Peter Leven...

[Reekie_Red]

He said he had aspirations for first team management, but admitted the Aberdeen job was a step too big too soon for him. The Raith job could be perfect for him 

[RicoS321]

Shame like, think he could still have a big role to play at the Dons this season and in future.

[manc_don]

Wouldn’t begrudge him, but think a year under a competent manager wouldn’t do him (or us) any harm at all.

[OrlandoDon]

1 hour ago, manc_don said:

Wouldn’t begrudge him, but think a year under a competent manager wouldn’t do him (or us) any harm at all.

Exactly my thinking. JT seems to have a bit about him, think him sticking around learning would be a real benefit to both parties.

[Jute]

Leven staying is a positive I think. Gives Thelin someone with knowledge of the Scottish game on the staff. Also seems to be someone who players like. 

[THFN1983]

3 points from a possible 18 in this current interim term, sorry but that's simply nowhere near good enough and as he was a massive part of the Thelin farce then perhaps it's time Peter was shown the door, for his own good as much as our own.

[RicoS321]

I like Leven. He makes some fairly astute calls at times (like recognising when certain players shouldn't be played on their wrong side), but then seems to follow them up with utterly inexplicable ones. 

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what role he plays when understudy, so don't know enough to suggest he should be binned entirely. In his defence, he's overseen a big turnover of players in a short spell, and been exceptionally unfortunate that his players have decided to take up red cards as their new hobby.

[THFN1983]

He was a large part of Jimmy's backroom team, of which every other member was binned, he remained and has shown nothing to suggest he was worth keeping on.

I have nothing against him, much the same as Thelin as well but there comes a point in time when things have to change and a full scale change should've happened long before Jan 4th.

I concede that it made sense to retain Leven if a managerial appointment was finalised before the end of Jan but we're long past that point now and adding Doc to the team screams panic by Cormack/Lutz as they can plainly see that Leven isn't working.

[irnbru1903]

Leven has been part of several failed coaching teams and should have been shown the door at the same time as Thelin. For some inexplicable reason he wasn't and now we are reaping the rewards of our foresight and ambition. We are now hanging our hopes on every team we play having more players sent off than us.

[The.Moog]

Total clear out required - on and off the pitch, including Leven who’s been part of too many failed regimes.

He did ok as interim last time so I can see why he’s been put back in charge just now to hold the fort, but lets be honest, nothing has improved under him this time, nothing. Same defensive weakness, ropey goalkeeping, lack of width, often unbalanced midfield etc etc.

Times up as soon as we get a new manager, has to be…

Edited 20 hours ago by The.Moog

[Jute]

I am not convinced that Leven is getting much input this time around. I think our Director of Football is having a lot of influence.

[Panda]

He's not being helped by all the suspensions. Four red cards in five games is difficult for any manager to deal with.

I think he needs a stint as assistant manager, I don't think he's the man to lead us long term at the moment. Appears the opposite of Thelin in terms of temperament, but that's not always a good thing - at least with Thelin he would keep a cool head, and at times make smart decisions during a game.

Leven was losing it with the players when they were celebrating after making it 2-2. I praised him for that v Livi as there was a chance to take the lead before half-time - which we did - but I think with 10 men, and we'd been down to 10 for a while, you maybe just take a wee breather, and take stock of things. I think we got a bit scattergun after equalising and a lot of that came from the dugout.

[OrlandoDon]

3 hours ago, Jute said:

I am not convinced that Leven is getting much input this time around. I think our Director of Football is having a lot of influence.

Based on what do you make that statement? I know very little but he sat on the bench as soon as Thelin left, and the other night was in the stands now that we have doc. Was he on the bench again today? Regardless, I don’t have an issue with that. But are you suggesting he’s picking the team, tactics etc?

[OrlandoDon]

3 hours ago, Panda said:

He's not being helped by all the suspensions. Four red cards in five games is difficult for any manager to deal with.

I think he needs a stint as assistant manager, I don't think he's the man to lead us long term at the moment. Appears the opposite of Thelin in terms of temperament, but that's not always a good thing - at least with Thelin he would keep a cool head, and at times make smart decisions during a game.

Leven was losing it with the players when they were celebrating after making it 2-2. I praised him for that v Livi as there was a chance to take the lead before half-time - which we did - but I think with 10 men, and we'd been down to 10 for a while, you maybe just take a wee breather, and take stock of things. I think we got a bit scattergun after equalising and a lot of that came from the dugout.

You have a point about 4 red in 5 games, both in playing with less than 11, and suspensions limiting selection, but also add the injuries to kneuster and Armstrong, and an off form keeper, all guys who have played significant minutes. plus losing aouchiche karlsson polvara and Clarkson, suddenly were quite limited in selection, especially in central midfield. Throw in the fact that afeez and Geiger are from another league/country who aren’t match fit and haven’t played in quite a while, and the disruption of the weather. He’s been given quite an assignment. 

in the past, leven has come in to a difficult situation, but this is significantly harder due to the above. I don’t think he’s good enough, but he’s certainly been given quite the challenge. 

Edited 14 hours ago by OrlandoDon

[Jute]

56 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Based on what do you make that statement? I know very little but he sat on the bench as soon as Thelin left, and the other night was in the stands now that we have doc. Was he on the bench again today? Regardless, I don’t have an issue with that. But are you suggesting he’s picking the team, tactics etc?

Team playing a different way than they did in Leven’s previous stints as caretaker. Not playing same tactics. 

