LA-Don

Glad to hear it was mild symptoms too, certainly don't wish anything otherwise to anyone. I'm just finishing my 10 days of quarantine, mild symptoms too, nothing different to a cold/mild flu I tend to get after Xmas every year when the weather is shitty and I'm run down. Given I haven't received any vaccine, I'd love to know, which we never will, how many people have actually had serious Covid problems who have ZERO other health issues. It's fascinating how some are affected so differently. I also wonder how people know which variant is which when I hear people say they had delta, omicron etc. Now that I finished my 10 days I still cannot celebrate with an indoor pint, pretty much can't do anything in LA, unvaccinated are banned from so many places. Curious if that will ever be lifted. Also interesting reading the UKs plan B today, sounds like common sense, learn to live and treat this rather than fight it since there has certainly been so much covid change in these two years.

We looked decent from what I saw tonight. However, we are clearly lacking players. I'd still play Hedges but that still leaves two players missing. I think our back 4 is decent, centrally we seem to be getting better, plus Ferguson and Brown ahead of the defense is strong. When McKenzie is fit I'd like to see Jonny back to wide left, he still has it as we saw tonight. At the same time we are crying out for another winger. McLennan is piss and I've said that far too many times already, Kennedy isn't the answer, plus we're dying for a #10. I'd assuming we were hoping that McGrath was coming, still feel McGinn could give us something there short term until a summer signing. Wrong thread, but is a loan move for Mikey Johnston out of the question? I know many of you don't like that type of thing. A cross between Christie and McGinn, could do a job.

Read today we are close to a precontract. Hoping we can punt Kennedy or the likes in their direction and get McGrath now.

I hate to call this 'enjoyable' debate and discussion given the nightmare many have experienced and continue to battle, but I do appreciate this. However, many act like people have just decided to refuse a vaccine that's been around forever with a proven successful and safe history. This situation is unique. The people I know who have not taken the vaccine are also not crazy anti vaxxers; they are educated, all concerned that these are still new drugs, experimental vaccines, with minimal history, and there's problems with them. These were all vaccines just approved, fast tracked, with steps skipped in approval. These were not developed like normal vaccines, plus mRNA vaccines are not normal or common vaccines. What has happened to date doesn't provide reassurance. People are also protesting the mandating and forcing of a new vaccine that is damaging people. That's not fake news. So many are worried about covid yet slam those worried about vaccine damage. I don't understand why there is concern for one group of people but not for another huge group of people. We have the J&J vaccine being safe then unsafe. It kills some people. We have blood clotting, we have inflamed hearts, we have neurological issues, people displaying symptoms mirroring the early stages of MS, and more. I shared my cancer concern. Again, this is not fake, and I hear more of this because my wife works with and knows doctors dealing with this. This is not one or two people, it's tons of people worldwide. And these people are being cancelled, shut out, ignored, and told to fuck off. It's not such a small number that should simply be brushed off. Had my wife not worked with doctors, holistic doctors, and in integrative medicine, we'd be none the wiser too. You don't get most of this information on mainstream media. The media is pushing one side and doing their best to totally discredit another real story. You need to know where to read and look but it's out there. I personally know someone who died suddenly two weeks after the vaccine, and two others currently battling vaccine damage. I referenced my sister and how her cancer treatment stopped working after she was vaccinated. That could be coincidence, I note that, but had she cancer and covid it would have been called a covid death. I don't know a single person who has died of covid (obviously people have) plus every single person I know who has had covid experienced full recovery. Some of you have had covid or know people who have had covid. The huge majority are just fine now, yet many of the vaccine damaged still have complications and challenges long past covid sufferers being back to full health. Some of this vaccine damage appears permanent. And there are deaths. Are we concerned for everyone or just one group? My friend I referenced yesterday is an nationally established and very well connected doctor who knows where to go for help - she was shut out by the FDA, the CDC, NIH, all of the major drug companies, and so many other medical agencies and experts. Nobody in positions of power are willing to help people who have been vaccine damaged. Why aren't these people being given help, even recognized? I referenced Jeremy Chardy and Eric Clapton having lost their careers from COVID vaccine damage since you'd know their names. Why isn't there concern for people like them? Why aren't people demanding answers? I don't blame Djokovic for not taking the vaccine when he's seen a similarly heathy, similar aged close friend just lose his livelihood and career. From what we are seeing, the vaccines have had success but they are not performing as hoped. That doesn't provide reassurance, only make people more hesitant. I wish people would seriously explore both sides and read up on the damage this new vaccine causes before passing judgement. COVID is horrible but the chances of catching it and having severe complications are very slim. There is a slim chance I'll be vaccine damaged, or is it so slim? And why am I so selfish not to take the risk when I am not in the high risk category. I can't remember who said it's like being asked to wear a seat belt. Not quite. It's like being asked to wear a seatbelt that is new, improved, and environmentally friendly.....but it may fail, cause an accident, or possibly even seriously injure or kill you.

