tom_widdows Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 The Glasgow clubs are unhappy at the deal offered by Sky and ESPN, thought to be worth £65m over five years It has been reported that the Old Firm believe the rights are worth £25m over two years. Sky and ESPN think the SPL is worth 13million per season Old firm think its worth 12.5million per season well bugger me if thats a no brainer. Are they actually of the opinion that 2 years down the line sky will come crawling back pleading with the top 12 to accept a £100million + deal. Am I to understand that the glasgow bastards would rather fork out 12.5million instead of accepting 1million just so they could show their own matches at times that they think are suitable? Are advertising revenues really that good these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 Sky and ESPN think the SPL is worth 13million per season Old firm think its worth 12.5million per season well bugger me if thats a no brainer. Are they actually of the opinion that 2 years down the line sky will come crawling back pleading with the top 12 to accept a £100million + deal. Am I to understand that the glasgow bastards would rather fork out 12.5million instead of accepting 1million just so they could show their own matches at times that they think are suitable? Are advertising revenues really that good these days? I think they'd buy the rights to the matches then sell them on to another company. The 12.5 million would be offered between 10 clubs rather than 13m between 12 with them taking the lions share. That's what i presume, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reekie_Red Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 The SPL must agree on an 8:4 majority before any TV agreement is reached. But in saying that, the SPL contains wankers like Motherwell, Hamilton, Hearts, Kilmarnock and St Mirren who bend over for the Old Firm's demands whenever requested anyway. If Aberdeen, Utd, Hibs and Falkirk can drum up support from St Johnstone, then that scuppers the ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Willie Miller in today's P&J: While the Dons struggle to finance new arrivals, Aberdeen director of football Willie Miller is ready to get on board with the Old Firm's plans to go it alone on a new television deal, if it is to benefit the entire SPL. Miller also urged caution from the league about the offer from prospective broadcasters ESPN and Sky – much smaller than the original offer from doomed broadcaster Setanta – as acceptance could inflict further damage on Scotland's already fragile game. Sky and ESPN have offered the SPL £65million over five years, around half the amount in the deal agreed with Setanta. But Celtic and Rangers are reported to be considering buying the rights themselves and then selling them on to a broadcaster. The matter is not on the agenda for the SPL's annual meeting at Hampden tomorrow, but will be discussed by the 12 clubs. Gothenburg Great Miller, who joined up with the Dons playing squad and management at their Austria training camp on Monday evening, said: “I do not know a lot about the Old Firm's plans yet. I don’t think they will just look out for themselves. I think everyone is looking for the best deal for Scottish football. “Obviously they are not happy with the current situation – no one in Scottish football is. If they think they can find a way to help Scottish football, then great. “Whatever we end up with, we are going to have to cope. It is easier said than done when you have expectations at the club and a new management team who are looking to bring players in. “What ESPN or Sky have to understand is if the deal is a lot lower, it is going to effect the product they are going to show. From the broadcasters’ point of view it does not make sense to screw Scottish football into the ground by making it difficult to bring in the types of players who will bring in big crowds. “You just hope they look at that and they come up with a realistic deal. The new deal will effect everyone's budget and the clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly. “It is a trying time for Scottish football with the television deal up in the air. Most clubs factored the old deal into their budgets.†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_min Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 If the OF want to get in on the TV right money, why don't we get on their side and try and get some of the big cash they're hoping for too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizer Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 If the OF want to get in on the TV right money, why don't we get on their side and try and get some of the big cash they're hoping for too? If it was owned by the infirm would any other fans actually buy a subscription? I cant see if this is the way they want to go not to do it under the umbrella of the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 If it was owned by the infirm would any other fans actually buy a subscription? I cant see if this is the way they want to go not to do it under the umbrella of the SPL. Can't see that being an issue for the OF as I can't imagine too many fans of other clubs were buying it under Setanta (i got mine for free). It's the OF fans buying it where the money is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caledonia Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 This in my opinion is a real bad move for all other teams except the old firm. Remember when they wanted money for selling tickets at other grounds (what happened to this btw did the other teams cave in or what) They would find a way to take everything and give the other clubs zero or next to zero.. Remember what is said about TV controlling the