relegation isn't going to happen and we should be far enough ahead of the other teams that finishing 11th shouldn't be a concern either.

Let a new manager come in, drop the previously undroppable players, and set his stall out early doors that he's calling the shots. We can't, regardless of manager, we seriously CAN'T rely on the likes of Mitov, Shinnie, Nilsen, Devlin and others that have been mentioned by other posters to save anything from this season.

[Shetland Don]

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Used to try to get a game in whenever I was travelling through Aberdeen for work. Saw a game around a month ago but I’m not going back to watch this shite. Awful product and really, really boring too.