So what I am hearing is that you are taking your ball and going home because people won't play your game and make you captain. That's the problem with society today, we are totally intolerant of difference. It's black or white to you, when in this situation there's a ton of grey. You use the term 'anti vaxxer' much like people use the word 'racist.' It's a general term because you don't really have anything else to say. You also made the mask comment when I do believe publicized studies show few work. Makes me question your knowledge. I'm man enough to admit I don't know enough and appreciate this discussion. I appreciate the comments of elgin, rico, jute, sancho etc. These are fascinating times. Horrible times too. Turning to insults and disrespect doesn't help anyone, again the problem with society, particularly in the US with race and politics. If people want to get the vaccine good for them, you have every right. I gave you my points in regards to transparency, cancer, the newness of a vaccine, motive of government etc. Doesn't make me an anti vaxxer but someone with genuine and real concern. I've also done a fair amount of research and there are many like me with more questions than answers. There's also a ton of vaccine damaged, many severe. I cannot simply ignore that. Governments are corrupt and dishonest, none more so than in the US, yet I'm expected to blindly do as I'm told. I'm sorry but I can't. Your last point about no vaccine causing chronic conditions is flawed. We've never had an mRNA 'vaccine before, and some doctors involved in the mRNA production are already expressing concerns. We're also dealing with an ever evolving target and you can already see the ineffectiveness of the current batch of vaccine. You've seen the blood clotting issues of the J&J vaccine and it being 'un'recommended' - we were told it was safe and now it's not. Is there a possibility we'll see more problems and what we were told was safe is not? There's enough evidence to suggest we will, but I certainly hope I am wrong.

What was the manc quote??? I don't know where you live but it's definitely divided people here. Biden himself is dividing people and blaming the unvaccinated. And segregation is pushed here in places. It's also been proven from what I understand, that due to the size of covid particles the vast majority of masks are useless. We should worry about the group of people who are vulnerable to covid. Everyone is not in the same situation. Kids are not an issue. As I said before, kids statistically have more chance of getting hurt or killed in car accidents. Why is this such an issue? Or why not ban car travel.... Covid stats are flawed. Without doubt people have died but over here for example, you could have covid with no symptoms and a month later die in a car accident. Recorded as a covid death since you're in the system as having covid. Any possible link to covid was called covid and a covid death for the longest time. You've never been told by a doctor to eat healthily, exercise, and take vitamins? I'd find a new doctor if not. They should promote healthily lifestyles, not just deal with after the fact problems. The real numbers to me are covid deaths of people with uncompromised systems, plus the age of people. How many have died of pure covid alone? For kids under 12 alone, I heard that number (and this was about 2 months ago) was less than 20. You are correct, it's about togetherness and respect. And that's not vaccine or fuck off, there are other means to deal with this that don't involve the risk of emergency and unproven drugs.

