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Offline RicoS321

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Re: Todays fitba
« Reply #9020 on: April 01, 2019, 02:00:35 PM »
The propaganda machine now carefully referring to it as a shove:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47775433

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It is a shove though. It's of the push variety. Nobody would actually punch like that unless they're a total fanny. It's aggressive and worthy of a 2 game ban, but nothing in the lik suggests otherwise.

Annoyingly, you've used the phrase "propaganda machine". There are some excellent examples of this in the BBC, but this clearly isn't one of them and it makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist when you use examples like this. It's actually a very impartial phrase to use. They've attached the clip where the pundits agree that it should end in retrospective punishment. It's pretty standard journalism. If anything, "punch" would be sensationalist tabloid pish.

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« Reply #9021 on: April 01, 2019, 02:19:45 PM »
Was Freddo's sending off yesterday not very similar to the McKenna incident at the start of the season? A wee nibble (provoktion as Stevie would say) from Brown resulting in a lash out which may not have fully connected or caused injury but a lash out nonetheless. Exactly the same as what happened with McKenna. In both instances Morelos was sent off. The difference is that this time he's not being defended. Kris Boyd tore him a new arsehole at half time and Stevie G said that "he's let the club down again". He used the word "again" which implies that he feels he's let the club down in the past. But Rangers have appealed the vast majority if not all of the cards he's received that they're allowed to appeal. So they're appealing despite knowing he was in the wrong. No surprise in that. Nothing we didn't already know but it does irk me a little that Brown is "clever" for trying to wind up a known hot head when it was McKenna's "provoktion" that resulted in the red Morelos was shown at Pittodrie being rescinded in an unprecedented move. Having said that it was hugely amusing viewing. The icing on the cake would've been a booking for McGregor (hun) that I had on at 11/1.

It's similar to McKenna's one, but the actual hit out is with excessive force given that it's in Brown's face (without even looking) and a decentish clout, so it's completely consistent with the rules.

Totally agree with the bit in bold, that was my first thought as soon as I heard the comments without having to think. Again, it's fucking frustrating that proper journalism can't take place - that question should have been immediately posed to Gerrard.

In terms of Brown being "clever", I actually don't think that he was even trying to be clever in that incident. I assume he would have thought he had to be significantly more clever in order to get a reaction, it was embarrassingly inoccuous

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Re: Todays fitba
« Reply #9022 on: April 01, 2019, 02:28:06 PM »
Annoyingly, you've used the phrase "propaganda machine". There are some excellent examples of this in the BBC, but this clearly isn't one of them and it makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist when you use examples like this. It's actually a very impartial phrase to use. They've attached the clip where the pundits agree that it should end in retrospective punishment. It's pretty standard journalism. If anything, "punch" would be sensationalist tabloid pish.

Semantics. His use of "propaganda machine" was neither annoying nor misused in my opinion.

Your use of "conspiracy theorist" boils my goat however. This term is used to discredit anyone who dares to question the established order of things, or indeed to question the real propaganda put out by the deep state and/or the presstitute media as if none of us are allowed to challenge convention.
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« Reply #9023 on: April 01, 2019, 02:44:43 PM »
Semantics. His use of "propaganda machine" was neither annoying nor misused in my opinion.

Your use of "conspiracy theorist" boils my goat however. This term is used to discredit anyone who dares to question the established order of things, or indeed to question the real propaganda put out by the deep state and/or the presstitute media as if none of us are allowed to challenge convention.

Not when I use it isn't, hence why I added context. In the context of this particular incident it is misuse in my opinion. Why it annoys me is because when you use a term as loaded as "propaganda machine" you have to be specific and accurate. In my opinion, the term (conspiracy theorist) gets used to discredit anyone (and I agree that it does, and it also annoys me) because of the platitudinal nature of the accusations that get thrown about lazily without evidence. It basically gives people the opportunity to lazily reply with the term "conspiracy theorist" to anyone questioning the established order of things. It's like crying wolf. If you want to question "the deep state and/or presstitute media", then do you think it's advisable to give them easy fodder like this? In my opinion, you immediately put off your reader and you hurt those who bother to provide more in depth examples. Is the BBC used as a propaganda machine? Yes. Is this an example of that? Absolutely not. Not even slightly. To me, a conspiracy theorist is one who finds an agenda in absolutely everything and refuses to take any other point of view (I'm not suggesting that is you, Tyrant). A conspiracy theorist is not someone who questions the extablishment. I find it a very easy distinction to make, and it is very much possible for one person to be/do both (me. probably).

