http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7795624.stm

 

Football fans banned after fight

Several Aberdeen football fans have been fined a total of £7,500 and banned from football grounds after a fight with rival Celtic supporters.

 

Tony Cross, 21; Nicholas Dalgleish, 18; Scott Grant, 20; Rognvald Harcus, 24; Dale McKeith, 19; and Dean Watson, 19, were each banned for three years.

 

Co-accused Colin Ord was also fined £2,000 over the incident outside Aberdeen's Gordon Hotel.

 

They admitted breach of the peace charges at Aberdeen Sheriff Court.

 

The court heard the Aberdeen supporters had travelled to the hotel in Wellington Road by taxi to take part in an organised fight in February last year.

 

Dalgleish's solicitor, Iain Hingston, told the court his client had only become involved due to peer pressure.

 

He said: "He was very susceptible to peer influences. He enjoyed the camaraderie but it became rapidly clear to him he was out of his depth, realising the Aberdeen lot were outnumbered.

 

"He simply can't believe his stupidity."

 

Gregor Kelly said his client, Ord, now kept away from football and had cut down on alcohol.

 

He said: "Clearly he knew what was happening when he got a taxi up. He accepts he threw a stick but maintains he had been punched so picked up the nearest thing and threw it."

 

Sheriff Douglas Cusine told them: "This kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable. Each of you came close to being put in prison.

 

"There will be a three-year football banning order for each of you."

 

Grant was fined £500 and the others were ordered to pay £1,000.

 

Ord also admitted breaching the peace and throwing a stick at rival supporters.

 

Sheriff Cusine told him: "You have a previous conviction for a football-related offence that I have to take into account.

 

"It seems clear you have not learned your lesson from that activity."

 

Four of the Celtic fans involved were previously banned from every football ground in the UK for a total of seven years.

 

Aberdeen lost the game 2-1 to Celtic at Pittodrie.

Glad these cretins have been caught and punished.

 

Silly young lads and hopefully this will have taught them a lesson. Keep out of it or keep the fuck away from our club. Dicks.

 

away to fuck you fucking rat.

you wont change his mind cause he is a fucking tit

away to fuck you fucking rat.

 

Aye ok. No point in even engaging in conversation with you. 

 

 

Jager, I admit that the police attitude and government policy towards football fans is a disgrace. I've said as much already. I just don't think that is the whole reason that we are treated they way we are.

 

eight rugby fuckers one night in edinburgh kicked me uncontious while sitting in a bus stop with a girl I knew - but now we're into the realms of "away from the match" violence.  Also saw rugby fans get arrested off a train in Edinburgh for sexually assaulting the female train guard... how romantic - rugby fans are ALL good

 

No where did I say that rugby fans are all good. But experience of violence at football compared to that of rugby speaks for itself. Of course there are isolated incidents at both sports...but organised violence isn't an isolated incident. Sorry to hear of your experiences, but I hope the cunts were caught and punished accordingly. Bans, fines the lot.

 

convicted? yes, rightly so? only in respect that they got caught - punishment disproportionate, definitely. Never knew Breach of the Peace was a violent offence but there you go

 

Disproportionate? They've been banned from the football for a few years and fined. One was already a repeat offender for a similar offence. You'd have thought they were jailed by the reaction of some.

 

you wont change his mind cause he is a fucking tit

 

Still here? Have you not fucked off yet? 

 

 

if you want me to go then make me, send me a pm or are you happy to be a keyboard hardman

 

rat 

When i used to go to the matches there was lots of fights and like everyone else you just got stuck in (so im not going to condem anyone and yes we all know its wrong)

But why cant the polis not but out and let them get on with it (maybe it will give them more time to catch rapists and murderers etc)

Its human nature to fight whether at the football or on a saturday night out

I remember the days when aberdeen fans used to get treated like shit down in glasgow some got right doings and nothing was ever said (not just from the old firm the polis as well)

At least now aberdeen fans are sticking up for themselves.

 

well said that man

 

boys will be boys a slap on the wrists would have done

 

how old was the oldest lad 24?

You should fight each other. I'll fight the winner.

 

I'll fight you all.

 

 

When i used to go to the matches there was lots of fights and like everyone else you just got stuck in (so im not going to condem anyone and yes we all know its wrong)

But why cant the polis not but out and let them get on with it (maybe it will give them more time to catch rapists and murderers etc)

Its human nature to fight whether at the football or on a saturday night out

I remember the days when aberdeen fans used to get treated like shit down in glasgow some got right doings and nothing was ever said (not just from the old firm the polis as well)

At least now aberdeen fans are sticking up for themselves.

 

 

It's not human nature to fight. You can say it is to protect yourself but its not human nature to fight. Wise up.

 

"The police should butt out and let them got on with it"  "concentrate on murders and rapists." The police can't just let fights go on in the streets and do nothing. That would create anarchy and vigilantism. Also how many murders come from assaults? If the police didn't stop fighting how many more deaths would there be? 

 

P.S. I love all these EPL signatures. It so cool going on an Aberdeen forum and having an English team badge. England rules.

if you want me to go then make me, send me a pm or are you happy to be a keyboard hardman

 

rat 

 

Only one person trying to be the keyboard hardman here, and it ain't me.

 

You're clearly incapable of any sort of debate whatsoever.

 

At least now aberdeen fans are sticking up for themselves.

 

I don't have a problem with fans sticking up for themselves. Getting in a taxi to go to an arranged fight at a city centre hotel is hardly what I'd call sticking up for yourself.

I've never seen any trouble at rugby matches, but then I've never seen any atmosphere whatsoever either.

My brainbox might be going a little these days and although I don't have a Scooby Doo where the Gordon Hotel is, I'm certain that Wellington Road is up at Altens or Tullos isn't it?

