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Goodwin was totally inexperienced, especially at our level. Never coached at a level Aberdeen expect, and never reached the standards a club like ours expects. Not well travelled or had managerial experience outside of Scotland. Not worldly. Goodwin has never been at a club where winning trophies and advancing in Europe is the expectation (not simply qualifying.) we need a guy who has had similar experiences and pressures. Someone who has to coach and adjust coaching to win big games, make decisions to advance in cups, and coach during games to have significant impact. While having the pressures of a big club. Ok, he played in england and that’s experience, but not coaching experience. Managing a part time club like alloa has very different demands and expectations, at st mirren it’s survival, hopefully top 6, maybe latter stages of a cup, maybe even a final, but that’s punching above their weight. Being at aberdeen was a big step up for him. I’d like someone who has experiences similar demands and similar pressures. Someone who has won something and experienced significant pressures to win. While I’m not saying I want the likes of strachan, McGhee, Lennon, Paul lambert, jack Ross etc, all have achieved more and have greater experience than goodwin and a ‘safer’ hire. im not saying goodwin is a bad manager. Maybe he’s better than Robson, maybe worse. But I think given the business that is football today, the millions involved, the demands of a big club, the pressures of winning, especially at a club who needs to build or renovate a stadium, money matters big time. Selecting the right manager has a big element of luck, but experience really matters IMHO.

I still see Robson as a short term fix guy, win games now and do whatever it takes. You know the players, do what it takes. That’s hard to implement long term. He has impressed me too but being a full time manager with short and long term goals is different. Experience matters. Repeating myself but we failed with the last two guys being inexperienced, we won’t do that again. I just don’t see it.

I think it says something that Watkins is involved more. All effort and workrate to succeed right now. However, I only think that lasts so long which suggests short term fix. But as I have said, happy for Robson to be an assistant or first team coach.

Very solid performance from what I saw. Good win! I know others disagree but I really like shinnie and ramadani in center mid, two workers with drive who allow others to be creative.

4 at the back w scales at LB? Or back 3 with Hayes at left wing back??

Absolute silence on the managerial front? Nobody spotted house shopping or at the airport? Haven’t heard John Hughes mentioned in a few days either. Waiting impatiently…

I think we’re saying similar things. Don’t think McGhee was hired purely on friendship, he’s a very experienced manager who had a close relationship with strachan. I’d say it was more really bad judgement on strachan to hire, certainly understand the Dundee fans who were dismayed by the appointment. I think Robson needs to move on if he’s not going to be an assistant or first team coach. he’s got good coaching experience now, but needs the management experience. Time for a stint at dunfermline, Clyde, Morton etc, somewhere to blood his club and team leadership and the pressures of that. We cannot hire a third ‘good young manager’ with limited experience. We need more than that at this point and I’m certain cormack will go for an older manager with reputation/management experience.

Any you know why Robson picked him? Assuming it was Robson that picked him. I’d speculate Robson, an interim hire who is under potential consideration, wouldn’t be given that authority. He may be asked for input but he wouldn’t have that power. And you know strachan only picked McGhee because he’s a mate? Can’t agree with either, you don’t know the inside reasonings unless you have close personal relationships here, which I’m assuming you do not (certainly correct me if I’m wrong.) Robson, McGhee, and strachan have all worked at enough clubs and international level too. there have been successful inexperienced managers and unsuccessful experienced managers, and vice versa. We failed with two inexperienced managers relative to our expectations, will be surprised if we go with a first time manager in Robson.

That’s crazy, and sad at the same time. And in 84 we should have beaten Porto to return to the final. Couldn’t imagine us being one of the best teams in Europe these days. If I recall, weren’t we close to signing boniek from juve. Fair comparison would be like us signing modric maybe??

Sounds like you are describing Duk. Is it Duk??

Every hire is a risk. Experience to me brings lesser risk, but still risk. I don’t believe knowing our league, players etc is a major factor, especially when you can have Scottish assistants or coaches involved. Foreign coaches are hired all over the world, at club and international level, and can be successful, Scotland is not unique. Glass and goodwin were very uninspiring hires as I voiced at the time, plus both inexperienced. I’d rather take a punt on Rodriguez or the likes, make it a little more interesting, especially when there are so few appealing Scottish//British managers.

Goodwin knew the league, players, language, culture….as did Paterson and miller of days past. Doesn’t guarantee anything.

Interesting article. Well written to promote the guy. Honestly, every hire needs timing and luck and we aren’t going to get pep or Jurgen, plus he’s more experienced than glass or goodwin. Also sounds like he’s older and mature enough to develop a club and not just a first team coach. Plus sounds like he’s eager to come to britain. Why not us as the next step? Is there any evidence that we’ve spoken to him or are actually considering him??

