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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2018, 07:33:31 PM »
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Crazy, how is that an acceptable solution?

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #61 on: November 14, 2018, 06:37:47 PM »
It looks like this could all unravel for May tonight/tomorrow.
Heading for a GE and/or second referendum.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #62 on: November 14, 2018, 07:23:47 PM »
Irish border is just an unsurmountable problem. I reckon the Tories are hoping...indeed encouraging... that Irish reunification happens asap post Brexit.

Shorter term, May surely has to resign if her own cabinet throw out the proposals. The new leader would surely have no option but to call a general election within 3 months.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2018, 07:31:46 PM »
I don’t suppose politics by assassination is a good thing.

But my god I could put a bullet through that bitch’s head.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2018, 08:05:39 PM »
I think a hatchet across her face would be more satisfying personally.
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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2018, 02:55:17 PM »
Is it too much to hope this clusterfuck will actually bring about the destruction of the tory party and perhaps even kick out a few keystones in the control the privately educated moron class has on the UK?
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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2018, 06:15:36 PM »
Let’s just get rid of the UK

Leave the English to their own problems

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2018, 09:41:58 AM »
Popcorn at the ready tonight then.
Perish the thought of some right wing loony taking over who just wants us to crash out of Europe with no deal.
If May does go I hope it’s not a hardliner that gets the nod. If she survives then that’s no deal / hard Brexit off the table.

Still think no Brexit / second referendum is the most likely outcome of this clusterfuck.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2018, 09:54:20 AM »
Popcorn at the ready tonight then.
Perish the thought of some right wing loony taking over who just wants us to crash out of Europe with no deal.
If May does go I hope it’s not a hardliner that gets the nod. If she survives then that’s no deal / hard Brexit off the table.

Still think no Brexit / second referendum is the most likely outcome of this clusterfuck.

Are the majority of Tory MPs not pro EU? So wouldn't that make the likes of BoJo or Rees-Mong unlikely candidates? Or am I thinking of the majority of MPs in general?

Any no voters of 2014 changed their position as a result of the blatant lying and nonsense? Those who are still in the "Better Together" camp do they genuinely believe that still? Please to be explaining how/why.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2018, 10:10:28 AM »
Think she will win tonight but if her majority of victory is less that 50 I thin she's a busted flush and will resign anyway.

As a pro independence voter I probably take a very different view to the vast majority of similar voters in that I have been pro Brexit from the start. This is because it gave the SNP leadership a very good excuse to hold a further indyref a few years down the line from brexit. Scotland voted to remain but is being taken out against our will. Once we were out we would be able to see the tangible benefits of being in Europe that we were now being denied in the case of a hard brexit, or the utter shambles of a soft brexit where we essentially remain in Europe but without a voice.

Whatever happens tonight, Article 50 will be postponed, perhaps indefinitely. Can see no other outcome than a new referendum (which will infuriate those that voted brexit in the last one).......or more likely a general election in the Spring where the Conservatives stand on a Brexit ticket and making clear that a Hard brexit will happen unless Europe renegotiates and Labour/SNP/LibDem/Others on a remain policy.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2018, 05:44:56 PM »
Agreed on all counts TC, when the brexit vote happened I was pleased from the point of view that it significantly enhances the case for indy regardless what happens now.
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« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2018, 05:59:36 PM »
May will survive tonight. Her opponents are ball-less men and not enough in number.

I voted for independent Scotland and for leaving the EU. Unelected cunts are never a good idea. They are a drain on us all and France will be next to bury the corrupt EU.
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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2018, 06:38:27 PM »
And yet the SNP, unless they change, want to leave the UK but stay/join the EU.

Brexit has weakened the case for Indy, only because this whole shambles will put some folk off voting for Indy. Even though Indy couldn’t and shouldn’t be as complicated as trying to exit the EU.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2018, 09:19:04 PM »
Hardly a convincing victory for May but a good night for remainers.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2018, 10:14:28 AM »
And yet the SNP, unless they change, want to leave the UK but stay/join the EU.

Brexit has weakened the case for Indy, only because this whole shambles will put some folk off voting for Indy. Even though Indy couldn’t and shouldn’t be as complicated as trying to exit the EU.
Well yes and no, it's strengthened the case for indy, but many will align the two and think as you say, indeed raving yoons already using that line. it's amazing that they think "look what an erse we're making of Brexit, that's you that is" is a winner. Sadly it will be.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2018, 12:52:45 PM »
And yet the SNP, unless they change, want to leave the UK but stay/join the EU.

Brexit has weakened the case for Indy, only because this whole shambles will put some folk off voting for Indy. Even though Indy couldn’t and shouldn’t be as complicated as trying to exit the EU.



You're joking min.
The English will love making it as hard and complicated as they can.

Our only hope is being equal partners with the English within the EU




I would love to see their faces however if we got independence re joined the EU and also signed up for Shengen.


They think they've got a border with the Irish do they?

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« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2018, 01:03:49 PM »
Can see no other outcome now than a total postponement of Brexit. Followed by a general election as the Tories self implode.

I can see the Tory party splitting into 2 separate parties in the not too distant future. One a centrist, less radical, pro European party. The other advocating a fairly hard brexit and probably inviting the remnants of UKIP to join forces (for those who are outside the UK or have been holidaying on Jupiter, UKIP has in the past few months been infiltrated by new members closely affiliated with the BNP resulting in recent resignations from the party of (in UKIP terms) fairly high profile members including Farage).

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« Reply #77 on: December 13, 2018, 03:14:50 PM »
Can see no other outcome now than a total postponement of Brexit. Followed by a general election as the Tories self implode.

I can see the Tory party splitting into 2 separate parties in the not too distant future. One a centrist, less radical, pro European party. The other advocating a fairly hard brexit and probably inviting the remnants of UKIP to join forces (for those who are outside the UK or have been holidaying on Jupiter, UKIP has in the past few months been infiltrated by new members closely affiliated with the BNP resulting in recent resignations from the party of (in UKIP terms) fairly high profile members including Farage).

As long as FPTP remains, there will never be a split of either the Tories or Labour. I've always thought that FPTP is an awful system, because it is. However, if it were to be replaced by PR it would actually make little difference given the lack of spread between large parts of the parties. As we see with this Brexit fuck up, there is a form of PR within the actual parties themselves. Currently, there is probably as great a divide between yer Blairites and Corbynistas (as they're both called) or yer Hard and Soft Brexiteers as there is between yer Blairites and Soft Brexiters. Yer left with this shite:


HardBrexiters----------SoftB---LibDem---Blairites-----------Corbynites

Basically all the decision making happens in that centre space, with a few limited foray into/appeasements to the right and left at times. That model above could easily be illustrating a 5 party system in a PR arragement, with a few limited forays into/appeasements to the left and right wings.

Fit I mean is, that a split is unlikely as that would involve losing the power that is only possible through FPTP. However, if it happened, it would have to be aaccompanied by a shift to PR. Depressingly, I think we'd be left with the same shite regardless. That centre circle of Soft Brexit to Blairites can never be pulled far enough in either direction to provide solutions to the challenges that are actually required for us to become a next level fucking ace species.

I think I should probably be in charge. This shit doesn't work.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #78 on: December 13, 2018, 11:48:01 PM »
I was going to suggest taking charge myself.

I'm quite happy to hand over the reigns to you after a year though if you want.

By that time I should have things sorted out.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2019, 08:26:41 PM »
Quite a pumping for May