Jimmy Thelin

[Panda]

1 hour ago, The.Moog said:

So halfway through the “3 year project” where does everyone think we are?

I think he probably deserves at least the January transfer window, and it'll be the first with a sporting director. And if you're giving him that, then you're essentially giving him until April, unless the form becomes terrible again.

I do have my doubts now. Some really poor decision making coming from Thelin; namely I don't think he's used the squad well enough this season, and I think the tactics are wrong. But I have not lost faith with him the same way I did with Goodwin and Robson.

We're in December, we no longer have the European games, and there's still a lot to play for - third is still very much there, and should we be any less confident about winning the cup than we were at this stage last season?

So I'm still backing him for now, but a bit pissed off with him. 

 

Edited yesterday at 18:41 by Panda

[Elgindon]

^^Think thats about where Im at with him now.For all the investment,we're such a (mostly) disappointing watch. The window,with the help of Luts and Mowbray gives him breathing space to bolster the weaker areas,and the emergence of Kjartansson and Bilalovic offer a bit of hope going forward

[swaddon]

Whatever happened to Jimmy's friendship with Alex Ferguson? They were best pals when Jimmy first arrived (before Fergie then got pally with Russel Martin).

[irnbru1903]

I wish Fergie was there now to give Thelin some home truths and explain why that sort of showing is never acceptable for anyone associated with AFC. No one there cares enough these days.

[OneBrianIrvine.]

7 minutes ago, swaddon said:

Whatever happened to Jimmy's friendship with Alex Ferguson? They were best pals when Jimmy first arrived (before Fergie then got pally with Russel Martin).

You’ve got a bee in your bonnet about Fergie and Martin

They were never ‘best pals’, Fergie keeps up with everyone in Scottish fitba. Robinson was waxing lyrical the other day about getting congratulations after the cup final.

He’s the elder Scottish statesman putting his arm around everyone and I love him for it

[swaddon]

8 minutes ago, OneBrianIrvine. said:

You’ve got a bee in your bonnet about Fergie and Martin

They were never ‘best pals’, Fergie keeps up with everyone in Scottish fitba. Robinson was waxing lyrical the other day about getting congratulations after the cup final.

He’s the elder Scottish statesman putting his arm around everyone and I love him for it

I'm just surprised he would set foot in Ibrox again after the way he was treated as a player and the carry-on he had with them when he married a Catholic.

But maybe he doesn't hold grudges like I do.

[RicoS321]

Just now, swaddon said:

I'm just surprised he would set foot in Ibrox again after the way he was treated as a player and the carry-on he had with them when he married a Catholic.

But maybe he doesn't hold grudges like I do.

He fucking should, the Hun cunts. 

Although I still think Fergie is a Judas bastard for leaving the Dons.

[BigAl]

Thelin is here for three years

Those suggesting his time is up (and I did around end of Sept) are in for disappointment

His tendering of his resignation has already been rejected TWICE.

 

[Mason89]

I like him and I’m over the moon he won us the cup but we were shite when he arrived & been shite ever since. Even when we win we’re shite. 
We were shite during that winning streak, we were shite during that losing streak, shite in Europe and shite during the cup run which we eventually won playing shite 

There’s easy fixes he could make right now and he won’t do it, so the future is shite. 

[Nordicus]

18 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Thelin is here for three years

Those suggesting his time is up (and I did around end of Sept) are in for disappointment

His tendering of his resignation has already been rejected TWICE.

 

i am guessing - because Dave is too proud to admit he was wrong

THIRD time lucky then

Think it's obvious he doesn't want to be here

 

 

 

[Goldie03]

8 minutes ago, Mason89 said:

I like him and I’m over the moon he won us the cup but we were shite when he arrived & been shite ever since. Even when we win we’re shite. 
We were shite during that winning streak, we were shite during that losing streak, shite in Europe and shite during the cup run which we eventually won playing shite 

There’s easy fixes he could make right now and he won’t do it, so the future is shite. 

This kind of made me laugh but not really as quite an accurate summing up.

I'm glad I didn't see any of it today, cinema & panto were much better entertainment.

I cannot bear the thought of having to recruit another manager tho we do seem to be stuck in quite a rut - but potentially 6 managers in 6 different seasons ffs!!"