I’d argue some of our problems come from going 3 at the back. We’re a poor side, keep it simple with what our players are most familiar and that’s a back 4. Assuming mccrorie is back, he’s right back. I’d play scales at left back. I have no clue what to do with duk. He scores goals but I still think him and miovski together is square peg round hole. With a back 4 I’d try duk right wing, coulson left wing. I don’t see clarkson as a holding deep mid, that’s ramadani. Clarkson just behind miovski. Shinnie being shinnie. 2-1 us, in hope. Joe Lewisx2.

I’d honestly take strachan or Lennon, would have preferred either to glass or Goodwin, but as I mentioned on the game thread from today, I think a clean slate and a fresh start is needed. Someone with experience and some sort of success in his past, and no SPL baggage. Someone like an ange for example, but probably on a smaller scale. this includes parting ways with Robson, but still have a back room staff that includes SPL experience. There will be holes in whoever we hire, we all won’t be happy, but we’re not an English premiership team, or the old firm, and we have a limited budget for players and manager. in regards to timeline, I can only assume the new ceo is involved with the manager, hence he has involvement and the delay?

51 goals conceded from 26 games, can’t ever remember us having such a bad defensive record. Worst in the league too ffs. At this rate we’ll be over 70 by the seasons end. How did Macdonald and pollock look today??

Didn’t see the game so can’t comment. My knee jerk reaction is to punt Robson too and just start afresh with a whole new coaching staff. Get some guy in (not strachan) who is experienced but not SPL tarnished. Someone like an Ange for example. Not easy to find but a fresh new face may be a good thing.

Is strachan a serious candidate? I’d certainly be happy with him. Maybe Robson as asst/coach to work under him. Be like brown setting up mcinnes (yes, he wasn’t his asst) but the old guy setting it up for a younger guy to take over.

I used to pay attention to rugby growing up, played a bit, plus 4 years of college in Edinburgh certainly created interest with the rugby weekends, but haven’t paid too much attention since. I will say, after watching the highlights of the last two matches, I googled a few players and was certainly disappointed some of the players weren’t Scottish. Much like when the footie team is stacked with English players, it’s not quite an authentic national team to me. Saying that, I can accept a Scottish granny or parents much more than someone who has simply lived and played in Scotland for 3 years. I’d be gutted if Chris woods was Scotland’s keeper and a national side with Roberts, butcher, Trevor and Gary Stevens, even Ray Wilkins and Hateley. I’d still be a little disappointed if theo snelders was Scotland’s keeper. Niall mcginn, Jonny hayes, Shay Logan, Joe Lewis, maybe Adam Rooney, it just wouldn’t be right. I’m ok with Aussie Lyndon dykes playing for us as he’s at least got Scottish blood in him and can claim to be Scottish.

I think there’s a huge amount of luck involved. Things just have to work for you. I wonder how good goodwin would have been if he inherited a team like mcinnes did? McGhee did quite well at Motherwell hence we went for him. listen to martingale at livi, he doesn’t sound much different to john Hughes, but he seems to be doing ok. look at Liverpool, did klopp go bad? I’ll even add, what if we drew with Celtic 0-0 and beat rangers 2-1, who knows how the next few games would have gone and we’d have goodwin still here for sure. It’s a tightrope spud… It’s not possible to judge a manager properly, or people would get it right much more often. Track record says a lot, but luck and the players you inherit is huge.

Said that to a mate the other day. Last game it was three loaners at the back, add coulson and Richardson, that’s 5 who may not be here next year, although wishful thinking on Richardson. Mackenzie is our best under contract defender and he can’t get a game for us. Then again, what do we do with mccrorie, someone I prefer in midfield? especially if we keep shinnie past the summer, mccrorie is a defender by default. He’s not making the necessary progress being constantly moved to a variety of positions, I’d make him right back and commit to it. the more I think it’s hard to expect anyone so sign past the summer until we have a manager in place, if I were Macdonald I’d want to know who the manager is first and the managers take on him. Short term makes sense for now.

Pure speculation on your Macdonald take instigating the short term, perhaps he gets the long term after we punt Stewart and scales returns to Celtic? Who knows, but we seem to have found two decent defenders……for now!

I’ll reply to myself after further reading. Macdonald is a short term deal not a loan, so I guess we have every opportunity to keep him if things go well. pollock signed a 5 year deal when joining Watford for 250k in 2021. I guess a fee would be involved if it’s possible but I also think given the age/experience and previous transfer he’s affordable. I like the youth / experience blend, plus I think both are cheaper options, maybe even as good, than scales? Harsh to judge scales though, I think he’s decent, it’s just been a shit season with poor play and players around him, tough to find form.

It’s only been two games but what’s the thoughts on pollock and Macdonald? They look decent additions but I guess the next game vs Celtic after over a week of training will be a good opportunity for judgement. No scales either next game. Think pollock is a solid young loon and I was disappointed he didn’t get his goal yesterday, certainly seemed to enjoy that moment. Macdonald seems to be the old experienced head. Any option of beyond summer with either or are they simply short term stays?

And mccrorie straight red after 7 mins?!?!?