Kilmarnock v Aberdeen

[2stars]

17 minutes ago, dons8321 said:

Just back...well 3 swift pints back.  That was beyond abysmal...we could have been down by 4 at h-t. 

The players and all coaches should be offering to reimburse every ticket paid by the fans who were there today

whether they travelled 15 minutes like Big Al or from Aberdeen is the least they should do

truly abysmal

Edited 17 hours ago by 2stars

[Kowalski]

I think any Dons fan that travelled a minimum of 16 minutes to the game should be fully reimbursed by the club. 

[OxfordDon]

On the plus side, I got my tax return done before full time.

[TheDonbytheDee]

12 hours ago, manc_don said:

Sadly, you were right. I had the fear but chose to stupidly ignore it after the last result.

I did have the fear about yesterday, we've read the script many times.

A team can't buy a win, then along come Aberdeen.

Even more gut wrenching, was knowing that two hun bastards, in the Killie dugout, with shit managerial records, help see us off.

[redordead]

Didn't see it at the time.  Watched the highlights this morning.  I dint think we had any chances on there.

No complaint about the red from me. He has raked the leg ( accidentally id say ) but it's defo a yellow at best and he was on one already.

I've said it before. The mindset within the club seems to be the barrier here.  We've changed coaches,  we've changed a lot of the staff. 

It's time for a clean sweep.  New man, new coaches. New skipper and let them stamp their authority on things because it seems to me that mediocrity is accepted and it's clear that training isn't at the intensity needed because we're soft as shit.

[THFN1983]

Said it before and it bears repeating, there is absolutely zero pressure on the players to succeed at AFC. They just meander through their contract with us knowing that there is no real hunger to bring home silverware.

We, the fanbase, believe our team should be challenging for trophies but it appears that isn't the culture within the walls at Aberdeen which seems to be more about any victories being a happy accident than through hard graft and determination. Lets be honest, the media certainly doesn't help our case as any time a supporter pipes up about where we should be as a club then we're labelled as being stuck in the 80's etc.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of the ecosystem starting with shipping out players that have been named consistently by supporters over the years. Regardless of how these players perform and the results that accompany those performances they remain with the club and are selected time after time after time.

Hopefully when this new manager comes in it will signal an end to this dire situation we're in and we can actually look forward to players really caring about the club, demanding success and driving the teams performances through their own.

 

[RicoS321]

2 hours ago, THFN1983 said:

Said it before and it bears repeating, there is absolutely zero pressure on the players to succeed at AFC. They just meander through their contract with us knowing that there is no real hunger to bring home silverware.

We, the fanbase, believe our team should be challenging for trophies but it appears that isn't the culture within the walls at Aberdeen which seems to be more about any victories being a happy accident than through hard graft and determination. Lets be honest, the media certainly doesn't help our case as any time a supporter pipes up about where we should be as a club then we're labelled as being stuck in the 80's etc.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of the ecosystem starting with shipping out players that have been named consistently by supporters over the years. Regardless of how these players perform and the results that accompany those performances they remain with the club and are selected time after time after time.

Hopefully when this new manager comes in it will signal an end to this dire situation we're in and we can actually look forward to players really caring about the club, demanding success and driving the teams performances through their own.

 

I don't think there'll be a football player on the planet that would agree with this to be honest. The notion that our players, or any professional footballer (unless they're really good), doesn't feel the pressure to perform is ludicrous. It would suggest a mental health issue if they didn't! These are guys who have worked their arses off from a very young age to make it to where they are (think how difficult it is to become a professional footballer, and how many kids fail), and guys at Aberdeen who will never make enough money to live a life of luxury. You might get the odd player who is disillusioned with a particular club or role, or is maybe seeing out a career, but it doesn't bridge an entire squad.

Our club just sacked its cup winning manager for his failures (correctly). If there wasn't pressure to succeed then he'd still be here. The players will have felt it when he was binned as he was clearly a likeable guy, just as they'll hear the boos around Pittodrie and away from home. Of course they feel the pressure of that. 

The performances and results can very easily be explained by the atrocious errors in the transfer market, the imbalance of the squad, poor tactics and very low confidence. It doesn't need other explanation. 

