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I'm not sure we were unlucky to be honest Rico and would take issue with your point about Shinnie being motm. His stupid challenge led to the first goal and he missed a glaring header to make it 1-1, that to me is not motm stuff. Devlin will have to up his game as well because he's not playing for Livi anymore. At the end of the day, he is a defender and handed the first goal on a plate then was very lucky not to have given away a penalty in the second half for his clumsy challenge on one of the jappy guys. Amazed it did not get looked at by the VAR people. Yes, we had a couple of chances but Celtic missed a great opportunity straight from the kick off after one of the goals. We also got off the hook when Kyogo missed a sitter. Got to be more streetwise in these big games and start being horrible to play against. People seem almost accepting of the defeat yesterday because it was an exciting game, which is missing the point. That is exactly what Celtic want it to be, an end to end bonnie fitba contest. The teams that do well against the Old Firm this season won't play like we played yesterday because they know they will get wiped off the park. A horrible 0-0 would have helped the confidence much more than playing well and still getting soundly beaten.

Massive chance missed there by Shinnie. Should be 1-1

You're totally misunderstanding my point. There is no debate that a club needs to make money, that has always been the case. My point is that all of that used to be a concern for the boardroom, not the stands. I cannot remember in the past, anyone saying to me that a great European run will bring in loads of cash, it was only ever all about what was happening on the pitch. It's now like everyone's turned into the club accountant, getting the buzz about making £5M from playing a few games abroad or similarly about how much we can flog the star player for. It just seems strange to me why fans are suddenly so interested in this kind of thing when it was never a consideration in the past. You don't get an open topped bus down Union Street for earning a few million in Europe.

Couldn't agree more with you on this SeeBass. I don't know when fans started this fascination about how much their team could make from doing well in certain competitions, how much they could sell their star player for or how much their club's net transfer spend was compared to their rivals. Does anyone know how much money the club made from winning the cup winners cup? Of course they don't, no one cared. We are now in an era where fans seem to be more obsessed with whether their club can make an extra few million by getting through an extra round in Europe than whether they can actually lift a domestic trophy. I get the impression people have forgotten why they started to watch fitba in the first place. Absolutely this Rico.

A man in denial surely. Someone told me you go down there every Friday night

No, you are probably right there Rico, pot 3 is definitely missing a real big gun. Brighton I guess would be similar to drawing Ipswich in the 80s maybe, does not have the glamour of a trip to Anfield but it would still be an exciting tie. The Burnley tie a few years ago was a great occasion.

Nah, surely not? I'd far rather take a Europa League group with Roma, PSV and Brighton than the Conference League with Ferencvaros, Zorya and Tel Aviv. Got to be the glamour ties all the way unless you are a club with a genuine chance at winning the competition.

I know what you are saying and yes, everyone needs to sell the odd player to balance the books. There is a time and a place though and now is neither. The Europa qualifier could be worth a fortune to us, much more than the Ramadani transfer fee. It's a false economy and short term chasing of the coin.

This is an example of why I did not want the club to start plundering the foreign market in a big way. Really don’t see what has been achieved in this instance. Yes, we may have made a few quid (assuming he goes obviously) but that is very short termist. We’ve spent time and money scouting this guy, spent time bedding him into the side just to flog him a few weeks before what is potentially our most important game of the season in the Europa qualifier. Cormack is only seeing the pound signs with recruiting all of these foreigners in my opinion. In the long term the team only gets worse by selling your best players.

I don’t share the view that it’s a lack of loyalty SeeBass. By accepting the offer, the club is saying we want to sell you, the player is just going to who is prepared to pay for him. The club could easily just say no, he is under contract and not for sale.

Got to be a first. Two players named Devlin making their debuts for their new clubs against their old clubs, in the same game. Couldn't make it up. I have a feeling we will absolutely hammer them. Must say, this is the most optimistic about a season that I have been for a number of years. The lack of Scots in our team still bugs me but I can see this being a good season. Going for a 4-0 win. 50/1 if anyone is tempted

Watched this earlier as it popped up on youtube. Maybe some of you have see it before, if not, it's great viewing. Could never imagine anything like this being allowed to happen nowadays. Clough must have been a brilliant soap opera back in the day.

