RicoS321

Stop it. That's nae funny.

To answer ye baith. I'm asking why people were for it, not necessarily why it was better or not for the club. I don't think traffic on Wellington Road was really an issue, given you can go up Wellington Road, up past Northsound or out the A90 and back in past the Loch and the bypass for the teuchters. Also, I don't suppose folk gave a fuck whether it would cost £2M extra or whatever, when you're dealing with such a large figure anyway I don't believe it'd matter to a supporter. Maybe I'm just forgetting how many people were in favour of Loirston? Maybe a lot of folks were all for it. It just seems there is a lot more support for something that is demonstrably worse, albeit not by much. Could it be, perhaps, that folk were broken by the Loirston plan and resigned to the idea of the new stadium. So much so that when it eventually got scrapped they were just annoyed and willing to accept anything that came in its place? Some sort of stadium-fatigue-syndrome. That's it. I've diagnosed it. You're all sick fucks. Apart from 100%AK, who is eminently sensible.

But it's nae a much better location though, is it? Perhaps for you, but for the benefit of the club and the city it definitely isn't. I didn't like Loirston, but it's much closer to the centre of town, is actually in Aberdeen and had the potential to be accessed by train. The rest of the factors remain even (bus journeys etc). Given the bypass, it would have added virtually nothing to the journey from those from the North (10 minutes at most along the Southern leg, probably less) and those from the South ten minutes better off. Really the only difference is the train station potential, which is fairly significant in favour of Loirston I'd say. It must be more than that. Perhaps the training facilities all being shown in one shiny new development, even though the plan was to build in another location? Perhaps they couldn't see envisage the bypass? As I say, it doesn't make much sense to me, I dinna get it.

This has to be a replacement for Jack I reckon. Similar type of player. I'd argue that Tansey is not in the same league, but then I don't see him regularly and only for a shite ICT team. He's scored plenty against us too. Welcome aboard loon. I haven't been this excited about a signing since Paul Quinn.

It is easy. It wasn't on the table because they couldn't have an honest and open discussion about it without hysteria ensuing. The currency discussion in the last indy ref was the most ill-informed, shouty debate about nothing in particular ever. I think the SNP (because it was SNP, not the indy campaign) thought it'd be too much for folk to get their heads round and too big a change that would freak people out. If one good thing has come out of the last few years, I think it is that the everyone realises the Euro is pash, and that the GBP option is flakey at best and that a Scottish currency is now the best option. I think they can announce it nice and early (as soon as they get the date) and get any awkward questions and misunderstandings out in the open. If they start any GBP-sharing nonsense, I reckon I'd struggle to even vote.

Why did you put fake news in inverted commas? Are you suggesting it isn't fake news or it is? I'm confused.

Jack? Fucking hell, you're either really fond of O'Connor or really hate Jack. He'd be a terrible replacement for Jack.

Poof.

Sorry, I was meaning that there was a greater support for Kingsford with the fans than Loirston, before Loirston was at the canning stage. It was my understanding that Loirston was never not an option, it's just that the club would have had to pay for a piece of land that previously they wouldn't have. I'm not sure if that would have made it cost prohibitive or just that they didn't want to pay for land.

Nope, it was 3.4 miles form the train station uphill, which is why I was against it too. A station at Altens would have helped mind you. It was equally as accessible by vehicle as Kingsford (given both would/will have been completed post bypass). If a station existed then Loirston would have been better than Kingsford, but still nae great. It's weird, as it didn't seem that there was nearly much support for Loirston as there is for Kingsford. I can only assume it's the northen shire supporters that are pro-Kingsford, although it seems stupid given the bypass would mean probably only an additional ten minutes from Loirston. Or maybe everyone has been worn down? Can anyone on here suggest a reason why Kingsford is better?

I'd rather neither. Although a Scottish Pound would give us ways round the EU surplus requirements at least, so I could cope with EU membership. I'd rather just have access to the market with free movement.

A Scottish pound is no use with the EU controls over surplus requirements. If they ditch that then we should join. Otherwise we're missing the most relevant control we could have as an independent country.

