Next manager

[wee toon red]

Just now, blinlemon said:

Tony Docherty’s been brought in to provide support to Interim Pete. 

Can’t do any harm. Wonder if he’s going to be part of the new team as well?

[blinlemon]

2 minutes ago, wee toon red said:

Can’t do any harm. Wonder if he’s going to be part of the new team as well?

I’d doubt it, as the next gaffer will want to take in his own staff which seems to be the norm. I imagine that the club will wait until Blow Up Sheep offers his advice before arriving at a decision. 
 

[Slim]

New head coach announcement expected imminently it says. I'd assume we wouldn't bring in Docherty for only a game or two so does suggest he may be around longer term unless the new head coach won't be starting for a while.

[Blow.Up.Sheep]

8 minutes ago, blinlemon said:

Tony Docherty’s been brought in to provide support to Interim Pete. 

Not a bad move by the club to be fair.

Ah the best Doc min and welcome back 

[tlg1903]

Really pleased at this news.  Got a lot of time for Doc though it does perhaps suggest we might be going with Leven for the rest of the season

[wee toon red]

16 minutes ago, blinlemon said:

I’d doubt it, as the next gaffer will want to take in his own staff which seems to be the norm. I imagine that the club will wait until Blow Up Sheep offers his advice before arriving at a decision. 
 

Likely, although Lutz did make a thing about a strong Scottish presence throughout the club so you never know. Might also depend on doc’s ambitions as a manager in his own right.

[mondo_notion]

Most of the reporting suggests Doc is here to support Leven until summer when Horneland will take over as permanent manager. 

[RicoS321]

Being brought in to help the Hun settle in his six month loan period IMO.

Welcome back Doc

 

[Blow.Up.Sheep]

1 hour ago, blinlemon said:

I’d doubt it, as the next gaffer will want to take in his own staff which seems to be the norm. I imagine that the club will wait until Blow Up Sheep offers his advice before arriving at a decision. 
 

My advice has already been offered to them a long time ago min. (so keep up eh)
 

Anyway I like Doc and think this is a good shout by the club in the current set up.
Just nae sure if he would come onboard just for a couple of games tho, but time will tell.

Once again, welcome back Tony and ah the best min 

Edited 13 hours ago by Blow.Up.Sheep

[Don Julio]

Happy about this, albeit defending never seemed to be a strength of Doc’s teams, so not sure we can expect to see huge improvements on that front!

[Kowalski]

Announcement imminent so we bring somebody else in to help the coaching staff? How “imminent” is the announcement?

[TheDonbytheDee]

Rumours going around that the delay is Horneland losing out on £1 million, if he takes another job before summer, due to the terms of his departure from St Ettienne.

I think Leven/Doc until summer should be fine.

Could be a problem when we win the cup.

 

[baggy89]

Weren't the set pieces, under McInnes, Tony Doc's job?

[tlg1903]

2 hours ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

Rumours going around that the delay is Horneland losing out on £1 million, if he takes another job before summer, due to the terms of his departure from St Ettienne.

I think Leven/Doc until summer should be fine.

Could be a problem when we win the cup.

 

Heard that rumour too and it does seem like 2+2 = 4 2bf

[irnbru1903]

Sticking with Leven till the Summer is typical of our club. A huge part of the problem and yet they expect a happy resolution. Cut the cancer out.

[Dougal]

Sensible move by the club given the circumstances. Bolstered long and short term options. Will no doubt be an element of our support that still moan about it but I'm happy with this.

[Elgindon]

15 minutes ago, irnbru1903 said:

Sticking with Leven till the Summer is typical of our club. A huge part of the problem and yet they expect a happy resolution. Cut the cancer out.

Easy thing to say.What dyou think they should have done,or be doing

[irnbru1903]

2 minutes ago, Elgindon said:

Easy thing to say.What dyou think they should have done,or be doing

Their job really. Finding a new manager should not be this much of a drama. Pick someone who is doing a good job elsewhere and stick with them. Our club needs stability. Not whatever this is.

[Panda]

Trying to see the positives of him starting in summer; I think him being able to sit back, watch the games, and begin planning who will stay/go/come in will be very beneficial. Thelin didn't have that luxury, being the manager of Elfsborg still.

Likely too (unless Leven/Doc produce some magic) that, like Thelin and McInnes (for Hearts), he has the League Cup group stage to build some momentum for his first games.

But, it's also a lot of effort for a guy whose record isn't that good. Healthy win rate at Brann and won a cup. Off a poor spell in France (and I went on a Horneland/St Ettienne rabbit hole and really struggled to find many fans not absolutely slating him), but then a new language, league, culture - it was a difficult gig to take on. Maybe Scotland and Aberdeen will suit him more.

Cant say my excitement levels are the same as they were when Thelin was the target, but then maybe that's down to Thelin himself not being as good as I thought he'd be. But Lutz seems pretty determined this is the guy, and apart from our dignity, what have we got to lose?

[mondo_notion]

38 minutes ago, irnbru1903 said:

Their job really. Finding a new manager should not be this much of a drama. Pick someone who is doing a good job elsewhere and stick with them. Our club needs stability. Not whatever this is.