Rumour has it that after the 9-0 scoreline at Turra the other week, the football monitoring board felt the scoreboard needed to be made a priority so that we can keep track of the mountainous number of goals the team will be racking up during the coming weeks

I’ll be honest. Women’s fitba is shite. I’m watching none of it

Saudi super league starting to look serious. Mahrez and Henderson away there now. Wonder who the first top player/mercenary will be who goes there in their prime? Mbappe? Neymar?

First half last night was a decent contest, second was rather farcical after Turra tired. Made me think how difficult it must be to get defenders and keepers properly ready for the new season as we play only two testing games before Livi. Last night and against the Broch the defenders basically just walk about and we could probably manage without a goalie. Must be hard to get up to speed for the likes of Williams, Roos and co. No sign of Anthony Stewart anywhere last night.

Apparently he has a £16M buy out clause in his contract. On that basis I would not let him leave for any less.

Seemed to be one of the most positive people you would ever hear. He always thought we could win, even when you used to hear him as a pundit post retirement and he was asked to comment on an upcoming Scotland game. Most people would have us written off but wee Craig always had a "sneaky feeling" Scotland would do it. Yesterday made me think how bizarre international football management is in a lot of ways. Managing your country was always viewed as the highest honour and we had people like Stein, Ferguson, Smith etc who have done it yet we appointed a man whose only club job had been at Clyde. He also seemed a bit short changed to have done so well with the national team yet came out of it to a job at Preston, you would have thought a club at a higher level may have taken a punt on him.

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You're spot on BigAl, no one is laughing SeeBass and this thread has veered offline somewhat from the original point. Truth is SeeBass, we are all fans of the club whether we live in King Street or in Adelaide. Some are ABLE to make it to the game more often than others and some CHOOSE to go to games more than others but in my opinion that does not necessarily mean either are bigger fans than others, more important fans or fake fans. I think what most are trying to get across to you in their posts is that the most sensible way the club can assess loyalty if you like, is to reward people who attend games most regularly. Unfortunately the club cannot speak to every single fan to establish their circumstances and compile a loyalty ranking list. It's maybe not a perfect scenario and inevitably there will be cases where people miss out on a match ticket but as the saying goes, you cannot please everyone all of the time. I must admit it does wrangle with me when people buy a season ticket and don't go to half the games meaning that their seat is tied up for others but I guess that is their prerogative to do so should they wish.

Nah, not saying players are past it in their 30s but certainly past their peak. Difficult to say how many years Shinnie could go on for, no one has a crystal ball of course. Your Shearer example is fine but he was great for his first couple of seasons, cannot think he would have scored many goals for us past 32 yrs of age but I'd be interested to find out. My point was more to do with Shinnie's ability than age really. He's a decent player, don't get me wrong but all of the "he's one of our own" stuff clouds our supporters views in my opinion. A fantastic leader, yes but he doesn't create anything, is not some brilliant passer of the ball and does not score many goals. Might be a controversial opinion but I don't think there would be a great clamour to sign him if he was a Hearts or Hibs player for example. I hope he stays on but I would not push the boat out to keep him.

I don't think it's a big deal whether or no he signs to be honest. We are talking about someone who is turning 32 shortly who we might get a couple of decent seasons out of, he's not Lionel Messi and more relevant is that he's also not the 28 year old Graeme Shinnie who departed in 2019. If we can't get him on a free just move on and make other plans. It might be a good time to bring one of the youngsters through.

Like some have said SeeBass, it's only natural that more people will turn up when the team is doing well and the entertainment level is higher. There are a lot of things out there for people to spend their hard earned cash on and if the "product" is crap then a lot of people are just not going to bother. In the same way as if a musician releases a rubbish album, people don't buy it and don't go to the concert. I see nothing fake in that, it is personal choice. It's great that you continue to support the club through thick and thin though and good on you for that.

Are Wrexham legends entering a team after their 12-0 win against the US?

There was a point, I think it must have been during Ebbe's illustrious reign, that I'm sure we had not scored for about a hundred games and an Andy Dow goal (remember him ) was treated as if we had just won the league. Cannot recall who it was even against but we were very, very shite at the time.