game therefore who controls the TV controls the game.. Call this selfish if you like but i would rather see us skint than be controlled by these bastards OLD FIRM GTF [EDIT] It would mean the old firm getting to pick when games are played[edit] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 This in my opinion is a real bad move for all other teams except the old firm. Remember when they wanted money for selling tickets at other grounds (what happened to this btw did the other teams cave in or what) They would find a way to take everything and give the other clubs zero or next to zero.. Remember what is said about TV controlling the game therefore who controls the TV controls the game.. Call this selfish if you like but i would rather see us skint than be controlled by these bastards OLD FIRM GTF [EDIT] It would mean the old firm getting to pick when games are played[edit] How would it? Do you really think the OF are going to set up their own TV station and all of a sudden know how to operate one? They will sell the rights to a real broadcaster, who will then have discussions with the SPL. clubs then have to agree when the matches are played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caledonia Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 How would it? Do you really think the OF are going to set up their own TV station and all of a sudden know how to operate one? They will sell the rights to a real broadcaster, who will then have discussions with the SPL. clubs then have to agree when the matches are played. I would like to see the terms and conditions of their proposal because they could easly get someone to operate one with them having overall control.. They already have Rangers and Celtic TV up and running and i for one don't trust a thing they say.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 I would like to see the terms and conditions of their proposal because they could easly get someone to operate one with them having overall control.. They already have Rangers and Celtic TV up and running and i for one don't trust a thing they say.. Huns TV and Tic TV died along with Setanta. They were Setanta channels, they were not run in-house at Ibrox and Parkhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_widdows Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Im I correct in thinking this Old firm each fork out 1.25million to each non old firm spl team they then go and sell the rights to sky and ESPN for say 40million (who the fuck else is going to buy it?). They then collect 20million each (7.5million profit) because it was their product to sell in the first place. Im willing to my share in Padre that if us, the arabs and co decide hun tv is the way forward the agreement we have to sign will contain the clause - for this 2.5million you give us the right to decide when we play matches against you even if it totally shafts your fans. There in lies the tv equivalent of 'give us money to sell tickets for your games' Or am I way wde of the mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caledonia Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Huns TV and Tic TV died along with Setanta. They were Setanta channels, they were not run in-house at Ibrox and Parkhead. ok my mistake but i still think all the other clubs will end up shafted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted July 15, 2009 Author Share Posted July 15, 2009 Im I correct in thinking this Old firm each fork out 1.25million to each non old firm spl team they then go and sell the rights to sky and ESPN for say 40million (who the fuck else is going to buy it?). They then collect 20million each (7.5million profit) because it was their product to sell in the first place. Im willing to my share in Padre that if us, the arabs and co decide hun tv is the way forward the agreement we have to sign will contain the clause - for this 2.5million you give us the right to decide when we play matches against you even if it totally shafts your fans. There in lies the tv equivalent of 'give us money to sell tickets for your games' Or am I way wde of the mark? I have no idea what you're trying to say in that first part in bold. The second part... think of it this way. ESPN (should they buy the rights) also have rights to the EPL so essentially our games have to fit round theirs. i.e Saturday lunchtime or Sunday Lunchtime being the most likely slots due to the EPL evening games on both days. When ESPN buy the rights, are they really going to agree to sign over their scheduling to the OF when they've spent considerably more on purchasing the rights to the EPL? I wouldn't have thought so. You have to remember that if the OF buy the rights, they will do so from the League itself, and frankly, if they are allowed to buy them and dictate (or attempt to) when the matches are, then the league and all those who voted for it deserve all they get. Primarily the decision when games are falls with the league and the clubs, and TV does it's best to fit round that, why people think it's the other way about baffles me (think of matches being moved at fairly short notice because of matches in Europe and still being shown on TV). Celtic and Rangers prime concern when doing this is to make money. They would be daft not to contemplate that if they attempt to play hardball with the others over match times it could come back to seriously bite them in the bum. That's not to say it won't happen, but they would be extremely daft to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_widdows Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 The EPL packages that ESPN bought for this season are only for matches played at 530pm on a saturday and 8pm on a monday. As of next season they lose one of those packages which as far as I see it leaves sundays free for SPL coverage. Potentially even a midweek game or 2. So where is the scheduling conflict? