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The P&J guy has since clarified - or been forced to clarify - on X that "no" is an out of context quote and "no, not yet" is more accurate.

It’s laboured and “careful” because the team is completely lacking in confidence. Whatever happened towards the end of Jimmy’s time, or really since the end of our good spell in the autumn, has sapped all the belief out of the entire squad. Hopefully the new signings and the return of the doc can make a difference, alongside results like tonight.

As slim says, you’d go mad if that was against you. However, the keeper was well off his line so olusanya wouldn’t have had to run all the way in, all he needed to do was get to the ball to have a scoring chance.

Motherwell doing a bit of squad rotation tonight? Bold…

I sure hope the cup game(s) are our only big games of the season but our form gives me the fear that the league isn't quite as finished for us as we'd like it to be. Worst away form in the league, 10th overall for the last six games courtesy of what looks like a bit of a fluke win against Livi and second bottom for the last 10 games is very worrying stuff.

Doesn’t that contradict your point about St Johnstone and St Mirren’s success? And we won the cup last season despite being mince in the second half of the league season, which also doesn’t stack up with your argument. Without having the stats to hand, I’d imagine that over the period you reference we’d have gained the third or fourth most points overall, which is a much more reliable measure of league “success” for our budget rather than just looking at Motherwell. Plus, we have done better than Motherwell in the league and won two more trophies so it’s not really the most relevant comparison anyway, which was kinda my original point.

Nah, I’d rather judge my club on trophies won as those are the days and moments that I’ll remember and tell my grandkids about, not the day we finished the appropriate number of places above Motherwell in the league per pound spent. However, I would very much agree with a wider point about underachieving in terms of trophies won, especially in the gap between old and new Rangers.

I guess I'd just like us to have more than one u21 player and an ex player in the u19s. The number of players in and around the full squad who have played for us is actually quite impressive but it's hard to see where the next lot are coming from.

How many trophies have Motherwell won since 2010/11?

If you go with three as a minimum, then you’ve got Milne and Lobban as you say, who each still have plenty to prove. Ryan Duncan was given a reasonable number of chances but doesn’t seem to have “it”. Then there’s those who fucked off for a better offer like Boyd and a couple of others. There’s also the out on loan crew, out of whom it sounds like Marshall might have a chance. That’s not a great return but similarly it isn’t nothing and suggests we do try to give out young guys a chance. At the risk of repeating myself, it isn’t necessarily the lack of chances for our own youth that’s worrying me, it’s why our own youth aren’t good enough. Look at the Scotland youth squads and we don’t feature anything like as strongly as I think a club of our size should strive to. If they’re at Aberdeen and not good enough for Scotland at age group level then that’s a real concern.

In a similar vein, I almost always felt worse watching a “wee team” win a cup because when the Tims or the Huns won one then it was expected, whereas any of the rest who aren’t us winning one made me jealous as hell.

Shit attitude and needs the boot up the arse of being let go to have a chance of sorting himself out?

Spin it another way: which of our youths have gone on to prove us wrong in not giving them a chance or letting them go? You’ve got Anderson at Killie and Ethan Ross at Falkirk, neither of whom would excite the support if we signed them now. The bigger question might be why we’re not producing many youth players of note - which is where English academies poaching players comes in - or, indeed, if we’ve done very well to have had Fraser, McKenna and Ramsay move on to “bigger” things and making us money.

Likely, although Lutz did make a thing about a strong Scottish presence throughout the club so you never know. Might also depend on doc’s ambitions as a manager in his own right.

Can’t do any harm. Wonder if he’s going to be part of the new team as well?

It isn’t that these allegedly non shambolic clubs have replacements ready to go whenever they sack a manager, it’s that they’ve decided to sack the manager weeks before they actually do so and they spend the time organising the replacement. We’ve obviously sacked Jimmy sooner than intended so the replacements weren’t quite at the “sign here please” stage. I still contend that that doesn’t make us a shambles in any kind of way. If anything, it suggests there’s an old-school honour in how we deal with senior people.

https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/news/9283/Pitch-Update.html Mibbes aye, mibbes naw.

Sums it up well. And no, as a fanbase we'd give McGlynn even less time to build a squad than we have given any other manager recently. I don't imagine that collectively we're much different to most other groups of fans - a winning team on the pitch is really the only thing that keeps us happy. Otherwise no-one's getting any time to do anything before the support turns on them.

What is it then?

That was not a good Super Bowl, certainly for the casual viewer but that first half was pretty awful for everyone. Best team won and proved, yet again, that defense more often than not wins championships.

We're not a joke of a club by any realistic assessment. Fans are frustrated at the length of time it's taking to get the right coach - even though we were told at the outset it could take up to six months - and because we got pumped in our last game the feelings are magnified. It'll be fine.

I’d be reluctant to believe anything in the media as we’ve become very good at keeping our business secret over the last few years. Frustrating for us as fans but not a bad thing really.

It’s time football became a summer sport in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4g0n03ymneo “Forget about us not spending a single penny in January, your real problem is with the weather”. Chancers.

Heard a rumour it could be this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eirik_Horneland