Right, thoughts?

My money's on the statue of Fergie.

@tlg1903

Surely everything that applies to McGlynn also applies to Sue Smith Valakari though?

Hasn't managed at a big club, has a safe job that might make him difficult to prize away from, etc.

5 minutes ago, Panda said:

@tlg1903

Surely everything that applies to McGlynn also applies to Sue Smith Valakari though?

Hasn't managed at a big club, has a safe job that might make him difficult to prize away from, etc.

I'm not overly fussed about the big club aspect. They have both been in positions where they have the biggest/best funded squad in their relative league and smashed it. I do think McGlynn would find it much harder to leave Falkirk though. Given how they are performing, the task at hand at Aberdeen and then throw in re-settling to the north east at age 65 when he's likely very settled in the central belt..... You're going to have to talk him into it put it that way. Valakari on the other hand does not have such roots laid down in his personal life nor the same affection for StJ as McGlynn has for Falkirk. My feeling is he would jump at the chance 2bh.

Who have we ever had as manager in our history who had previously managed a “big” club?

Neil Warnock. Failed miserably.

Craig Brown. Steadied the ship.

Mark McGhee. Disaster.

Alex Miller??? (No laughing - the question marks are for whether Hibs are a big club)

Keith Burkinshaw (for 10 days)

Our better managers have generally gone on to bigger/better things after us.

In an earlier post Rico said:

“To be honest, I think the whole "managers can't manage a big club" a bit of a myth. Robinson was at spurs, Bournemouth, Luton and an international player. The notion that he wouldn't have got some understanding of "big clubs" whilst there is a little unbelievable.”

In broad terms I agree with this. I think the key point about Robinson, though, was that he brought in players from smaller clubs who didn’t seem to have the mentality to step up to a greater level of scrutiny/expectation, and/or just aren’t good enough. He acted like he was still at St Mirren in his recruitment . As pointed out on the HWG podcast the two from Kilmarnock weren’t part of the team that dug them out in their last 4 games. They were part of the team that got them into that mess. Obi-two I think is an exception in that he’s shown the right mentality.

All of which to say I’d have no qualms about McGlynn or Valakari.

just a thought.
Is it really to too early to start a new thread entitled who will be our next Manager after the next incoming one ?

canna be arsed finding it.
But as I have said before we missed the Neil Lennon boat in 2021 as he should have been first choice then ahead of Stephen fkn Glass ffs.
That was the time to take him onboard and at that time as most of you will remeber I was very vocal and supportive of him back then (took a load of pelters for it) some justified maybe and some not.
But anyway our merry bunch of clown decided to go with Glass and as they say the rest is history.
we are too far down the swanny for Lennon to be able to turn this shit around and to do anything remotely successful with our basket case of a football club.

Pressley is an interesting shout but I think he is on a good wee gig at Dundee and doing OK. Surely he is nae daft enough to come to pittodrie knowing fine well that he could be sacked in 5 or 6 months 🫤

Where do we go from here I have no fukin idea, bu we might at least see Mitchell Frame back in the "frame" for a game again, Did Robinson just really hate the laddie or what

1 hour ago, Blow.Up.Sheep said:

Where do we go from here I have no fukin idea, bu we might at least see Mitchell Frame back in the "frame" for a game again, Did Robinson just really hate the laddie or what

I was told that bids were accepted for both Frame and Devlin and both turned down moves, after which, they were told their game time would be limited.

True or not, who knows, but it doesn't sound far fetched.

2 hours ago, Blow.Up.Sheep said:

canna be arsed finding it.
But as I have said before we missed the Neil Lennon boat in 2021 as he should have been first choice then ahead of Stephen fkn Glass ffs.
That was the time to take him onboard and at that time as most of you will remeber I was very vocal and supportive of him back then (took a load of pelters for it) some justified maybe and some not.
But anyway our merry bunch of clown decided to go with Glass and as they say the rest is history.
we are too far down the swanny for Lennon to be able to turn this shit around and to do anything remotely successful with our basket case of a football club.

Pressley is an interesting shout but I think he is on a good wee gig at Dundee and doing OK. Surely he is nae daft enough to come to pittodrie knowing fine well that he could be sacked in 5 or 6 months 🫤

Where do we go from here I have no fukin idea, bu we might at least see Mitchell Frame back in the "frame" for a game again, Did Robinson just really hate the laddie or what

Lennon was exactly the same, but demonstrably worse, than McInnes. The whole point in getting rid of McInnes was so that we didn't hand entire control of the club to one person, and that's how Lennon would have wanted to operate. Glass could have been the right choice if we'd bothered to get the actual structure in place before he joined (and signed players in the January before he arrived). Lennon then would have been what Robinson was now, a universally despised appointment who'd have lasted less time than Glass. He also appeared to be a bit of a mess at the time with a massive chip on his shoulder.

