100% Anti Kingsford

Anyone that thinks the cost of entry to watch football at Kingsford will 'go down' is a liar or gullible. It's being built on debt not ready cash. In addition (as someone mentioned) the costs of getting out to the place are another £5 (unless you live in Garlogie and funnily enough he thinks its a great idea). Anyone actually think the 'shuttle buses' will be free? NO - you will be screwed for cash. Facts seem to be a big thing on this thread. There is facts, then there is optimism. Kingsford is based on it seems people being 'positive' about it. I am not positive about getting screwed for £29 at the gate and the other £5 to get to the feckin place! The club mentioned it was going to have a 'standing section' like Celtic Park. Look at the plans - not a sign of these. Lies, lies, lies. The club are at a high than they have ever been. 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd and another 2nd this year. Cup finals, semi finals, Europa league. We still cannot get over 11,000 most weeks. The product on offer is rubbish - SPL is a small pool of nothing much. Its quite amazing the club wants to make such a gamble. Further amazing is that people have fallen for it (unless you live in garlogie of course and you can walk there!)

There are restrictions all around Hampden during events and hundreds of wardens dishing out tickets. Its best to pre-plan car parking spot before you go as there are restrictions. Hibs are expecting 19000 to travel so lots of demand.

Hearts have had a decrease in season ticket take ups already for 2017-18. Down by 1,500 maybe? That is despite the new stand. They are not going to be getting 20,000 come September when it opens outside Hibs game.

Lets say gate receipts 20% (extra 3K fans??) You really think the club will get an extra 3000 fans every fortnight? I don't - we have a better team than ever at the moment and struggle to get 12000 v Caley. Celtic, Rangers 17k-19k - Ross County, Motherwell same old same old - 11,500 at each fixture.

Lets face it. The club have no cash for a new stadium. £0. They have assets of £20m approx valuation supposedly which they will sell in order to finance £48m approx for this new place. That is the plan, the vision, the mandate for change. Its a vision - nothing more. To support that mandate for change they have outlined all this massive benefits the new stadium will bring including this of 'increased corporate revenue income streams'. From where are these income streams coming - Google and Microsoft or Mikes Window Cleaning Ltd from Peterhead? We are Aberdeen FC, a proud club a local club. The club have positioned this project as a means of keeping pace with the rest of Europe. But we have long since not been amongst the best in Europe - that was in 1982-1985. We are a small player in a small league which lacks strategic direction and is heavily weighted in favour of huge clubs from Glasgow which dominate TV and game. We are already punching well above our weight by playing in Europe and in semi finals and for finals. A lot of people seem to forget that we play in SPL - not the Premiership, not La Liga, not Serie A. Scottish premier League - a very small pool, very small income streams controlled by a mess of incompetent people who lack vision and direction. Just whom are they trying to con?

The point is that the club are playing in the Scottish Premier League. A very small league, with very narrow income streams. There is no big pool of corporate talent or companies in Aberdeen and the NE ready to invest pots of cash in the club to any extent significantly higher than is current. As has been noted in the various consultant explorations and papers benefits of the stadium have been over stated aside from construction jobs during build. There will be 2 astro pitches for use by locals - cost of maintanence will be higher than income in. The prospect of these great corporate leaps forward with Kingsford is another item of propaganda invented by the club executive to justify the build. SPL simply does not have the finances around it. Scottish football is Scottish football not English Premiership. Aberdeen FC have no chance of the Champions league and Europa League groups are some way off. There is no big incomes fron average stock SPL games. To state that a move to Kingsford will provide some injection of big corporate finance 'inward' is rubbish and delusional. Of course you might sell a few more tables but that is hardly going to bring in millions is it?

Exactly, spot on. They can use income from shirt and tie hospitality events to pay back the £30-£40m mortgage on bloody costs to build feckin place!

The club want to make 'more money' from corporate facilities at Kingsford. Aye. But certainly £30m blown on a mortgage for this new place is not going to help Derek McInnes buy better players.

