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It doesn't prove any point. That was my point. There is no proof from 100% AK at all (unless they come back with the leaked evidence of poisonous landfill or the council offering land), as that spiel was sentimental bollocks. Just as there has been no proof in Yule's article, it in itself was either sentimental bollocks or unscrutinised shite. If you put an evidence-based-filter on either speech you'd be left with nothing. Which means the questions around 12,000 capacity and the transport issues remain unanswered. Which gets to the heart of the matter, and I've said it a hundred times on the thread. We're making a once-in-a-hundred year decision here. I want to make an informed judgement. Yule's article doesn't grant me that.

It isn't though, is it? I just gave you two good examples that are lacking transparency. There's nothing sentimental about either of those positions. Neither is there anything sentimental when saying that we should be in the city, and not way out in the country. That is obviously just good business - putting your business closer to the population centre (it's arguable of course, but not sentimental). That was what my point was. Yule brings up sentimentality in response to non-sentimental questions. For every accusation of sentimentality, there are far, far more calls for us "to come together" and "move on" and so on (i.e. sentimental bollocks). Just take a casual glance at a Pittodrie press release or a DST one. Each side of that argument presents no fact and poses no questions, so they're equally sentimental and equally bullshit.

Exactly. They may have a contingency of training ground only, but no plan B for the stadium. They'd just re-visit later or appeal.

What a fucking awful article and "interview" (I ken they're only regurgitating the EE one). The headline doesn't reflect what was said in article and Yule is given free reign to spout unquestioning shite. That's what journalism is these days, fucking corporate press releases. Absolute patronising pish from Yule. It is nothing to do with sentimentality and everything to do with lack of transparency and the simple fact that a lot of folk do not believe a chairman who has spent near on 20 years promoting a vision that most folk didn't agree with until very recently. We have a 12,000 figure (recently down from 12,500) with absolutely no supporting evidence and a transport plan that appears unsuitable at present. Genuine questions requiring genuine answers. As for the 30 acres pish. That only stands up if we're going by the ludicrous notion that every stadium requires a training ground within 2 metres of it. Nobody is questioning the training facilities on their own. Nobody. It's disingenuous to spout that shite and he knows it. Nae his fault like, where the fuck are the supporting questions? Awful article.

Maybe he just fancies a change of scene. Everyone seems to ignore this when talking about footballers. It'd be no different to me fancying a job abroad. The financial gain will be minimal I expect, but I suspect Oxford is a nice place to live. If only there was a poster on here that could confirm...

She was probably commenting on the amount raised by comic relief or some shite. That's the benchmark of a nation's kindness it seems.

But surely those points you quoted - regardless of the messenger - are pretty valid points raised? Or, more correctly, questions unanswered. I don't imagine ACC will just blindly pass this. For those in the know: is it likely there will be an approval subject to conditions or is it more likely, given the points raised by ACC, that they'd just reject it and leave it up to AFC to come back with better plans?

This. I don't believe traffic is that bad from/to Westhill having worked there quite a few times recently. Given the timings of the matches in general, I don't believe the additional traffic will cause anything but a short delay at very specific - and non-peak - times. I'm not sure, exactly, how the bypass will help or not. A lot will depend on the design around that area and how accommodating it is. It would have been better to have had this sorted a couple of years back and stadium access integrated into the design rather than an afterthought which will end up being half-arsed. It'll be interesting to see it in action. However, those are just my thoughts, I don't know the legalities, or planning considerations, around it but I expect they won't be onerous.

I did think they would win this won. Slovenia are not a better team than Scotland. Well played though. Some decent performances, Armstrong notably. Great finish by the horses airse Martin. I think we'll struggle against England with that defence. Delaying the inevitable.