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Re: Todays fitba
« Reply #9024 on: April 01, 2019, 03:26:32 PM »
It is a shove though. It's of the push variety. Nobody would actually punch like that unless they're a total fanny. It's aggressive and worthy of a 2 game ban, but nothing in the lik suggests otherwise.

Annoyingly, you've used the phrase "propaganda machine". There are some excellent examples of this in the BBC, but this clearly isn't one of them and it makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist when you use examples like this. It's actually a very impartial phrase to use. They've attached the clip where the pundits agree that it should end in retrospective punishment. It's pretty standard journalism. If anything, "punch" would be sensationalist tabloid pish.


At the time it looked like a punch (or attempted punch that Brown tried to evade) and since then I've seen it described as a punch or a lash-out but never a shove until I saw the article linked. Speaking of sounding like a conspiracy theorist I put it to you that if that had been McKenna or Cosgrove for example the more sensationalist terms would be used wherever possible. Appeasement efforts seem to double when either of the cheeks are involved.


It's similar to McKenna's one, but the actual hit out is with excessive force given that it's in Brown's face (without even looking) and a decentish clout, so it's completely consistent with the rules.

Totally agree with the bit in bold, that was my first thought as soon as I heard the comments without having to think. Again, it's fucking frustrating that proper journalism can't take place - that question should have been immediately posed to Gerrard.

In terms of Brown being "clever", I actually don't think that he was even trying to be clever in that incident. I assume he would have thought he had to be significantly more clever in order to get a reaction, it was embarrassingly inoccuous


I don't think Brown would've dreamed that it would work so quickly. I'm sure he expected it to take more winding up before Morelos reverted to type and lashed out. I don't doubt that every single manager tells his players to wind up the silly cunt.

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Re: Todays fitba
« Reply #9025 on: April 01, 2019, 05:26:31 PM »
At the time it looked like a punch (or attempted punch that Brown tried to evade) and since then I've seen it described as a punch or a lash-out but never a shove until I saw the article linked. Speaking of sounding like a conspiracy theorist I put it to you that if that had been McKenna or Cosgrove for example the more sensationalist terms would be used wherever possible. Appeasement efforts seem to double when either of the cheeks are involved.

That's not appeasement, that's just not using the sensationalist term isn't it (i.e. the correct approach)? If they'd said punch and it was McKenna or Cosgrove then you and I would be complaining - correctly - about the BBC's biased when reporting on non-scum teams. You're asking them to angle their bias in our direction instead rather than just be impartial. If there's evidence that the BBC writer saw what he thought to be a punch, but toned it down then fair enough, but I'm saying that I see a shove too. Anyway, I don't actually care in this case, I just think that over-using terms such as propaganda makes actual propaganda be taken less seriously. I actually think that across the board managers and players get too much respect from the BBC and the line of questioning is too often weak (rather than impartial).

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« Reply #9026 on: April 01, 2019, 07:26:57 PM »
The pictures circulated in today's press are damning. It's a punch no doubt even if Brown made a huge meal of it. No one shoves anyone with a clenched fist.

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Re: Todays fitba
« Reply #9027 on: April 02, 2019, 10:17:29 PM »
Villarreal coming back from 2-0 down to be winning 4-2 against Barcelona with 5 minutes left although Villarreal just gone down to 10 men. If result stays the same will mean Athletico can close the gap to 4 points by beating Barcelona at the weekend. Been a cracking game.

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« Reply #9028 on: April 02, 2019, 10:21:49 PM »
Villarreal coming back from 2-0 down to be winning 4-2 against Barcelona with 5 minutes left although Villarreal just gone down to 10 men. If result stays the same will mean Athletico can close the gap to 4 points by beating Barcelona at the weekend. Been a cracking game.

4-3 now. Absolutely amazing free kick from Messi.

Edit 4-4 another great goal.

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« Reply #9029 on: April 03, 2019, 07:34:34 AM »
4-3 now. Absolutely amazing free kick from Messi.

Edit 4-4 another great goal.

Mate of mine watching said cazorla was incredible. Surprising given his age and injury history

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« Reply #9030 on: April 03, 2019, 10:44:17 AM »
Thoroughly enjoyed watching Man Utd falter last night. Ole oot.

