OrlandoDon

26 minutes ago, BigAl said:

Tim suggested to me (and yes he was being completely serious) yesterday that in the summer they will give us Scales and £1m for Miovski and that of course we would take it.

Deluded fuckwit doesn't even come close to summing that up

Scales and 10 mill and I’d pay attention. FWIW, hasn’t scales been one of their better players this year? 

The one I don’t like, much like yesterday, is the foul in the build up. Either call it in the moment or don’t. Call the foul before the goal or play on and allow the goal. Case and point the miovski goal (against Celtic I think, maybe hearts??) where there was the accidental contact with miovski and defender and play continues and he scores. Call it there and then or let the play go. Undermining a ref and picking up on things he missed isn’t the ideal way to work with refs. Let the games flow in the moment.
VAR also takes everything so literal that it manufactures fouls rather than letting the game flow in a natural manner. A number of penalties this year where I just don’t think are really fouls.

Major change needed for the good of the game.

I think VAR and refereeing in general is now totally out of control. It used to be the case that in good games you didn’t see the ref, or weren’t at least that aware of his presence, and we’d always say we didn’t want the referee to have a heavy influence in the game. VAR ultimately has completely reversed this where every week VAR/the on field ref play a significant part in the outcome. I think that’s what’s so frustrating to fans is that every game has a long stop where VAR/the ref influences a game. How often do we have games now where VAR and the ref don’t influence a game?

I’m speculating but I say a lot, how often is post match pub chat now about VAR and calls versus quality play and players? It dominates the game which cannot be good.

there has to be a sensible step back from the powers that be. Reflect and evaluate priorities. Football is a product for fans and I dont know how many fans say VAR has positively impacted their enjoyment of the game. Many/any?? The beautiful game was not about refs and calls, but it’s now a significant and determining factor.

28 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

The idea is that you allow the attacking team to finish their move in case the original call is incorrect. It makes sense (sort of) for offside, as that is an exact yes/no call. It makes zero sense in a subjective call for a foul. You're basically then VARing for a subjective foul and then any other subsequent subjective events afterwards. If the referee sees a foul, then he should always blow for it. I've not seen an incident like ours before, and I'm not sure if the ref's approach was correct.

The reason that you should just blow for a freekick, is otherwise there are two potential ways that exactly the same incident can be refereed. The referee could have let the incident play out and called the penalty (it was a penalty, apparently, that wasn't in question), thus VAR is making the decision on whether there was a foul in the build up. The referee's approach meant he was going to VAR saying: I have given a foul, is that a clear and obvious error. I have no doubt that in this instance, the two approaches would have garnered different results. Quite simply, if the referee thinks something is a freekick, then he gives a freekick. If he isn't sure, then it isn't a freekick. VAR offers nothing with his approach, and all he has done is sought to sway VAR's more accurate decision. Remember, in the case of offside being allowed to continue, the decision made by the onfield linesman has (and can have) no bearing on VARs decision, which is the important distinction. The linesman only actually raises his flag if a goal is scored in order to signal to the crowd, and also to make his decision in case of an issue with the technology. 

I'm glad you took this into the VAR thread, as I don't think the decision necessarily had an impact on the match, and it's not a case of partisan sore loserness, it's just a comment on the technology itself and how it was used.

 

3 hours ago, Slim said:

Biggest signing of this summer will be Miovski’s new contract!

Ha, would be something. I just think of how he’d perform if he had the players around him Adam Rooney had. An in their prime hayes mcginn and McLean, he’d score a ton!

2 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Both calls were as they were if VAR hadn't been there. The Hoilett one saw Robertson blow for a freekick near the spot, making it look like he had given a penalty. He allowed play to continue (in a first for me) to see if we'd score, which caused all the confusion. That is VAR protocol and wouldn't exist without it.

The allowing play to continue does not add to the game either, just leads to confusion. Besides blowing late for a free kick because we didn’t gain an advantage/keep possession, how does allowing play to continue help our game??

13 minutes ago, Panda said:

What a prediction. I knew it would go to penalties and that we would concede three goals.

The thing to note about the penalties - Brendan Rodgers said Celtic practiced them that week in training, I don't think (or at least it didn't look like) we did.

Maybe it's just a standard thing Celtic do before a cup tie, but was interesting they considered the prospect of spot kicks while we didn't. They certainly all looked more confident from the spot than we did.

I’d say we did. But as I said before, look at who we had take them, 2 kids and a loaner. I compare to scotland for example, we’ve been very good in shootouts, all experienced regular penalty takers. We had 2 guys who probably take penalties, McGrath and sokler, then Macdonald is pretty solid, but the rest are inexperienced kids or, to be honest, not very good players. Surprised we maybe didn’t see gartenmann but I wouldnt really want Morris or roos on one, and that leaves youngster Mackenzie. 
as proud as I was of the performance in the end, today we saw a poor Aberdeen squad. Did the best we could but yet another big summer ahead.
 

