wokinginashearerwonderland

Interesting trend in changing managers at the moment. Bar Slippy and Brian Rice, every other club has had their manager for less than two years and a lot have changed in the last year or so.

He has a lot of promise but clearly is not the finished article yet however taking him out of our team would certainly be weakening it whether you like him or not. As some have said, he has played more than a lot of players of 21 which says a lot about how highly he is rated. Have to say, I would doubt if the pull of the old firm is as big as it once was for a really promising player. For someone like Scott Wright who would never make it at EPL level it is about as high a level as he can reach. For Ferguson though, he only needs to look at someone like McGinn or Tierney to see what can happen if you really screw the nut. Why move to Glasgow and keep playing Motherwell on a Tuesday night when you could potentially be lining up against Pogba or Kante? If I was his agent I would be telling him to hold off for a move to england.

Good to see Turnbull and Gilmour get the nod, both seem really exciting prospects but why not give them a cap or two before now. Reckless to just lump them in the final squad without even having played.

I suspect that is true that there won't be many fans asking for a reimbursement, still don't think it was right for clubs to be taking fans money when they knew games would probably not be open to spectators. Glad you are happy that your season ticket money went straight into Curtis Main's bank account for helping the community though ?

There were about five months between fixtures so take off a month for pre-season and they could have been furloughed for a third of the year. I get your point Rico about the wages being last season's costs but that is not really the issue. Clubs knew from about mid April that the covid issue was not just going to pass in a few weeks but they had no foresight. Why pay full wages for five months then plead poverty in Autumn/Winter and ask fans to keep forking out when they could have wiped a third off of their salary bill just by being a bit more savvy in the first place. I am not talking in particular about our own club, just generally because they pretty much all did it.

It's a fair point but fans have missed the whole season. Clubs took their money and (most) continued to pay their players their full wage for not playing for months last year. In reality they could all have been furloughed like the rest of the country from mid March until a few weeks before the new season started with the government coughing up for it but the clubs totally bottled it on that one.

Absolutely the right thing to do. Clubs should not be keeping fans money who paid for tickets for this season. They did not get what they paid for and it is pure fraud to be charging them again for next season. Motherwell should not be looked at as if they are doing some great charitable gesture, they should all be doing it.

Does the average fan really care about things like that as long as their club is winning games? In united's case they have still made massive profits so it's not like servicing that debt has put them into financial ruin which has happened with some other clubs. The Glazers took over in 2005 and it is just the entitlement amongst their younger fans that has brought all of this on because they are no longer the top dog.

Agree with the sentiment of your post and do not like the idea of clubs being owned by "foreigners" but in reality, other than the superleague idea, I cannot see what the united fans have really got to complain about. It's not like the Glazers have done a Mike Ashley and just simply want the club to avoid relegation so they can scoop up the TV money, they've spent something like £700M in transfers since Fergie left. What do their fans really expect from the owners? Their club not winning the title anymore is certainly nothing to do with a lack of investment in the team.

McGeough. After all the attempts at getting him in the first place, what a complete waste of a money. Aren't Hoban, McGinn and Taylor out of contract anyway? Just hope we do not attempt to make a permanent move for Kamberi. He's a waste of a shirt and I would rather make an effort to get Hendry in full time. At least he is a trier.

Why not? He is better than anyone else who has played right back for us this season.

You'd have to think we need to sign two centre halves, a left back and a couple of strikers. If he is going to field a team with Ramsay, Campbell, McRorie, Ferguson plus maybe either McLennan, Anderson or Ruth from time to time then we need some more experience alongside them. I would sign up Logan for another year to help bring on Ramsay because you cannot expect him to play a full season next year. Shay's still got a lot to offer, no need to chuck him aside.

Rave reviews for the big man https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2021/04/22/scott-mckenna-showcases-star-quality-for-nottingham-forest/

Never saw the game last night but listened to the last 10 minutes on the radio and having done that, really surprised to see the comments above saying how positive we were and what a change there has been. Willie Miller said we parked the bus and that although the result was good he was not sure if the fans would accept that style of play.