I wouldn't want him, but he'd be a far better appointment now than he would have been six years ago.

14 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Lennon was exactly the same, but demonstrably worse, than McInnes. The whole point in getting rid of McInnes was so that we didn't hand entire control of the club to one person, and that's how Lennon would have wanted to operate. Glass could have been the right choice if we'd bothered to get the actual structure in place before he joined (and signed players in the January before he arrived). Lennon then would have been what Robinson was now, a universally despised appointment who'd have lasted less time than Glass. He also appeared to be a bit of a mess at the time with a massive chip on his shoulder.

I wouldn't want him, but he'd be a far better appointment now than he would have been six years ago.

That's some fair points there mate, although I still think we could have and should have went for him back in 2021 but hey ho we didn't and we will never know but I do take take your point about entire control, but I also think back then Lennon would have been a step up from McInnes
But hey we all have different opinions and for sure over the coming weeks all these opinions are going to be getting chucked about all over the place.

I have no idea what way we should be going this time round but it really should be last chance saloon for our board of illustrious clowns and "leaders" to get this next appointment fukin right, which they drastically failed to do with every single one from 2021 till today.
I also hope they don't drag it on for as long as they did last time before appointed they appointed Robinson that timeframe was also fukin shockin.

If we are going to go down the road of scottish managers then for me I would be happy with Pressley or Clarke.

Foreign managers i do not have a fukin clue (a bit like cormack)

It will be what it will be and it will be a laugh on here at the opinions and the disagreements that will materialize over the next few weeks.

SF mate and onwards an upwards

7 hours ago, Don Julio said:

Who have we ever had as manager in our history who had previously managed a “big” club?

Neil Warnock. Failed miserably.

Craig Brown. Steadied the ship.

Mark McGhee. Disaster.

Alex Miller??? (No laughing - the question marks are for whether Hibs are a big club)

Keith Burkinshaw (for 10 days)

Our better managers have generally gone on to bigger/better things after us.

I would add Derek McInnes to that list - I would say Bristol City are a big club and they were in the Championship which is a big league. And he clearly had a lot to deal with there.

I'm not saying no manager can make the step up from a smaller club, but when picking the best person for a role you usually look at their past experience. Thelin and Robinson were dealing with situations they didn't have much experience of before.

2 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Except that's exactly how all managers progress in the game, and exactly what we'd be doing if we employed a manager from abroad.

McGlynn has been Hearts manager. He's also a good coach. The biggest impediment to him being successful would be time. It takes a while to implement his particular style, and there'd be plenty of mistakes along the way. I don't think McGlynn would get the patience that a foreign manager would get because of the attitude that he doesn't understand the demands or whatever. I think Robinson understands the demands of Aberdeen, he just isn't that good a coach.

To be honest, I think the whole "managers can't manage a big club" a bit of a myth. Robinson was at spurs, Bournemouth, Luton and an international player. The notion that he wouldn't have got some understanding of "big clubs" whilst there is a little unbelievable.

Goodwin and Robinson both stand out, to me, for their inflexibility and lack of tactical awareness. Their coaching appeared to rely on pragmatism, being difficult to beat and old school "get intae them" mentality, which can only take you so far. I suspect Goodwin has far more humility than Robinson and I wouldn't be surprised if he has developed as a manager between us and utd. McGlynn spent a lot of time after leaving hearts relearning the game, and spent a good bit of time with the Tims as scout (where I'm sure the "big club" thing might have raised its head). His approach to the game is significantly different, comfortable changing systems and working on actual passages of play that exploit weaknesses.

Regardless, I don't believe he'll be in the frame for our job, and I don't believe he'd want it.

As someone else has said, it's not just working at big clubs, it's identifying and managing players who can live up to the expectations mentally as well as in terms of talent. The manager needs to have it - Robinson and Goodwin don't - and be able to marry it to tactical acumen. That doesn't exclusively mean you have to have managed at a big club but having the right level of ambition, confidence and authority to deal with the type of player we need is essential.

I doubt Scott Brown has the tactical know-how so I'm not for a minute suggesting him (or Lennon) but I bet he at least has the right mindset.

McGlynn seems to do well with young players (a good thing, so a tick in the box) and reclamation projects (don't think our fans have the patience for that, so a negative), both of which are fine when expectations aren't all that high but at Aberdeen there isn't the time to work like that unless you get lucky and get off to a flying start with what's already there. And I highly doubt that's going to happen with the bunch we've got now.

I'm not sure where I stand on Valakari but would lean towards him being another out of the Goodwin and Robinson box of tricks.