As you say, I test regularly which I do weekly, I wear a mask (to keep others happy) even though I highly question the effectiveness of it, and I socially distance even though there question marks about how far etc too. I also exercise, monitor my diet, take vitamins etc., don't smoke, limit sugar intake. I do a lot for my health, and my families health, and that affects others health. But there are so many who call me selfish and want me to care for them when they don't care for themselves. There's plenty of wreckless people out there, vaccinated and unvaccinated. There's idiots on both sides and you can throw any idiot into a media situation and they'll prove your argument. I don't understand those who drive cars alone wearing masks, that's like going to bed alone wearing a condom.....just in case. It's too early to say how effective these vaccines and boosters are, everything is short term right now, and we keep seeing new strains. But my concern is long term, I'm not interested in quick fix. In the vaccine formation process every sample size and study was limited, rushed, even skipped through steps. This situation is being used to divide people, and it's ugly. And sad. We won't know the real effects of covid or the vaccines until years from now. I just hope neither side faces long term damage. Anyone has a platform and anyone puts information out there, and so many can seem educated, qualified, and credible. Who do we believe? Who is the one producing fake news? We know our governments lie and they sensor the news. How does that help us make educated and informed decisions? I'm not anti vax but when I had my kids I was told they would need something like 50 shots before they start school. It may even have been before the age of 3, I can't remember. They also wanted to shoot my baby up multiple times at once. That led me to ask questions. I also asked my family in Scotland and England, and the US asks for way more vaccines than the UK. It led me to reading what is in vaccines, how vaccines are combined, the effects of mercury on a babies brain for example. I also read some of the studies to produce vaccines and the steps they go through. My neighbor has 3 kids all with autism.......is it coincidence that with the increase in vaccines we see more autism? The US has the most vaccinated kids and is the autism capital of the world. It just makes me wonder, are we fully researching and studying what we pump into people or just rushing things through to make money? The vaccine industry here is minimally regulated, and you get drugs on the market that have had very little testing. People just take them. They believe their doctor.......a doctor who can be a fully licensed doctor with approx 6 months of vaccine training i believe, who has their salary paid by a hospital who is primarily funded by big pharma. They are pushed and I believe financially incentivized to give vaccines. I'm a teacher but I cannot teach every age and every subject, just like a doctor knows very little about many medical topics. Yet so many believe their doctor without question. A doctor whose salary is paid by big pharma. Big pharma who funds govt. You can also look at those high up in both big pharma and govt and see relationships, party, and family ties. It's scary the more you look. This makes me sound a total conspiracy theorist I know, but I think big pharma, govt., and covid is one huge ugly fucking mess and public health is not ultimately the concern. If it was, we would not be forcing and mandating vaccines, we would have a very different approach. We would be focused on public health, connection, support, and bringing people together (as Biden campaigned for!) Our president here continues to blame the unvaccinated and predicts a winter of death for us.......very encouraging, supportive and uniting.

I understand what you are saying but I don't believe there is evidence to prove any of this with the covid vaccine. Clinical trials were rushed and steps skipped, that's documented and available to the public too, although I'm believe educated people and doctors who are telling me that. Even with full FDA approval that process was fast tracked and steps skipped. There is very limited documentation and research available to the public and there's a reason govt/big pharma wants these records sealed for 55 years. I believe that is presently being fought in court. We're being told to believe government and people like Fauci here over in the states but the story keeps changing. There's even little real evidence and factual studies to prove masks work. The overall effectiveness of these vaccines is highly debatable with each coming strand, hence the boosters and talk of more jabs. Clearly the vaccines have benefitted some but not others which again leads me to the point I get slammed for. There's enough doubt, censorship, and questioning to validate vaccine hesitancy and push back.

It's not letting me edit. One last thing. The story keeps changing. It's now my understanding that the vaccinated can catch covid, spread covid, and even booster you can do both. Getting a vaccine is now being sold that it means I won't get so sick. Why am I then being selfish if it's now only about me and my level of sickness? Isn't that personal choice? However, how do we know that? How do we know that the vaccine prevents severe illness? Where are the extensive test cases/trials? There are none because we don't fully understand each variant. The goalposts keep moving.