Problem is, at the highest level the fans don't fund the clubs. If you let these big investors come in and are happy to bask in the big signings and the european nights you have to accept these people own the clubs and can do whatever they like. The fans have no say. It is no different to going into the local Odeon and protesting at their pick and mix offering. There is bog all you can do about it, you are simply a visitor, you don't have a say in how the business is run. In reality this is just a rival to the Champions League and similar to something like when the PDC darts started in that all of the big names moved across and the old BDO was eventually disbanded. Once the superleague bribe each of the big european leagues and offer a few more qualifying places I think this whole thing will happen. The same teams are in the champions league each season anyway so this is not really some massive change just the same competition with a different name. Really funny to see Sky pooping their pants over it because this could break their whole business model if the TV rights end up going the way of Amazon or Apple.

Fair play to Cormack in having the balls to try this new era. He has got rid of a hell of a lot of proven ability in McInnes, Docherty, McKenna, Cosgrove and Logan to bring in a rookie manager, unproven assistant manager plus what looks like a good few young players. This will either be a masterstroke or backfire spectacularly. If it works we will have great fitba and a couple of trophies in the bank. If it fails you could see McInnes laughing at us fighting relegation while he sits back in third place with maybe a Hearts bodywarmer on. Who knows, it should make for an interesting couple of seasons.

Aye, fair enough you are probably right. Barry Robson must have been toxic in the dressing room because he is still there 8 years later and Aitken must have been toxic in the dressing room to be given the managers job. McNamara had no leadership qualities despite have captained Celtic. Craig Brewster would have had no leadership qualities having actually managed teams before he came to us. And of course the younger players would have learned nothing from Mike Newell because it was only the english premiership that he had won.

Leadership qualities, helping younger players develop good habits. Not suggesting that signing someone of 36 or 37 that they are going to be our star player.

No, you are the one talking about the Logan incident. If you actually read this thread properly there is reference to incidents with Cosgrove, Watkins, Shinnie and more. None of those has anything to do with racism and all to do with Brown being a dick as a player.

Brown will be a shrewd signing. We have been lacking an experienced head in the middle of the park and it is great to have someone in the team who knows how to win first and foremost. Experience is such an under-rated quality and getting in guys like Brewster, McNamara, Aitken, Newell, Robson and the likes can only be a benefit for the youngsters. Players who have seen it, done it and have the medals to back it up. Despite what our fans think about Brown, I'd imagine he will command instant respect from our younger players. His "history" with us I suspect is something that fans make a hell of a lot more of than players. Cannot see that any players would harbour a grudge for someone once having kicked a ball at someone else or a bit of a reckless tackle a year or two ago. It goes on all the time. Fans get sucked into the emotion of these things because it is their team but for players, it is just a job.

Glass would not have been my choice as manager but if he is the chosen one then good luck to him. Cormack is a prudent businessman and it is partly his money at stake so he must see something in him that makes him think Glass can be a success as there are plenty other "safer" candidates he could have appointed instead. Disagree with this. Remember the state we were in before Aitken arrived? We were doomed and he saved the club from first division football. Despite what Miller did for the club as a player he was getting us relegated that season.

Agree with most of that Rico re the new manager. The hun recruitment thing is a total myth though. If you look at their comings and goings over the last three seasons they have had a horrendous amount of players leave having failed to deliver anything. The reason they have succeeded is because they have just continued to throw money at it until they eventually ended up with eleven good players. The ratio of good buys to bad is probably no better than ours. Celtic is the same, for every Edouard there is a Scott Allan, Shayne Duffy and Jack Hendry.

Of course it is fantasy. The need to take £150,000 for Wright in January when he was a key player for us earlier in the season speaks volumes. Clubs are on their knees at the moment and people are kidding themselves if they really believe a new manager is going to have a big transfer kitty. We have spent virtually nothing on transfer fees in the last 20 years (as has 80% of teams in our league), that is not going to change dramatically following a year with vastly reduced income.

That is pure fantasy min. Are you going to be putting in the millions yourself like? The money received for McKenna and Cosgrove does not make up what money has been lost in the last year with not having any fans in Pittodrie.

Not sure why it would have been worse to be sounding out a successor behind the scenes before McInnes was punted, that's what most forward thinking clubs would be doing. I think you misunderstood the point about keeping him on til end of the season. I am not suggesting they gave him his notice then asked politely if he would like to stay on, just that they should have let him see out the season before giving him the sack, if that was their intention. No idea what Cormack thinks he will achieve by not having a proper manager in there for the next three months.