I think this is where most folk go wrong. The need to produce the same dishes in "vegan-style" to normalise the diet is where it disnae work in my opinion. There are hunners of good veg and pulse based reciped - aye, really good ina - that there really is little point in trying to fashion a sassidge or burger. I'm veggie or vegan maist nights, with red meat once a month maybe, chicken every couple of weeks or so, fash once a week. I could happily have no meat at all. Was at a bbq today like with some real nice food on the go, and ate a shite load of meat. Didn't really need to, and glad I don't do it often. Eating for the sake of eating basically. There is a preachy problem with veganism, however I think there is a far greater problem on the opposing side of the debate. It's nearly impossible to have a reasonable debate with someone who says "I need my meat like", "I'm a carnivore", "I dinna eat rabbit food" etc uber-manly bullshite. Quite often they're a fat cunt ina, but that's certainly nae exclusive to meat-eaters. Usually the people arguing have a diet of the most bland foods possible; things that don't need to be eaten by humans (fash finggers and oven chips) The ignorance from the meat-eating side of the debate is often galling, and shows a total lack of imagination and willingness to try new things. I don't believe we can feed everyone in this country sustainably on farmed meat (nevermind the planet, the evidence is overwhelming) and I reckon every steak I eat today is one less for my future grandchildren (cunts). I think it's an immensely wasteful use of land and subsidy. I also don't think humans are meant to eat meat 7 - 14 times a week (dinner + supper), we've nae really evolved to do that. Finally, the wealth of options with veg is immense and I think ye develop a far better palette eating the veg most of the time. Meat can often be a good flavouring ina, I reckon less is better.

I enjoyed Glengoyne tour like, and I took my niece afore she could walk. She had to avoid one of the rooms, but they were fine about it and her ma just took her out and re-joined the tour for a couple of bits where she was greeting. Awesome whisky too like, a big favourite of mine. GlenDronach and Glen Garioch supposed to be good ina if yer nae interested in travelling too far. Knockdhu might be worth a shot ina. Let us ken foo ye get on.

Why do you insist on putting a "Z" in Fraser's name? He was injured, and wasn't on the bench (in the stand, perhaps you saw him). Anyway, Rhodes? Really isn't the amazing player you're making him out to be. He's been pish for Scotland in every game he's played. Anyway 2, that'll hopefully be the end of Strachan after Sunday. Clueless fud. He'll make a couple of flippant remarks in his interview afterward to further cement his lack of respect before telling everyone how great Chris Martin and Lee Wallace are. McGhee will follow up with a comment about how Canada are nowhere near the 117th team in the world.

It is a cool beard like.

Who the fuck are you talking to? I've managed to have a meaningful debate - as someone who's against the proposal - with everyone here without being "attacked", and neither are you being. Stop being such a dick and address the questions asked of you. No-one on here is hugely overwhelmed by the kingsford location, so a sensible argument would probably get a lot of reasoned responses. If there is to be a "wakey wakey" moment for Milne and Yule, then you'll still be a dick.

Fit?

Eh? You're not even backing up your own point here. Rhodes plays for Sheffield Wednesday in the Championship, the league in which a lot of our players play in (including Cooper). The dons have arguably played against better teams this season than any championship side (the Tims are better than any Championship side for example, plus we played in europe). The difference between Championship and SPL is negligible (SPL is possibly worse, but also different style). Let's say it is worse though, Strachan's job isn't to pick players based on which league they play in, his job is to pick players who are on form and good enough. Your (and Strachan's) method of selection sees players on the bench for championship sides playing ahead of those playing consistently for the second best team in the SPL. That simply doesn't add up. Grant Hanley only playing 8 games in the championship this season should make him ineligible. I'm not making an argument for dropping Snodgrass here, the talent is not "abundant" at that level as you suggest. The notion that the Scotland manager has no duty to the game in this country is perhaps a fair one. I think he should. When things are borderline, he should always side with the SPL. We can see with the interest in tonight's game how ignoring the game in your own country fairs. You mention that You name Scott Brown, who has been excellent in his Scotland career. I've been to many games where he was the best player on the park. That doesn't mean I think he should retire and un-retire at will however. Darren Fletcher has also had an excellent Scotland career with some great games. It's noticeable that the people who criticise him don't generally see him in the flesh (that's not a criticism of you by the way), as his covering of the back four of camera and work off the ball in general is excellent. Hutton is a perfect example of what I mention above, where a player is simply included because of the league he plays in. A fit Hutton could be amazing, but an unfit Hutton was like playing with a man down.

What?