[OrlandoDon]

10 minutes ago, Jute said:

Team playing a different way than they did in Leven’s previous stints as caretaker. Not playing same tactics. 

In what sense? You’ve got to look at the players he has at his disposal. I don’t see them playing that differently to the way the played under Thelin. We have little/no width and have played inverted all season, limited on options there. I also posted in my response to panda, he’s been given a huge challenge with so many factors in play, and he’s a limited coach/manager with very little leadership experience.

[Panda]

58 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

You have a point about 4 red in 5 games, both in playing with less than 11, and suspensions limiting selection, but also add the injuries to kneuster and Armstrong, and an off form keeper, all guys who have played significant minutes. plus losing aouchiche karlsson polvara and Clarkson, suddenly were quite limited in selection, especially in central midfield. Throw in the fact that afeez and Geiger are from another league/country who aren’t match fit and haven’t played in quite a while, and the disruption of the weather. He’s been given quite an assignment. 

in the past, leven has come in to a difficult situation, but this is significantly harder due to the above. I don’t think he’s good enough, but he’s certainly been given quite the challenge. 

Yeah, I think he probably deserves more credit than he's getting from some because it is a situation and squad that an experienced manager would be struggling with.

However, I think it was @RicoS321 who said it, can't remember the quote, that he does a lot of things you do agree with - ie, Morrison's inclusion apart, I didn't see much disagreement over the line-up or formation v Dundee. But, there's a lot of in-game decisions where you can see he isn't the top level manager that we need just now - whether that's inexperience that'll he'll one day get, or maybe he just doesn't have it.

The thing is though, we've gone through an interview process and not appointed anyone, and we're waiting on an answer from a guy who is non-committal. Let's be honest here, if he can recreate the Livingston performance a few more times and steer Aberdeen to Hampden, I wouldn't put it past the club thinking he's worth a go. 

[TheDonbytheDee]

11 hours ago, Jute said:

I am not convinced that Leven is getting much input this time around. I think our Director of Football is having a lot of influence.

I've said this before and 100% agree.

No way he picks the Nigerian loon to play when he is either very shyte or so off the pace fitness wise, especially alongside another new player (Geiger), who is also not match fit.

Bringing back Ante from the cold, is also strange, whilst Nilsen sits on the bench and could be used more.

I honestly don't think Leven is doing anything more than what he is told to do.

[OrlandoDon]

2 hours ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

I've said this before and 100% agree.

No way he picks the Nigerian loon to play when he is either very shyte or so off the pace fitness wise, especially alongside another new player (Geiger), who is also not match fit.

Bringing back Ante from the cold, is also strange, whilst Nilsen sits on the bench and could be used more.

I honestly don't think Leven is doing anything more than what he is told to do.

But what are the options? You have a two new signings in center mid, the only other options are sivert and palaversa, no?? I don’t think that’s the penguin picking the team, that’s simply picking who you have available. Perhaps sivert should have started over afeez yesterday, but there’s not many options at present.

[TheDonbytheDee]

51 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

But what are the options? You have a two new signings in center mid, the only other options are sivert and palaversa, no?? I don’t think that’s the penguin picking the team, that’s simply picking who you have available. Perhaps sivert should have started over afeez yesterday, but there’s not many options at present.

Would have been better off with either Palaversa or Nilsen starting ahead of Afeez.

For me, Afeez was so far off it yesterday I don't believe either Leven or the Doc start him if pulling the strings.

I'm not one to write lengthy posts about line ups or tactics, as it's just my thing and not overly interested in it, but Afeez was stinking the place out in the first half.

I gave an opinion and know as much about the behind the scenes as you do, which is fuck all, but I honestly believe our DoF is pulling the strings.

 

[OrlandoDon]

42 minutes ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

Would have been better off with either Palaversa or Nilsen starting ahead of Afeez.

For me, Afeez was so far off it yesterday I don't believe either Leven or the Doc start him if pulling the strings.

I'm not one to write lengthy posts about line ups or tactics, as it's just my thing and not overly interested in it, but Afeez was stinking the place out in the first half.

I gave an opinion and know as much about the behind the scenes as you do, which is fuck all, but I honestly believe our DoF is pulling the strings.

 

I stated pregame and agree, sivert should have started over afeez. But sivert is very limited too and we need mobility in there. So while afeez lacks fitness, sivert lacks mobility and he’s caught out a lot. 
I don’t think that means someone else is picking the team, the team almost pics itself.

devlin worries me a little, time we see lobban again?

[TheDonbytheDee]

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

I stated pregame and agree, sivert should have started over afeez. But sivert is very limited too and we need mobility in there. So while afeez lacks fitness, sivert lacks mobility and he’s caught out a lot. 
I don’t think that means someone else is picking the team, the team almost pics itself.

devlin worries me a little, time we see lobban again?

Nilsen has mobility issues, but he has experience and knows our game more. 

I say that and I'm not a huge fan of Nilsen.

I don't think I've seen a player, in an Aberdeen strip, so far off it fitness wise as Afeez.

It's things that you won't see on the TV that concerned me more yesterday and I truly hope he comes good, but not helping the lad or the team, by starting him when so clearly off the pace.

Devlin tries too hard at times by trying to get up and down the right and be caught out

Other players should cover him better,  but not helped either when we go a man down.

I would like to see Lobban more, same as the Iceman in the middle, but both not seeing much game time for whatever reason.

Ach, it just frustrating watching us at the moment.