Where's the drama? 

[TheDonbytheDee]

1 hour ago, irnbru1903 said:

Sticking with Leven till the Summer is typical of our club. A huge part of the problem and yet they expect a happy resolution. Cut the cancer out.

I've heard this about Leven, but what's the problem with him?

I am sure if an issue with Leven he would have been out the door, especially with the appointment of the Doc.

[Elgindon]

5 minutes ago, Panda said:

Trying to see the positives of him starting in summer; I think him being able to sit back, watch the games, and begin planning who will stay/go/come in will be very beneficial. Thelin didn't have that luxury, being the manager of Elfsborg still.

Likely too (unless Leven/Doc produce some magic) that, like Thelin and McInnes (for Hearts), he has the League Cup group stage to build some momentum for his first games.

But, it's also a lot of effort for a guy whose record isn't that good. Healthy win rate at Brann and won a cup. Off a poor spell in France (and I went on a Horneland/St Ettienne rabbit hole and really struggled to find many fans not absolutely slating him), but then a new language, league, culture - it was a difficult gig to take on. Maybe Scotland and Aberdeen will suit him more.

Cant say my excitement levels are the same as they were when Thelin was the target, but then maybe that's down to Thelin himself not being as good as I thought he'd be. But Lutz seems pretty determined this is the guy, and apart from our dignity, what have we got to lose?

Beginning to believe its as much about pot luck as to who fits in where.Deflated when McInnes was appointed,as plenty others were too,but he surprised me.And the opposite with Thelin,genuinely thought here we go,and was surprised at how poor he ended up.

    Odds are we must be about due a good guy.....

[OrlandoDon]

Interesting developments today that can be taken many ways! Lots of speculation. 

is doc here long term as part of the new management team? Could be one of the reasons this has taken a while and he’s been involved in discussions? Is doc also here to help recruit Cameron?

is leven being phased out, doc comes in and somewhere between now and end of season leven leaves? Im not quite clear what leven needed if he’s here long term, he’s done the job before and there are others around that could have come in to help short term. Doc is more high profile and experienced which makes me wonder if doc is in our long term plans.

new guy, horneland I assume, has a 1M payoff but cant work immediately unless we pay it. Cant remember who said it, but it’s sounds like it’s actually all about money.

No point in paying 1M for the next 4 months when the team is in such influx, which also makes more sense to the lack of permanent signings over the last few weeks. New guy coming in can ‘scout’ us, assess players, and recruit. Develop connections with players without certain management responsibilities or commitments. While he’s not working officially, I’ll assume horneland will work in some capacity, and a significant one at that.

we’ve been a playing mess pretty much ever since Jimmy arrived, lucky start to last season, and lucky cup win. But for the most part it has not been a pretty two years for the club……despite a great cup win. A four month fix is not a disaster if it helps us get our shit together, rebuild and prep for a proper summer, and a proper preseason.

Lutz knows horneland and obviously he believes horneland is worth waiting for. I think it helps that he has a relationship, both in the ability to work together, I’m assuming lutz knows what we are getting, and lutz knows his style and ability.

sounds like horneland has passion emotion and intensity, and his teams play with intensity. Sounds a lot like a certain Ferguson. Not saying it guarantees success by any means, but pretty much the polar opposite of Jimmy. Dare I say the team was rotting and going backwards, even scaring players away under Jimmy (Clarkson, whether he was good enough is another debate). Maybe lutz saw that, hence the firing when we were clearly not ready and didn’t have people lined up to replace Jimmy.

Last point. Every manager is a gamble. Nobody guarantees success. Whether this guy, Scott brown, some German, Robinson, a return of Mcinnes. Klopp is available, but would he succeed? Luck is a huge factor. The stars need to align. Even the vastly experienced Neil warnock doesn’t guarantee anything! Maybe gieger McIntyre afeez Cameron are the spine of a team that is about to change in fortune?

[blinlemon]

I’m always prepared to admit my total indifference to and ignorance of anything fitba-wise beyond the Dons and Keith. Fuck yer Barcas and Pana…Panash, Piana… ach those Greek cunts etc. 
For the record, therefore, I’m prepared to stick my neck out and confirm that whilst Craig Ewen’s getting some good results in the Kynoch Park dugout, I don’t think he’s ready yet to attempt SPFL gafferage. 

[Panda]

24 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

lucky start to last season, and lucky cup win.

I'm not having this. 

It wasn't a lucky start to the season. It was a team that needed to improve to keep the run going, and unfortunately didn't, but they earned every single one of those wins, the same way I wouldn't suggest the three months without a win after it was "unlucky".

If anything, considering Hibs were very fortunate with some refereeing decisions in various games in the run in, we were perhaps UNLUCKY not to have had a chance of third on the final day.

And as for the cup, what was lucky about it? We actually trailed for most of the game due to Celtic getting some good fortune. 

Let's not denigrate one of the best days in our recent history.  

19 minutes ago, blinlemon said:

Fuck yer Barcas and Pana…Panash, Piana… ach those Greek cunts etc. 
 

Thought that sentence was leading up to Panda there