OrlandoDon

Last night was an interesting one. As someone who has coached for 30 years, and admittedly not at a professional level, you always believe when you take on a team you can benefit and teach players. Players get a clean slate and have the opportunity to prove themselves. I have to think that warnock believes he can get the best out of our players and while something may not have worked for a rookie manager like Robson, a seasoned pro like warnock believes he can do better. I think it showed last night that warnock doesn’t really know our players and obviously how can he really? He’s learning quickly that morris is shite for example. The reality is that he doesn’t have the time to experiment or we are sucked into a relegation battle and I suppose he has to trust the judgment of leven/Gunn who can tell him when and why we’ve been piss this season. It really is a crash course 4 month season for warnock and ever point matters. have to assume that last night was the end of a back 3?

While I agree with the majority of what you say, you can’t hire a manager then tell him he can’t play players because they are shit. Or hire him and say he can’t play certain players in positions, or can’t play certain formations. Especially a guy with the experience of warnock. You have to give him professional respect and some sort of autonomy. Unless it’s a contract issue and a player is playing with the u18s or the likes (like McKenna at one point w forest), if the player is fit and training you kinda have to let the guy you hired to do the job do the job. He obviously saw things in training hence the lineup. Can you see leven, a young guy who has never been a manager, tell him what to do? Or Gunn? If you hire a manager you have to let him pick the side and formation. we clearly have holes in the squad so he improvised, it didn’t come off. I can’t fault him for that. At least he didn’t wait until the last 10 mins to make changes. I will fault him for the long ball shit, that doomed Robson and that’s something I hope we see less and less. The problem is obviously that every point counts, and it’s two more lost and warnock doesn’t have much time to experiment or learn from games. I’ve written off the season, think we’ll be lucky to make top 6. Don’t see us relegated and just want us to get whatever club assessment done and to get a new guy in. Our squad is really poor, roll on the summer.

In all fairness, tell var to fuck off and it’s 4-4. Without var their 4th stands. Then again, miovski’s goal was initially called offside. There are still fouls, re the pull on gartenmann at the corner in the cup semi for example, that don’t get given. Var isn’t clearing up issues, it’s not reviewing them all, so the inconsistency and missed or wrong calls still exist. But we now, as I’ve said before, get var goals where they wouldn’t exist without var. Var is not helping at all and making things worse, including enjoyment. Can anyone say it’s made the game better?? How can you honestly and subjectively back it?

Thing is, can you honestly tell where the defenders elbow is pointing? All depends on the angle you view from. It’s a farce, because I always thought clear and obvious were specific terms in the rule? regardless, fucking hate var, every game it’s a fucking issue.

So what exactly is the offside rule? If it’s unclear advantage to the attacker? Or it has to be a clear and obvious error to change a decision. Didn’t see it but commentary said it was a good goal??!!

Not watching. Started 3-5-2 before going the 4-2-3-1?? Or a normal 4-4-2??

Thanks fuck morris started……

Interesting lineup, possibly returning to a back 3? 5 center mids too! Shows the real lack of squad balance that we may have to do that. Will be interesting!!

Fucking seriously. I heard he’s watching the Motherwell game from a local boozer with leven in the dug out on a walkie talkie.

Really? Excellent job of us scouting miovski? So what happened with morris, Richardson, or dadia, markanday, Roberts, myslovic, gueye etc. and probably a few more…. For all we know our scouting could be sitting in a boozer talking to fans or playing championship manager. You hit on endless hot chicks and eventually one will say yes!! as for warnock adding to his value, I think there’s something there. He’s a very well known and well liked guy with tons of contacts/connections who may easily get a call about this miovski lad on his team. Alternatively, he may give some premiership buddy a call about bojan, you never know. Robson wasn’t in his league when it comes to the footballing fraternity.

Ramadani vs Ferguson today, bologna two up in the first half. Neither have scored, not sure if Ferguson is captain, he was last week.

Yup, pretty poor from us. Never thought we really got going and didn’t take a real grip of the game. Didnt create much either. speculating but it looked like warnock used the game to have a good look at players in competitive action rather than go on to get rhythm, confidence, and score a few more. But with 3 games this week and two important league games I suppose I get it. from what I saw morris again proved he’s not good enough and duk had an entire game against that level and still didn’t do much. Both have pace but really don’t effectively use it, and I’m getting really bored with duk’s dribbling. Polvara is a squad player who plays the odd good game, Duncan shows little yet again. With no real quality width and no dominating and driving center mid it won’t get much better any time soon.

Not a great game and they are being allowed to do more than I’d like but cruising for the most part. Get a third and it’s done. Jensen goes backwards too much plus it’s still clear neither duk or polvara and a left winger. Duk does my head in, not a smart player and while he creates occasionally, I’d prefer a legit left mid or even sokler up top Instead of him.

Hmmm. I’m assuming it’s trying to be a better team and not squad rotation? Roos dropped is understandable, gartenmann has a foot issue? Play duk and morris to give us width? Good central balance with shinnie polvara and clarkson? time will tell!