What kind of response are you wanting? People have responded before, they just don't share your views. It's like you want a fight but others don't want to fight or name call. We're a bunch of strangers on line with a common interest, discussing something very political. That gets ugly. I don't want to fight with strangers. You can respectfully agree or disagree, your call. I can only give a perspective of someone who lives in the states. Covid is political. I have not received any covid vaccine and will not until all my questions are answered. Or never. I'm not a crazy anti-vaxxer but I'm sure the crazy name calling will come. If a really new cool car came on the market that was sold as very cheap, sexy, ultra safe, and good for the environment (a car for the greater good!) people would buy it. But if it started to break down, blow up, and kill people in accidents, it would be recalled and taken off the market. While the vaccine has saved lives, it has taken lives. Why is it not taken off the market? I know people who have died from it and I know people that have been damaged by it. Research Dr Danice Hertz in Santa Monica, a doctor who got the vaccine because it was the right thing to do. She has been damaged but now shunned and outcast by the medical community and is now campaigning world wide for fully vaccine transparency. Listen to Eric Clapton talk about it, even Jeremy Chardy. They are public figures whose careers have been ended by the vaccine. I actually think listening to Joe Rogan of all people is of interest. Listen to doctors who talk about the problems with vaccines. Why are they all being discredited and being told they are spreading misinformation? They are educated and qualified people too. Listen to the doctors who developed the mRNA vaccine too, they have concerns. When I hear government tell me the vaccine is safe I know they are lying. They won't tell you about major side effects. Indeed, when you ask they are like you, you are jumped on, punished, and treated like criminals. Talk to the people who got the J&J vaccine and were told it was safe, and then developed blood clots. It's now not recommended because, infact, it's not safe. We are not getting full medical transparency, and all info. My wife works with doctors who are working with vaccine damaged patients. These people are being shut out and not heard. These people are being told they are the misinformation spreaders and being blocked from twitter, youtube, facebook etc. Those sharing the alternative story to the one the government is pushing are being shut down and cancelled. Why is our media being censored? Do you believe you are getting accurate and real news or are you being told a story that fits an agenda? I don't believe I'm being given all the real information to make an informed decision about getting a vaccine. It is, after all, an irreversible medical procedure. My life has been completely changed due to this vaccine. I'm about to lose my job over it, and my son has been kicked out of school because HIS PARENTS aren't vaccinated. That's fucked up. My live is severely limited in what I can do and where I can go. I'm relocating to Florida because I believe in their stance of how to live your life. My sister died of cancer in November. She was 50 and I'm actually 49 today. This is my second sibling to die of cancer. There are reports that cancer patients in remission have seen cancer return after being vaccinated. My sisters treatment stopped working right after she was vaccinated. Coincidence? I honestly don't know but there is simply not enough studies/evidence of the covid vaccine and cancer to reassure me that it doesn't stimulate cancer in any way. My sister left behind a husband, and two boys 11 and 13. I have a wife, a 3 and 6 year old. I'm, not willing to put any of my families lives at risk when I simply don't know enough about this vaccine. Nobody does, it's too new. Nobody can tell me long term side effects and consequences. We are now seeing the vaccine pushed to kids when if you follow the science and look at studies and evidence, kids are at more risk being injured and dying in a car accident than being injured and dying of covid. That's fucked up but why is this happening? We are still not being told 100% factually where covid came from. Why? If this is that big an issue we would know. What are we not being told? We are obsessed with covid cases when that is not the issue. The issue is severity of covid. The vast majority of cases now are minor symptoms. It 's winter, cold and flu season, everyone gets sick in winter. Old people and compromised people die every winter. I don't believe the situation right now is much different to other winters, everyone gets runny noses, coughs, colds etc. yet we are obsessed with covid and listen to government tell us how to live. You can name call and tell me I'm a fucking lunatic. I got that just over a year ago when I said Trump was a better alternative than the democrats, even though Trump was a lunatic. I think I'm proven right given how the last year has passed, and I think I am right again with covid. While covid vaccine has saved lives, it has taken lives. We should be educating people on healthy lifestyles and how to live better, and live with covid. That's the smart thing to do. But those trying to treat covid with alternative methods are being shut out. Why? Getting everyone healthy and making their own choices doesn't benefit government, or big pharma. For what it's worth, America requires more vaccines that any other modern country in the world - is that because we are the smartest? The healthiest? Or the greediest? Pfizer has made over $33 billion off covid as I've said before. The government doesn't do anything for the people. It's a business obsessed with power, money, greed, and control. If it was about health the vaccine info would have been shared worldwide immediately, it was not. We wouldn't have an open southern border with unvaccinated and untested illegals coming in if it was abut health. This goes on and on. I'm not a crazy anti-vaxxer, pushing flat earth, believing in microchips in vaccines etc. I just think we don't know enough to make an informed decision. If you believe you have all info and it's the right thing to do then get the vaccine, good for you. But I do believe given the newness and the lack of full transparency, it should be a choice.

I'm thinking Longstaff was Ferguson's replacement and we thought he was away in the summer. Not sure he'll leave just yet, especially if Ferguson goes. Saying that, as mentioned, with Bates and Gallagher now here, I'd rather see McRorie in midfield if Ferguson is away. We need a winger and #10 in January. Plus offload the likes of Kennedy and McLennan

Twofold answer to that, which kind of involves Rico's comment too. Bored with this team, not excited for games, similar feeling to the latter years of McInnes. Willing to still give Glass a chance but he hasn't gotten any breaks. Saying that, everyone questioned whether he was the right man for the job, plus his signings for the most part haven't worked out. Injuries certainly haven't helped, but when we have no flair or creativity in the team we will struggle. Christie, Maddison, and McGinn in their day all brought magic that entertained, required defenders attention, created chances and goals, and created space for others. Hedges isn't as good as the aforementioned three but he can help on his day, and certainly Ramsey can, but a legit winger and #10 have to be a priority in the January window.....which is a shit window for signings. Agree with the previous comment/thread about dumping players but that's tough too given our injuries. Bored with the league, same old same old year after year, including shit games and shit weather. We need summer football. Would love a 16 team league, old style league cup with home and away two leg ties, or scrap the league cup altogether and add a cup with teams from Ireland and Wales. It's stale in my eyes. Rangers and Celtic will dominate and we'll fight for the scraps, I need to see change to inspire. 2-1 tonight, Ferguson and Ramirez.