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« Reply #9031 on: April 03, 2019, 06:59:46 PM »
Thoroughly enjoyed watching Man Utd falter last night. Ole oot.

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Thought you might. Must have enjoyed watching the spurs OG going in the other day?

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« Reply #9032 on: April 04, 2019, 10:30:49 AM »
;D

Thought you might. Must have enjoyed watching the spurs OG going in the other day?

They fucked it weeks ago. The title is as good as at The Etihad.

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« Reply #9033 on: April 04, 2019, 12:06:44 PM »
Not so sure.  It only takes one bad result to totally turn things around.


Date         Liverpool fixtures   Date       Man City fixtures
5 April     Southampton (A)      
14 April   Chelsea (H)          14 April   Crystal Palace (A)
21 April   Cardiff (A)             20 April   Tottenham (H)
                                          24 April   Manchester United (A)
26 April   Huddersfield (H)   28 April   Burnley (A)
4 May     Newcastle (A)         4 May     Leicester (H)
12 May   Wolves (H)           12 May   Brighton (A)


Interesting that Benitez, Rodgers and Man Utd will all have an input into where the title goes.

The timing of the fixtures could also make a difference.  Assuming Liverpool can hold their nerve and keep winning, they will be 2 points in front of City after 21 April with City having to go to Old Trafford on 24 April for their game in hand.

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« Reply #9034 on: April 04, 2019, 05:36:06 PM »
Yep having seen the respective list of fixtures, I think Liverpool will sneak it on the last day, possibly by needing to beat Wolves to confirm it but with a draw and a Citeh win giving the title to them on goal difference.

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« Reply #9035 on: April 04, 2019, 06:24:43 PM »
The next three games will be huge. In 3 weeks time, one of them will be heavily odds on. They should both win their last three and if the top of the table team after 35 games doesn't pick up 9 points in their last 3, they won't deserve the title.

But as we know anything can happen and it invariably does. Pressure and getting excited does some strange things.
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« Reply #9036 on: April 04, 2019, 08:03:26 PM »
Absolutely. I don't think it's done and dusted, tyrant. You've the easier run in, although some of the man United fans I know would prefer to let City have the title than your mob. Purely because you haven't ever won the Premier league. Few twists left I reckon, could make for an exciting end of season.

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« Reply #9037 on: April 05, 2019, 11:25:51 AM »
Absolutely. I don't think it's done and dusted, tyrant. You've the easier run in, although some of the man United fans I know would prefer to let City have the title than your mob. Purely because you haven't ever won the Premier league. Few twists left I reckon, could make for an exciting end of season.

Aye. I'm not convinced that Man Utd are capable of beating City even if they really wanted to (and I don't think they'll be completely motivated knowing that they'd more than likely be doing Liverpool a favour)

It's not over yet, true, but City have been the better team thus far. Bearing in mind they didn't effectively sit out the League and FA cups. Fighting on 4 fronts and in the driving seat in the league. Aye they slipped up back in January (I think it was?) but Liverpool drew 3 out of 4 games against (comparative) shite and gifted the advantage right back. I think City's bottle will prove harder than Liverpool's. If they can get Joe Gomez back fit and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain it might provide a helpful boost. Ox was in superb form before his injury and Gomez had formed an excellent partnership with Van Dijk before his injury.

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« Reply #9038 on: April 05, 2019, 12:04:22 PM »
Aye. I'm not convinced that Man Utd are capable of beating City even if they really wanted to (and I don't think they'll be completely motivated knowing that they'd more than likely be doing Liverpool a favour)


I love how as fitba fans we seem to buy into these conspiracy theories quite easily.  Thinking rationally, I cannot see why any of today's generation of Man Utd players would take it easy against City to avoid Liverpool winning the league.  I could have understood it if the team was full of guys like Neville, Scholes etc that had grown up as United supporters but why would De Gea, Pogba, Martial or Lukaku be really that bothered whether it is City or Liverpool that win the thing?  They should be more concerned with why they are not in a position to lift the trophy.

As fitba fans we often forget that just because we normally follow one team for life, players are just doing a job for an employer before they move on to another club.  I reckon players generally have very little loyalty nowadays.

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« Reply #9039 on: April 05, 2019, 09:00:40 PM »
Caravan dwellers lose a goal nearly 4 minutes into injury time against Coonty costing them a victory and likely any chance of automatic promotion.

Much as I miss an away game at Tannadump...............pahahahaha