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jute Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 How would it? Do you really think the OF are going to set up their own TV station and all of a sudden know how to operate one? They will sell the rights to a real broadcaster, who will then have discussions with the SPL. clubs then have to agree when the matches are played. Surely the broadcaster would have to speak to the rights owners i.e. the old firm and not the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 The EPL packages that ESPN bought for this season are only for matches played at 530pm on a saturday and 8pm on a monday. As of next season they lose one of those packages which as far as I see it leaves sundays free for SPL coverage. Potentially even a midweek game or 2. So where is the scheduling conflict? Even better then. They have the choice of Saturday lunchtime or all day Sunday. I don't see what the problem is with that. But some people just want to act all hard done to when nothing has happened yet just because its the scumbags involved. Surely the broadcaster would have to speak to the rights owners i.e. the old firm and not the SPL. I have no idea what you're trying to say in that first part in bold. The second part... think of it this way. ESPN (should they buy the rights) also have rights to the EPL so essentially our games have to fit round theirs. i.e Saturday lunchtime or Sunday Lunchtime being the most likely slots due to the EPL evening games on both days. When ESPN buy the rights, are they really going to agree to sign over their scheduling to the OF when they've spent considerably more on purchasing the rights to the EPL? I wouldn't have thought so. You have to remember that if the OF buy the rights, they will do so from the League itself, and frankly, if they are allowed to buy them and dictate (or attempt to) when the matches are, then the league and all those who voted for it deserve all they get. Primarily the decision when games are falls with the league and the clubs, and TV does it's best to fit round that, why people think it's the other way about baffles me (think of matches being moved at fairly short notice because of matches in Europe and still being shown on TV). Celtic and Rangers prime concern when doing this is to make money. They would be daft not to contemplate that if they attempt to play hardball with the others over match times it could come back to seriously bite them in the bum. That's not to say it won't happen, but they would be extremely daft to do so. Not that hard to have a prior agreement in place when the rights are first sold, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizer Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Breaking news: SPL clubs agree £65million deal with Sky and ESPN to screen 60 live matches each season until 2011-12 From scotsmans twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunnered999 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 On BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8152874.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizer Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Not great but better than the infirm TV idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harcus Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Seems good that it's only for three seasons initially. Presumably gives us the chance to think about renegotiating after 2011/12, or look for a new broadcaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Not great but better than the infirm TV idea. Agree, Mizer. Seems good that it's only for three seasons initially. Presumably gives us the chance to think about renegotiating after 2011/12, or look for a new broadcaster. Think they're going to look at SPL TV after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dramsay Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 ok so we get the same money we were always going to get next season as setantas higher contract was not due to start until the season after the upcoming one. so 2 years with less money. Its by no means great, but at least they were sharp enough to get this opt out clause for the last two years if required. At end of day sky and espn are not going bust so its guaranteed. . Plus from a purely selfish point of view its good for us, the viewers. 9 pound a month for spl, epl and more than likely pga tour is decent enough for this new espn channel.all old firm games on sky sports apparantely. . Games will be played sat lunchtime, sunday afternoon and monday nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Ray Stubbs has joined ESPN. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/8156041.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlezgaRed Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Plus from a purely selfish point of view its good for us, the viewers. 9 pound a month for spl, epl and more than likely pga tour is decent enough for this new espn channel.all old firm games on sky sports apparantely. . Games will be played sat lunchtime, sunday afternoon and monday nights. The problem is that it ain't £9 a month for SPL football, if you currently have no Sports subscription with Sky then it's going to cost you £11 to get access to Sky's 30 games and then £9 for the ESPN's games......so when it was Setanta you paid £12.99 a month to see 60 SPL games and for next season it'll cost you £20 a month to see those 60 SPL games I can see a lot of Sunday 11.30 kick-offs this season so as not to upset Sky's 2 Sunday EPL games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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