Honestly, there are no world beaters. Portugal, Italy, and Holland are good but not great. Any of the 6 in the semi is fine, but certainly Wales or Sweden would be preferable if it came down to that.....if they win a semi.

Beat me to it by about 5 seconds!

Well........ Turkey, Poland, N. Macedonia, Ukraine, Austria, or the Czechs. Take your pick.

I'll add this. Excellent performance in a game that mattered, and that's what I consider. But it mattered to us only and we showed up. I don't know Denmark enough to say how deep a squad they have, but we beat a depleted Czech and Croatia in the past only to lose to them when it mattered to both teams. First half is the best I've seen Scotland play in a long time, second half I think Derek McInnes maybe had a word in Clarke's ear about game management. Got me a little concerned the longer the game went on and the more possession Denmark had. We rode our luck a couple of times, particularly the sclaff 6 yards out that dribbled into Gordon's hands. We didn't really show up in the euros against the Czech and Croatia, yesterday showed we can when it matters and it's not England we are playing. A semi like that and we have every chance, plus even Portugal and Italy have vulnerability and, especially at Hampden, I say why not us??

So, realistically, it's probably a home semi against Finland, Austria, Turkey/Norway, N. Macedonia, or Wales/Poland/Czech.......I think. Final potentially against Russia, Sweden, Italy, or Portugal. Ugh.... What dictates hosting the final?

Ignore that. Looks like Poland, N. Macedonia, Finland, and Sweden/Turkey already have dropped more points than Italy...... For what it's worth, good chance we finish with the best record of 2nd placed teams, level with Portugal.

Can't put it better myself. Excellent effort and work rate all around, but it was the focus and disciple, especially when we tired which we clearly did. Also special mention to McGinn, super game.

Excellent night. Win and no bookings. Now, knowing our luck, we get Italy in the semi...

Would rather see McLean for McGregor, and Turnbull for Armstrong. Could be better, could be much worse.

I see they are top of their Europa Table tonight with 3 wins and a draw out of 4, including winning at Kairat tonight. Decent side.

I'm thinking a back three of McRorie Brown and Bates, wing backs Ojo and Hayes, compact midfield of Campbell McGeouch and Ferguson, Ramirez up top, Hedges freedom to roam. I'm not one to knock Glass yet but he does make you think. He spoke very highly of Gurr who has disappeared of late, makes the bench. Injured or simply gash? Half expected him in place of Ramsay, but I'd honestly prefer Ojo at wing back......if he in fact plays there.

Lots of worry and understandably so but I'm willing to give Cormack a chance. He's pumped money into the club at a time we needed it. On the field I think we are getting knee jerk too. Glass wasn't my choice but he needs a season at least. I know we said the same in '95 that we were too good to go down, but I think we are this year. Think we'll be top 6, maybe 5th or 6th. We needed a brand new team and he's been forced to do that. Taylor was bang average at best, and crippled Hoban was getting worse. Andy is old and in decline, despite being reliable he makes his mistakes. We're blooding two excellent young fullbacks and McGrorie, Bates, and Gallagher aren't bad players. I think they are good additions. They need time to develop as a unit. I don't think dropping Lewis was the right thing, mistakes happen when you have a shaky defense. Plus, we know he's a good keeper, dropping keepers doesn't usually make them better, especially when the back up is average. Our best two midfielders (productivity wise) in the last 10 years has been Hayes and McGinn. They're almost done. Wright had potential but left. Ferguson needs to leave. Kennedy and McLennan aren't good enough. Hedges gets injured. We need(ed) a whole new midfield, on top of a whole new defense. Personally I'd drop Ferguson and would even prefer McRorie replacing him in midfield. We had no forwards last year. I think Ramirez is the new Rooney if given the service, plus you'd get a similar return if you give him penalties too! McInnes needed to go and Glass inherited a total mess. We needed a whoe new starting 11 for the most part. Only fair we give him a little time to try to figure it out.