Funny you say that, heard a couple of people compare warnock to McLeod. really keen to see us play well although until we have two wingers/wide mids our performances will be limited. Saying that, still shooting for 6-0 today!

How would hiring leven have benefitted us long term? getting pretty irritated by the constant moaning ffs. He’s not our permanent manager. Who would have been a good permanent managerial signing right now? Every single name out there has pros and cons. Lennon? Lambert? Ross? Or maybe kettlebell? Martindale? Robinson is doing a decent job. We missed out on Levein unfortunately but Derek Adam’s is available. Or maybe we go the foreign route with a guy with little or no Scottish football knowledge/experience? Would have hiring a permanent manager guaranteed us 3rd? 4th? After failing with the last 3 managers taking our time to look at this is ok with me. how exactly does warnock hurt us right now? What is the damage he is doing? What is he stopping us doing? Maybe can learn something from warnock? Maybe cormack will benefit from the insight of an incredibly experienced professional who has seen more than just Scottish football? im not really a warnock fan but having failed on the managerial front for the last 3, I’m ok with us taking a different approach, especially as ill keep saying, there are no clear standout popular choices to hire or desperate to come to us.

6-0 us, miovski hat trick, clarkson, shinnie, and duk. We’re due a good game!!!

Interesting comments post game from Warnock about Miovski scoring 30 on the season and being able to walk into a premiership team. Wonder if the Warnock influence gets him an EPL move and a bigger transfer fee??

It was ultimately a nothing game. 1 more point against the old firm than I expected, now the real work begins. sounds like Roos at fault again. He’s a good shot stopper but he’s really poor off his line with high balls and crosses, and prone to mistakes. Punches too much instead of catching and will punch / palm infront of goal and give teams second chances. Definitely think a new keeper needed.

Firstly, none of us really saw warnock coming but it is what it is, give the guy a chance. I thought his interview was interesting and sincere. I think he’s excited to be here and up for a challenge. I think he wants to be here, his passion is there, I don’t think he’s here just for cash and something to do. He’s a personality and a storyteller and it showed. Reminded me a little of ebbe. He also acknowledged that 50% of the fans don’t want him and some need won over. Acknowledged some see him as a dinosaur, and his giving players a bollocking doesn’t work in this day and age. He said some stuff which showed his lack of knowledge for the game, like is it only the league and a cup, but that’s as much his playful personality. I can see press conferences being busy and lengthy. I think he seems pretty clued up on our situation plus he brings an assistant and has leven. He’s an honest pro who expects players to work hard, and I think we have a squad to suit that. I think glass Goodwin and Robson coached with fear in the back of their minds, young guys building a reputation. Warnock has nothing to lose and it showed, perhaps the players will benefit from that ‘freedom.’ We don’t have a terrible squad and have some talent. We saw that against Celtic second half and the first half vs hearts. We have some good players, perhaps he brings the best out of them. Maybe his experience and wisdom is what these guys need. Or maybe not…

You are correct, playing to strengths sounds easy, but how many managers fail there?? Our strengths appear to be in central midfielders, clarkson, shinnie, Barron, McGrath, yet long ball doesn’t really suit them, plus Robson regularly played shinnie wrongly in my opinion. I’d also say devlin is a quality right back but he’s been played as a wing back or central defender for much of the season. We’ve also had a midfield full of central midfielders, some forced wide which is not their strength. Really curious to see how we line up moving forward since we all see width as an issue. as I said yesterday, hopefully warnock has the experience to see our players strengths and fully maximize them.

He’s a what you see is what you get guy. Doubt any of us thought of him when Robson got sacked but it is what it is. Too many coaches/managers try to sound smarter than they are, this guy seems pretty genuine and excited for the job. Don’ think he’ll get us relegated plus I think he draws attention to us, and I think may help with recruitment, both players and a new manager. Time will tell!

Clarity!!! Safer higher, not safe. Not who I’d want but I get it and it makes sense to me. Much better this way than repeat the Robson process with leven, much better than bringing in Lennon, lambert, or Ross. There are no standout candidates, much like when we hired Robson. Perhaps we should have done this last year and had a warnock type mentor and prepare Robson? We need a review of football operations as the last three years have not gone as wanted. I personally would hold Gunn equally responsible for the shape of the team and squad. Ive been with an organization who have done something very similar, hire an old head to oversee while an assessment is done. Perhaps in the summer we’re hiring Neil along with a new director of football? Hiring a new permanent manager now is just papering over cracks.

Thoughts on killian Phillips so far? Thought he did ok against Celtic, and was a little unlucky with his long distance effort. Definitely offers something different in center mid, but certainly doesn’t his the fact we are still drastically short on wide midfielders. Do see him starting against rangers too, he gets stuck in and then maybe bring in flair later in the game.

And if we are third or fourth at the end of the season it doesn’t matter.