[BigAl]

Going nowhere lads 

Dave backs him even if Jimmy doesn't back himself

Disappointing as today was, a 3-1 defeat with two goals in the last six minutes, having played with ten men at Parkheid for forty nine minutes is hardly going to be the sword he is going to fall upon anyway 

[OrlandoDon]

5 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Going nowhere lads 

Dave backs him even if Jimmy doesn't back himself

Disappointing as today was, a 3-1 defeat with two goals in the last six minutes, having played with ten men at Parkheid for forty nine minutes is hardly going to be the sword he is going to fall upon anyway 

Agree on that, today was a free hit in a way, not really expecting to take points at Celtic, obviously their form gave us hope.

next three games are huge, ideally 9 points, to set us up for the rangers double header. They are nowhere near as good as Celtic and we need to be on form for that. Potential battle for third!

[BigAl]

Just now, OrlandoDon said:

Agree on that, today was a free hit in a way, not really expecting to take points at Celtic, obviously their form gave us hope.

next three games are huge, ideally 9 points, to set us up for the rangers double header. They are nowhere near as good as Celtic and we need to be on form for that. Potential battle for third!

100% agree OD

[Ajja]

I’m still firmly in the ‘desperately want it to work but increasingly unconvinced it will’ camp. Im trying to find excuses in my head every time we come out like a drunk boxer for first half after European games, why we don’t seem to have a set 11 and endlessly tinker, don’t give players a look in then bring them on at Parkhead, can’t defend balls into our box, can’t play out from back, play Jensen in every position on the pitch and he still runs forward, stops and runs back, Karlsson cuts in and smashes a shot of the first defender, Lazetic can’t play anywhere except in the pocket of the biggest centre back……the frustrations go on. Massive 5 games coming. Will determine whether we are battling to be the best of the bottom 6 or genuinely competing for 3rd. I’m not convinced it’ll be the latter at this stage. 

[Jute]

28 minutes ago, Ajja said:

I’m still firmly in the ‘desperately want it to work but increasingly unconvinced it will’ camp. Im trying to find excuses in my head every time we come out like a drunk boxer for first half after European games, why we don’t seem to have a set 11 and endlessly tinker, don’t give players a look in then bring them on at Parkhead, can’t defend balls into our box, can’t play out from back, play Jensen in every position on the pitch and he still runs forward, stops and runs back, Karlsson cuts in and smashes a shot of the first defender, Lazetic can’t play anywhere except in the pocket of the biggest centre back……the frustrations go on. Massive 5 games coming. Will determine whether we are battling to be the best of the bottom 6 or genuinely competing for 3rd. I’m not convinced it’ll be the latter at this stage. 

Bit in bold is where I am at the moment. I want it to work with Thelin but less and less confident it will. The recruitment over the summer definitely has not helped with players brought in not being good enough or ready for first team football but Thelin has not helped himself with stubbornly sticking to a formation, initially, then sticking with trying to play out from the back with a goal keeper who is clearly struggling with it. I am not sure giving Thelin another window will suddenly make us progress but at the same time do not want to back to square one by sacking him. 

[The.Moog]

1 hour ago, OrlandoDon said:

Agree on that, today was a free hit in a way, not really expecting to take points at Celtic, obviously their form gave us hope.

next three games are huge, ideally 9 points, to set us up for the rangers double header. They are nowhere near as good as Celtic and we need to be on form for that. Potential battle for third!

Dundee Utd home, Hibs & Falkirk away.

Not a cat in hells chance that mob & that manager the way he sets up are taking 9 points from those 3 games. Absolutely none...

[Nordicus]

I'd advise him to write his resignation in English next time.

[OrlandoDon]

15 minutes ago, The.Moog said:

Dundee Utd home, Hibs & Falkirk away.

Not a cat in hells chance that mob & that manager the way he sets up are taking 9 points from those 3 games. Absolutely none...

I didn’t expect to win at st mirren or killie, but we did. And utd aren’t a good team, results show that. No reason it can’t be 9 pts. But I still agree with you.

as stated, next 5 will show if we’re top or bottom 6, but realistically it’s next 3. All are totally winnable.

Prior to today and despite numerous painful performances, we were the top form team overly the last 10 games. We may still be. 
the majority here seem to want jimmy to work but it’s awful to watch. But the results aren’t bad.

weve got glaring holes in the squad but I’d certainly be curious to see what the Motherwell boss could do with our lot, plus his left back, forward, and David Watson!