[Panda]

21 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

I don't think there'll be a football player on the planet that would agree with this to be honest. The notion that our players, or any professional footballer (unless they're really good), doesn't feel the pressure to perform is ludicrous. It would suggest a mental health issue if they didn't! These are guys who have worked their arses off from a very young age to make it to where they are (think how difficult it is to become a professional footballer, and how many kids fail), and guys at Aberdeen who will never make enough money to live a life of luxury. You might get the odd player who is disillusioned with a particular club or role, or is maybe seeing out a career, but it doesn't bridge an entire squad.

Our club just sacked its cup winning manager for his failures (correctly). If there wasn't pressure to succeed then he'd still be here. The players will have felt it when he was binned as he was clearly a likeable guy, just as they'll hear the boos around Pittodrie and away from home. Of course they feel the pressure of that. 

The performances and results can very easily be explained by the atrocious errors in the transfer market, the imbalance of the squad, poor tactics and very low confidence. It doesn't need other explanation. 

Lutz (and Leven) have both come out recently and criticised the lack of work rate and accountability from players. While many of your points are true, I think there's definitely been an element of coasting from many players. And I'm not convinced the pressure to perform is as high as it should be.

[THFN1983]

31 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

I don't think there'll be a football player on the planet that would agree with this to be honest. The notion that our players, or any professional footballer (unless they're really good), doesn't feel the pressure to perform is ludicrous. It would suggest a mental health issue if they didn't! These are guys who have worked their arses off from a very young age to make it to where they are (think how difficult it is to become a professional footballer, and how many kids fail), and guys at Aberdeen who will never make enough money to live a life of luxury. You might get the odd player who is disillusioned with a particular club or role, or is maybe seeing out a career, but it doesn't bridge an entire squad.

Our club just sacked its cup winning manager for his failures (correctly). If there wasn't pressure to succeed then he'd still be here. The players will have felt it when he was binned as he was clearly a likeable guy, just as they'll hear the boos around Pittodrie and away from home. Of course they feel the pressure of that. 

The performances and results can very easily be explained by the atrocious errors in the transfer market, the imbalance of the squad, poor tactics and very low confidence. It doesn't need other explanation. 

Lets look at it this way. How many players over the years have we signed that actually improved since they came to us and how many have regressed? I'd wager there's far more that went backwards than progressed. You only have to look at the amount of players that we literally paid off to get them off our books. Of course you'll get players like Ferguson, Miovski etc. but they are more outliers than the rule.

We've had several managers come out now and say that players were actively avoiding the ball and turning away from receiving a pass and I'm pretty sure that wasn't their mentality when they signed for us. It can't all be down to the coaching as different coaching teams have had these players to work with but still the same problems arise with application, work rate, accountability on the park.

You can state as fact how professional players feel and scoff at my suggestion but we can only gauge them on what we see and frankly what we are seeing and have been watching for many years now are a core group of players that sign for us with big words coming from their mouths but when the going gets tough they are nowhere to be found and they remain with us further for a couple of years until they sign for a lower level team than ourselves.

[THFN1983]

Just now, THFN1983 said:

Lets look at it this way. How many players over the years have we signed that actually improved since they came to us and how many have regressed? I'd wager there's far more that went backwards than progressed. You only have to look at the amount of players that we literally paid off to get them off our books. Of course you'll get players like Ferguson, Miovski etc. but they are more outliers than the rule.

We've had several managers come out now and say that players were actively avoiding the ball and turning away from receiving a pass and I'm pretty sure that wasn't their mentality when they signed for us. It can't all be down to the coaching as different coaching teams have had these players to work with but still the same problems arise with application, work rate, accountability on the park.

You can state as fact how professional players feel and scoff at my suggestion but we can only gauge them on what we see and frankly what we are seeing and have been watching for many years now are a core group of players that sign for us with big words coming from their mouths but when the going gets tough they are nowhere to be found and they remain with us further for a couple of years until they sign for a lower level team than ourselves.

To add, if it was as easy to pay off players as it is with managers then do you honestly believe that a large amount of these current players wouldn't have got their jotters before Jimmy did? Jimmy ultimately went because it is far simpler to bin him than 6 players who Jimmy most likely identified as being shirkers but couldn't do much about.