The club have done a lot to try and 'resolve' the stadium issue. Plan A, Plan B and Plan C. Plans are the responsibility of the club to deliver, project manage it to success and plan it out properly. The club have not planned Plan C 'Kingsford' properly - it is a catastrophic muck up of titanic proportion well on the way to being binned. It is a mere 'throw of the dice'. Plan D Phase 1 should be concentrating on getting a training pitch for the players to train on in a stable environment and Plan D (Phase 2) should be redeveloping our home in an inventive way via a form of proper financing just as every other club have managed to do including Hearts (who 2 years ago were in financial ruin). No need for 4 brilliant stands. You need 3 lumps of concrete with roofs, seats and concourses and 1 stand with all facilities. See Tynecastle. Certainly not some inaccessible, soulless legoland monstrosity & white elephant that is not even in Aberdeen!

The evidence would suggest otherwise, but £30m of debt certainly will not help the club.

Just under half of the seats at Kingsford are not being put in place for 'fans'. They are being put in place for seagulls and scruffy pidgeons to shite on, as lets face it, there is no chance of the club getting more than 11,000 most weeks!

Yes Jess. Its also further 'ironic' that those who preach facts ignore them when it clearly disapproves their own argument. Everyone knows the transport, road plans are a pigs breakfast. A catastrophe. People like Garlogie Granite don't want to notice that, or the facts or anything really. Deluded.

Dont you think...

Isn't it ironic?

Has anyone else seen the irony in someone from 'Garlogie' banging on constantly about Kingsford being 'more accessible'. Yeah, suppose if you live in Old Aberdeen, Pittodrie is more accessible as well.

Yes, but George Yule is going to 'bus everyone out' from the city. Easy. Aberdeen v Rangers maybe 19,000 people shuttle bus them out to Westhill - just shuttle bus everyone out. These people opposing the new stadium. They have heads in the sand.

Ooooh, how powerful. So much authority the best you can do is fish around in sad virtual online worlds, undermining peoples data integrity and privacy mildly threatening to 'ban them' unless they post material and topics that appeals to inner clique. For your information 'Tyrant' I have better things to do with my time than contribute daily to your pathetic online forum. Although I may well come back on June 20th when ACC reject Kingsford. Just to rub your faces in the abject failure of it all.

Jesus.

Margaret from Westhill Obviously from Westhill Mike fae Westhill Member of NKS Charlie fae Kingsford More than one person a 'Hun' Not a Dons fan Nae a Dandy The list goes on, and on, and on, and on. Sorry, to disppoint you. Its one person, not from Westhill, 100% Aberdonian, Dons fan. Sorry folks.

With all due respect, I find your dismissive approach to wildlife 'desperately sad'. May I remind you birds are protected by law. Other concerns are around stag who use this area. Where will they go? I know of at least 4 or 5 lovely families with children under 5 years who love to see the animals in Kingsford and the fields where the stadium is proposed. I know a few of these families where the children have been 'in tears' when they found out the animals will be without a home. I trust that ACC will take note of this. I also hope that Aberdeen FC and its 'hooligan minority' intent on 'pishing in fields' and throwing 'chip papers' around will take the opportunity to recognise that they share this earth with birds - our feathered friends. Wintering birds of various types use this area for nests. Its not a case of 'starlings' flying over it. Do you know anything about birds? Do you watch Spring watch with Bill Oddie? Honestly, football thugs in Aberdeen. Wanting your stadium built at any costs. You'd think people with a 'get it built' mindset would respect others who like building things. We are on 'a road to nowhere' with this whole Kingsford project - its getting like 'gridlock' as regards the various arguments for and against. Really its just a complete 'dogs dinner' in fact, the whole thing reminds me of Dundee's defence.

Hi Pal, as a firm member of the Donstalk 'show us the facts' brigade I would encourage you to view the planning portal: https://publicaccess.aberdeencity.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=OJMF3EBZIED00 And see the wintering bird survey report. Its used by many varieties of birds. My advice to the birds is 'get them built'. If you excuse the pun. Thanks, Margaret.

I just think its a disgrace the attitude of George Yule and the people on here towards birds nests. Its shocking. (trolling)

Sorry, I can deal with being called 'Margaret from No Kingsford' but not Ed Milliband.

Birds are the least of the worries of George Yule. EE are very good at trivialising this issue NONE of the Transport issues have been arrested. NONE of the access problems have gone away. Transport Scotland have still to submit a key report which will highlight some pivotal information. The best that will happen on June 20th is it gets mothballed for a while due to council abstaining and looking for more research. And its over to the club if they move forward with it. There is a chance they could embark on another plan for another site by August.

Know a lot of folk that hate the Rangers game. They dont go due to shite being sung. They are a scummy club but this fixture brings out the worst in us and them.