1 hour ago, Blow.Up.Sheep said:

That's some fair points there mate, although I still think we could have and should have went for him back in 2021 but hey ho we didn't and we will never know but I do take take your point about entire control, but I also think back then Lennon would have been a step up from McInnes
But hey we all have different opinions and for sure over the coming weeks all these opinions are going to be getting chucked about all over the place.

As you say, we've all got our opinions but that's a bold take imo. I don't think Lennon's done a single thing outside Celtic to suggest he's even half the manager McInnes is.

McInnes spunked £300k on Ricky Foster when he was at Bristol, which wouldnt have helped

Theres a number of reasons why all managers at our level are basically shite and interchangeable. Maybe the game has changed too much for me but most of the ones making a decent living out the game, can’t actually manage

Lennon's an utter, utter mink. Fucking gads.

4 minutes ago, Slim said:

Lennon's an utter, utter mink. Fucking gads.

I’d prefer a manager that didn’t leave crumbs all down his front after a pack of cheese & onion

I would have been OK and happy enough to give it a go with Lennon back in 2021 before the appointment of Glass.

But now it's a no from me.

If we are going down the local knowledge route again then for me there is only two real options Pressley or Clarke

I heard somewhere that the Doc's name has been mentioned, that is also another no from me, nothing against the man, I just don't think he is the right man for us if we are going for the local knowledge manager.
No doubt about it there is going to be a lot of names thrown around over the coming days, and a lot of if's and but's.

3 hours ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

I was told that bids were accepted for both Frame and Devlin and both turned down moves, after which, they were told their game time would be limited.

True or not, who knows, but it doesn't sound far fetched.

In the match programme interviews on Saturday both Ronan and (especially) Milne were praising the recent influence Devlin has had. Milne calling out his leadership qualities only a few pages after our current captain’s regular column…

6 minutes ago, Kowalski said:

In the match programme interviews on Saturday both Ronan and (especially) Milne were praising the recent influence Devlin has had. Milne calling out his leadership qualities only a few pages after our current captain’s regular column…

Maybe that was just an attempt by Milne to pass the blame for him being shite onto Devlin.

Well , Groundhog day.............

In Robinsons defence, the injuries cannot have helped. BUT , he was chopping and changing all the time anyway and has bought some right duffers.

There has been no sign of a structure, formaton or plan of attack ?

Sio onwards. How about big Toni Komboaure ? He`s presently unemployed, apparently still speaks highly of his tiime at Aberdeen . And is known in France the man to take on a struggling club and avoid relegation ?

At least on a short term till end of season anyway .....what could possibly go wrong ??

Komboaure was about fifty when he played for us wasn't he 🤔

Must be eighty odd these days

Fair fucks to him wanting to work at that age 😂

16 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Komboaure was about fifty when he played for us wasn't he 🤔

Must be eighty odd these days

Fair fucks to him wanting to work at that age 😂

Hs just got into his 60s now. But his knees are gone !!

1 hour ago, neilthedon said:

Hs just got into his 60s now. But his knees are gone !!

Are you suggesting him for player or manager?

1 hour ago, neilthedon said:

Hs just got into his 60s now. But his knees are gone !!

I rather sense you've been wooshed Neil 😉

24 minutes ago, Kowalski said:

Are you suggesting him for player or manager?

In fairness, if he's got dodgy knees, he'd probably fit right in with our other central defenders.

46 minutes ago, Kowalski said:

Are you suggesting him for player or manager?

He`d probably make the bench.........?

I have no idea about contemporary fitba beyond the Dons and Keith, so have no input of value in suggesting who might be a replacement for the most recent sucker.

I was musing earlier on, however, about the Pittodrie gafferage I can recall since I uttered my first “fuck, er…I mean oh dear” around 1964 when my interest initially took hold.

E&OE excepted, of course

Pearson

Interim Shaw

Turnbull

Bonthrone

Interim Murray

McLeod

McNeill

Ferguson

Interim Knox

Porterfield

Eeeehhhh Smith/Scott

6

Aitken

Interim Burkinshaw

Fucking Fucking Fucking Alex Fucking Miller whose face I’d never tire of battering with a shovel, a huge heavy fucker of a fucking shovel, perhaps even the front bucket of a JCB, the cunt.*

Interim Hegarty

Skovdahl

Interim Speirs

Paterson

Calderwood

McGhee FFS

Interim Neils Cooper and Simpson

Broon

McInnes

Interims Sheerin, Robson, Simmie

Glass

Interim Robson

Goodwin, the fucking fraud

Robson

Interim Pete

Warnock

Interim Pete

Thelin

Interim Pete

Robinson

Interim Duff

*other than the foregoing, I have no particularly strong feelings about the useless negative cunt of hell and several surrounding postal code districts