Don't be a dick. You were accused, by one person, miles down the thread. Why can't you just ignore it and raise some valid points backed up with evidence. You refuse to answer simple questions with evidence-based responses, you just repeat shite. I suspect you or I are not a great judge of what Yule has done/not done for the club. The club appear to be better at signing folks (everything kept quiet), but he may not be involved in that side of things. The customer service has improved in my opinion, but that could be down to the general manager. We fall way short in areas like catering but that contract has been in place for some time. We don't appear to be significantly better at marketing, but we've not been in a downward slide since McInnes took over so it's difficult to judge. He may, or may not, have brought in the investment from the Donalds and may or may not have helped facilitate the bank loan repayment. We don't know, you don't know. He may have brokered the signing fee for McLean or maybe he didn't. I'm not sure what his targets are, and I don't believe you know either. He appears to be just a competent business man much like any other and the club don't appear to have made any wild errors under his stewardship. The club is in a much better position than when he arrived and I think it would be very harsh to assume that none of that was down to him.

I didn't say Euro, I said EU!

What do you mean a viable method of creating our own currency? They could create one tomorrow if they wanted (as could I). It's very simple. The fear-mongering this time round - and it will be fear-mongering - will be around currency valuation and mass-inflation. It will be presented with ignorance and repeated ad nauseam with ignorance, and we'll never get a true reflection of the debate. I can't see a situation where the Independence campaign doesn't put forward a Scottish currency though, it would be stupid not to. That will be Scotland's best option too. Like you I suspect, I wouldn't want Scotland to join the EU.

She looks like Thatcher does now.

You could have at least waited until one year on to make your hilarious gag.

It doesn't prove any point. That was my point. There is no proof from 100% AK at all (unless they come back with the leaked evidence of poisonous landfill or the council offering land), as that spiel was sentimental bollocks. Just as there has been no proof in Yule's article, it in itself was either sentimental bollocks or unscrutinised shite. If you put an evidence-based-filter on either speech you'd be left with nothing. Which means the questions around 12,000 capacity and the transport issues remain unanswered. Which gets to the heart of the matter, and I've said it a hundred times on the thread. We're making a once-in-a-hundred year decision here. I want to make an informed judgement. Yule's article doesn't grant me that.

It isn't though, is it? I just gave you two good examples that are lacking transparency. There's nothing sentimental about either of those positions. Neither is there anything sentimental when saying that we should be in the city, and not way out in the country. That is obviously just good business - putting your business closer to the population centre (it's arguable of course, but not sentimental). That was what my point was. Yule brings up sentimentality in response to non-sentimental questions. For every accusation of sentimentality, there are far, far more calls for us "to come together" and "move on" and so on (i.e. sentimental bollocks). Just take a casual glance at a Pittodrie press release or a DST one. Each side of that argument presents no fact and poses no questions, so they're equally sentimental and equally bullshit.

Exactly. They may have a contingency of training ground only, but no plan B for the stadium. They'd just re-visit later or appeal.

What a fucking awful article and "interview" (I ken they're only regurgitating the EE one). The headline doesn't reflect what was said in article and Yule is given free reign to spout unquestioning shite. That's what journalism is these days, fucking corporate press releases. Absolute patronising pish from Yule. It is nothing to do with sentimentality and everything to do with lack of transparency and the simple fact that a lot of folk do not believe a chairman who has spent near on 20 years promoting a vision that most folk didn't agree with until very recently. We have a 12,000 figure (recently down from 12,500) with absolutely no supporting evidence and a transport plan that appears unsuitable at present. Genuine questions requiring genuine answers. As for the 30 acres pish. That only stands up if we're going by the ludicrous notion that every stadium requires a training ground within 2 metres of it. Nobody is questioning the training facilities on their own. Nobody. It's disingenuous to spout that shite and he knows it. Nae his fault like, where the fuck are the supporting questions? Awful article.

Maybe he just fancies a change of scene. Everyone seems to ignore this when talking about footballers. It'd be no different to me fancying a job abroad. The financial gain will be minimal I expect, but I suspect Oxford is a nice place to live. If only there was a poster on here that could confirm...

She was probably commenting on the amount raised by comic relief or some shite. That's the benchmark of a nation's kindness it seems.

But surely those points you quoted - regardless of the messenger - are pretty valid points raised? Or, more correctly, questions unanswered. I don't imagine ACC will just blindly pass this. For those in the know: is it likely there will be an approval subject to conditions or is it more likely, given the points raised by ACC, that they'd just reject it and leave it up to AFC to come back with better plans?