[TheDonbytheDee]

4 hours ago, BigAl said:

Thelin is here for three years

Those suggesting his time is up (and I did around end of Sept) are in for disappointment

His tendering of his resignation has already been rejected TWICE.

 

Heard that too, both last season. One due to an issue between players, and the other during our winless run.

It must also be difficult for him being here, while his Wife and kids are in Sweden. That type of thing rarely works out well.

I like they guy a lot and want him to succeed, but I doubt it will.

We haven't progressed much on the field in his time with us, I'd actually say we've regressed as a team under him.

The cup win bought him a hell of a lot of credit, and rightly so and is keeping him in a job.

I have little optimism about the penguin kidnapper being the person that makes it all click under Thelin.

Hopefully it does though, as we all want a successful team on the park.

 

 

[OrlandoDon]

1 hour ago, TheDonbytheDee said:

Heard that too, both last season. One due to an issue between players, and the other during our winless run.

It must also be difficult for him being here, while his Wife and kids are in Sweden. That type of thing rarely works out well.

I like they guy a lot and want him to succeed, but I doubt it will.

We haven't progressed much on the field in his time with us, I'd actually say we've regressed as a team under him.

The cup win bought him a hell of a lot of credit, and rightly so and is keeping him in a job.

I have little optimism about the penguin kidnapper being the person that makes it all click under Thelin.

Hopefully it does though, as we all want a successful team on the park.

 

 

There is nothing in our style of play that suggests Thelin ball is innovative or creative, or working. There’s no thelin stamp on our team of what he’s all about, and our team really doesnt have any identity. If anything, one of the few things he’s clearly brought is inverted wingers and that’s certainly debatable whether it’s been a good or bad thing. We have a battling quality at times but everything from Thelin and his nice quiet persona suggests that’s a player personality and nothing Thelin brings. I’d argue anything successful has been as a result of us having qualities in players rather than a well coached product of Thelin. 
I desperately want him to be successful and don’t want yet another manager, but there’s nothing overly positive. Pains me to write this but I suppose I’m being a realist. Surely by now we should see a style, an identity, a quality of some sort. We should be seeing progress on the field. We’ve won recently but has that been good play, good coaching, consistent performance, or good fortune?
i also do feel we have enough talent to play better than we do. The gaffer is underachieving. Frustrating in a season that’s so rare that we could be challenging for the league due to both of the old firm being poorer at the same time. League and champions league are there for the taking. Not that we are ready for the champs league of course!

said it today already, I like the look of Motherwell’s berthel askou, his team is an interesting watch. If we do change a manager I’d really want someone who has familiarity with our league and has been impactful in some form, Motherwell have made progress this season.

Edited 19 hours ago by OrlandoDon

[OrlandoDon]

Meant to add, I said during our bad start to the season that Thelin had to be given time, and I’ve stuck by that, I felt Xmas was a fair time to judge. The new summer players are well and truly bedded in and he’s had June- now to work with the new squad, obviously some players coming in August. While I am not demanding his sacking, it’s not pretty and doesn’t seem to be working. No signs in our style of play or performances to suggest we are heading in the right direction. 

[Panda]

3 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Prior to today and despite numerous painful performances, we were the top form team overly the last 10 games. We may still be. 
the majority here seem to want jimmy to work but it’s awful to watch. But the results aren’t bad.

How impressive was it though? I did say I didn't think our performances are much better than they were prior to those 10 games. The last two games have shown how fragile we still are.

The reality is, for a club that has spent the money we have, the last time we beat one of the division's top sides over 90 minutes, and coupled it with a really good performance, was Hibs in April. 

We beat Hearts this season, but I think we all admitted on the match thread we weren't great and rode our luck a fair bit. St Mirren away was a decent result, but had our fair share of luck there with VAR, and they are a bottom six side anyway. The impressive performances have been against Dundee and Kilmarnock, teams that - with respect - we should be miles ahead of.

Since that Hibs win in April, it took us another 11 games to win another league game. And Hibs have been back to Pittodrie and utterly dominated us since then. That's regression rather than progress.

The next two games are huge. Not for the result, but if we go to Easter Road and get a chasing then what the hell have we been doing since April?

[RicoS321]

6 hours ago, Panda said:

what the hell have we been doing since April?

Winning the cup

Buying shite players 

Playing in a fucking awful tournament 

[Nordicus]

TBF    He is attempting to employ McInnes tactics 

Threaten to leave , in return for unwarranted pay raises