Really? I don't buy it. I think the club are overstating the "facilities" on offer. It's basically a bunch of fitba pitches. Perhaps a gym if it opens to the public. There is a hotel at the Prime 4 (Village?) with a swimming pool and gym. There are several fitba pitches in Westhill, closer to the town centre. I just don't see it as even a requirement of the local area, never mind something that might garner a lot of use. One of the major drawbacks of the facilities being right next door to the ground is that they probably won't be able to be used on a Saturday between midday and 6pm. I play(ed) in a block booking at ASV every week between 12:00-13:00 or sometimes 13:00-14:00. It was always busy. Saturday afternoons are a good time to be open if yer selling fitba pitch space. Also, and less of an issue, block bookings will be regularly affected by games being moved to Saturday lunchtime, Sunday etc. When you have as many different sites to choose from, you'd probably choose the one that allowed a fixed time for x number of weeks. I think that last point would be offset by the "AFC effect" though of being able to play at AFC's training ground. Finally, if we were a community club, then we wouldn't be moving out of a community to a dual carriageway. It's no more "community" than Asda Portlethen.

I'll be honest, it took me a few seconds to remember whether he was a hun or a tim.

I have a question.

^^^^This. It is an obligation and it should be hammered home. If Jack leaves in the summer, citing lack of international recognition, the club should go to town and sue the SFA. That'd set the cat into the chicken-hoose. The SPL should be the default for the manager, not some no-mark Leeds cunt with a Scottish friend of the neighbour. Even if it is tokenism and he doesn't believe in it, it's hugely important to promote the game from within. I've been to a lot of Scotland games over a number of years and I enjoy it, but it's really difficult these days when you see the snub to our own league. I don't think it would be contentious to say that - at present - supporting Scotland is detrimental to Scottish fitba. I wouldn't suggest that people stop supporting them in their hooses, but I would strongly suggest that any Aberdeen fan didn't give money to the SFA in support of the national team (I went to the recent Hampden Lithuania game and those before and am happy to admit to being a part of the problem).

I agree with yer first point, not so sure about yer last. I think both grounds would see a short term increase in attendances. I don't think either would be sustained. I reckon our crowds are about the right size for the league we play in. With 4 games a season against each team (I ken, top 6 etc), I think the attendances are dispersed over the season as there are few big games due to their regularity. However, because of the reasons in your first point, I think attendances at Westhill would drop off significantly after 6-8 years unless something radical happens in the field of urban transportation. I don't necessarily think that's an unrealistic prospect either given technological advancement, but I wouldn't be betting my locating of a new stadium on it. At present, there seems little logic in the transportation strategy for Westhill. If I still lived in the centre of town, I would be hard-pressed to head out to Westhill on a shitey bus every week. I'd manage for a couple of seasons, but it really would give me an excuse to gie up my season ticket. As I'm South of the city, I'd drive, but I wouldn't be having 3 folk in my car. That'd likely mean having to pick someone up in town, which'd be a massive hassle. Which is one of the big points that gets missed. Depending on who I'm gan to the fitba with, they're either North of the City, West End of the city, the city centre or BOD (fariver the fuck that is). It's easy to converge on the city centre and pick up on the way if required. If there's a 3 person limit on cars, then that's a huge turn off for me as I wouldn't be able to comply. I don't suppose I'm the only one who meets others arriving in different vehicles/buses etc from different locations. I'm assuming they couldn't police this at Arnhall, and so in turn the parking for X number of cars with 3 people becomes ever more unrealistic. Anyway, ED you mention the (un)likelihood of people not going because of a small change in journey. I think that hugely underestimates the modern individual. A recent study I read by Microsoft and Google on the likelihood of websites being a success stated that by slowing a website down by 250milliseconds it will be abandoned over time. Convenience is paramount, that's how we've designed our society today (I'm not saying that's a good thing). Grown men actually go to the shops instead of the fitba today. It's fucked up, but out of sight out of mind Pittodrie will have to buck a few trends in order to get more folks through the door in a sustained fashion.

I guarantee you'd never heard of him, or seen him play, before his call up. Me neither obviously. Hopefully Strachan only continuing his pathetic reign for the next week, so I can take a wee bit of interest again.

Pittodrie is fucking cool.