 

If so, you'd have to jump in a taxi at Pittodrie, travel along King St back into town, take a right at the very bottom of Union Street, go halfway up one of the longest streets in Aberdeen, cross the bridge at the Trinity Centre, take a left down Bridge St, circumnavigate the train station, down South College St where the 'ASC KILL AWAY FANS' (or words to that effect) graffiti was for years, pass under the rail tracks at the arches, cross the river Dee bridge, up past Cragies and then drive up the hill for another couple miles.  Then having went through about 50 sets of traffic lights, 20 roundabouts, 5 dual carriageways and 30 junctions, you'll finally be at the hotel for a dust up.

 

That's not exactly "fighting at the football", causing 'normal' fans any problems or bringing a bad name to the club is it?

 

Unless of course you live 10 miles away from the ground right next to the hotel of course and you happened to be washing your car at the time.

 

Did anyone actually hear about this kerbside shoe shuffle before it was in the papers?

 

Sounds to me if the taxi driver had been caught speeding and was in possesion of a AFC tax disc then he'd be staring at a lengthy spell in the nick.

alota shite !

wisnae near the fitty avaa, the only reason they got made a message of was cause an OF team wiz envolved .

I mind when you got 75 pound fine after a couple o nights in queen street

 

banning for three years fae football - mans a fud

I'd do a three year ban in my sleep

you wont change his mind cause he is a fucking tit

 

Good comeback stoney.

 

Me and I'm sure a few others have came across a few of these "same as us young fellas" and to be frank, quite a few of them were just fucking tubes who cannae handle their hooch and drugs.

 

I know a few guys in the casuals and they really are good fellas but these younger guys get right on ma tits and for you to suggest anything else stoney is just daft.

 

I don't think JJ and Jager both aren't too far from the truth. Tha cashies give us an unfair rep which the govt of the day and the coppers are only too willing to act on and ridiculously exaggerate and therefore attempt to treat every single fitba fan as a potential mobber and rioter, which even the cashies aren't!

 

If anyone else was treated in the same way as fitba fans every single fucking week there would be a serious discussion about how much of an infringement of human rights it is.

 

Bit naw, it's fitba, a working class past-time, ra ra ra, we're going to smash the oicks!

 

As far as "near the fitba" is concerned, it's in the same city, the coppers will have you no matter what. I reckon most of us can say there's hardly ever any bother AT the fitba anymore.    

3 years ban from Pittodrie isn't exactly a punishment is it?  That's like doing those lads a favour. 

 

In all seriousness though, the club should ask the courts for the fines to be handed to them.  It's them that's being punished because they'll loose revenue.

Do people really think a bunch of Celtic fans having a fight with a bunch of Aberdeen fans on the day of an Aberdeen v Celtic match has nothing to do with football? 

if you want me to go then make me

 

3 years ban from Pittodrie isn't exactly a punishment is it?  That's like doing those lads a favour. 

 

In all seriousness though, the club should ask the courts for the fines to be handed to them.  It's them that's being punished because they'll loose revenue.

 

:lolabove:

Do people really think a bunch of Celtic fans having a fight with a bunch of Aberdeen fans on the day of an Aberdeen v Celtic match has nothing to do with football? 

 

Not sure if I read anyone's post saying that, I think it's more to do with the banning.  That scrap could go on whether they had match tickets in their pockets or not.  It could still go on now they have their 3 year bans.

 

The club are going to loose money on this and now you've got a group of lads who have nothing better to do with themselves on a Saturday afternoon.

 

As someone said, it was a breach of the piece but they can come down harder on them because us football fans are all genocidal maniacs.

I dinna think it has nothing to do with fitba... but because it was in my opinion the punishment was disproportionate.

 

Stoney's posts from last night are crackers 

Not sure if I read anyone's post saying that, I think it's more to do with the banning.  That scrap could go on whether they had match tickets in their pockets or not.  It could still go on now they have their 3 year bans.

 

The club are going to loose money on this and now you've got a group of lads who have nothing better to do with themselves on a Saturday afternoon.

 

As someone said, it was a breach of the piece but they can come down harder on them because us football fans are all genocidal maniacs.

 

 

Stoney was on form!

I've just accidentally spilled some coffee from my AFC mug.  Thank fuck this isn't Saturday or I'd be on deathrow by now.

 

Do these bannings actually work anyway?

Good points for both sides of the argument here.

 

I've never been a casual, and have had no desire to lamp someone else because they're on the opposite firm. But I admit I've stood on the outer edge of a few scuffles in the past involving casuals and admit there's a certain buzz to it all. The buzz I got is obviously something that these guys get from building up to a fight, then the actual fight itself, and finally the run from the authorities. I can see how and why they enjoy it. Throwing punches at innocent bystanders is out-of-order in my opinion. But if they want to organise a fight away from the football ground with like-minded individuals, then I say go for it.

 

I just don't think bans from football grounds is gonna fix this problem, cos these folk will travel wherever the club goes, regardless of whether they're banned from the grounds or not. Many of them sit in the pub whilst the game is on anyway, and wait for the text that tells them where and when it'll happen

 

Stoney was on form!

 

always nice to waken up in the morning with a stonking hangover findingvthe laptop sitting at the end of the bed.

 

i stand by what i said about jimmyjimmy tho  

 

anyways jog on you mugs im off to the bar fuck this hangover carry on  

Its just a pity Derek Young wasn't one of them 

always nice to waken up in the morning with a stonking hangover findingvthe laptop sitting at the end of the bed.

 

i stand by what i said about jimmyjimmy tho  

 

anyways jog on you mugs im off to the bar fuck this hangover carry on  

 

You're a good lad Stoney, you'd never get done for organised violence.

 

 

 

Mainly 'cause you couldn't organise a hot water bottle.