Agree with you mostly except left mid. Don’t think hoilett has the legs, and duk doesn’t have the brain. I can also see duk leaving this summer, we’ll get offers.
For the first 11 we definitely need a starting keeper, central defender (although I’m not certain ruby, Mackenzie, or Jensen should be a starter either), center mid, left mid, right mid. Wouldn’t mind seeing sokler given his chance, I think he’s more suited to Scottish football than miovski, not a knock on bojan.

that’s 4 strong quality signings needed, 5 if it’s not sokler at 9. We also need depth, as I said the other day, I can see around 10 signings this summer.

Another game, a semi final, where we’re left scratching our heads with VAR. I guess we’d be scratching our heads with referee calls but I just don’t see how VAR has made the game better. Certainly hasn’t added clarity. It definitely doesn’t add enjoyment, and it’s been a year where VAR seems to have impacts games and results. 
what were the real time referee calls for both incidents today? Didn’t see the scales one, certainly though with the hoilett one a penalty had been awarded??

A world without VAR. we can hope. I can honestly say I dont celebrate goals now, didn’t today, instead waiting for the ref/VAR to get involved. Definitely changes the game for the worse.

Didn’t see the first two goals but Macdonald is certainly a likable guy. Made a mistake but more than made up for it. Good captain for the day!

Rico, agreed, tough to say they were soft today. But in general we dont have a lot of strong personalities so that needs fixed this summer.

didnt see the scales incident and the second one has questions, but both no doubt go in the old firms favor.

And I am bitter. If it was rangers or Celtic the attacking team they get one or both of those penalties. 

2 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Aye, and we still had Morris to take too. Thought Gartenmann and McKenzie would have been ahead of Phillips. Phillips isn't really the ball kicking type.

Yeah, my dig is more at the character. McGrath and Macdonald set the tone, we’re a bit of a soft bunch. Huge credit for 3-3 but you need the experienced guys to step up at penalties, although other than gartenmann all we had left were kids.

Yes it’s a loss but ton of credit, great battling, some baffling decisions that went against us. 5 wins to finish the season please!

the fact that we had 2 kids and a loaner taking penalties says a lot about our squad.

4 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

What I'm reading from this is that you're very happy with Jayden Richardson, and would maybe even like us to build our team around him. 

Like a new signing! Forgot about him. Unfortunately Anthony Stewart is out of contract.

Would still take baccus from st mirren, Armstrong from killie perhaps. Liked Lyle Cameron at Dundee but we have clarkson and McGrath who play a similar role. Haven’t suggested Mikey Johnson in a while, maybe Stephen welsh from Celtic too?

would like some proven SPL players and not just random foreigners to fill the squad.

We have a piss poor squad if you ask me, plus too many nice guys and not enough guys with a nasty bastard side to them who will get stuck in and scrap. Add that bojan, Barron, and possibly duk will move on this summer, ton of rebuilding yet again.

honestly dont care if the following never play for us again, most are average at best - Roos, Doohan, gartenmann, Jensen, Morris, mcgarry, Phillips, Morris, Hayes, sokler, Duncan, Milne, gueye, vinnie, Macdonald, polvara…

I get that some will be with us next season, but who do we ultimately have that we really dont want to lose??

we’re probably stuck with Morris, gueye, and mcgarry but certainly take any money on offer for them, add devlin, Macdonald, ruby, Jensen, Mackenzie, shinnie, clarkson, doohan as back up, sokler, McGrath, polvara, Duncan, were around a starting point of around 15.
Can see close to 10 coming in this summer, possibly devlin, Mackenzie, shinnie, and clarkson, maybe ruby, are the only legit starters we have? Not sure if sokler can be our 9. McGrath is good but not a right mid and shinnie McGrath and clarkson aren’t my ideal center mid group, prefer another physical athlete in there with shinnie and clarkson or McGrath.

hope jimmy brings in some Scandinavian talent, we need it!

What a load of shit. Watched it through twice and he never once said ‘are you with me.’ Clearly not the coach we are looking for.

On 13/04/2024 at 16:28, RicoS321 said:

Moving hell and earth to get someone in for a few days in the hope that he might manage to get this bunch of players to get lucky in the subsequent game against the Tims? I'd prefer the club to remain on this planet in terms of realism. We might get lucky in a one off game against the Tims (I actually think that we will), but it won't be because of a new manager. 

Curious to the optimism of this game vs Celtic. You’ve said it more than once too and, over the last week in particular, we’ve been piss poor against weaker teams. While this isn’t the best Celtic of recent years they’re still a handy bunch. Nothing in our performances of late tell me a shock is on the cards. Someone posted we’re the second worst team in the league at the moment, 3 league wins and 2 cup wins in 2024 doesn’t fill me with confidence against our league leaders. Why so optimistic?

58 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Do we know the spoilt fixtures yet?

Love autocorrect. Split!

Do we know the spoilt fixtures yet?

41 minutes ago, Jute said:

Just had a very similar rant about Huns deliberately losing to drop us in the shit. 

Likewise. Take great joy seeing the Huns fuck up but for once it didn’t help us. draw would have been ideal.

Not sure how I feel about this one. Delighted rangers lose but 3 points to Ross county doesn’t help us. Still, all in our hands, and a wonderful dent to the Huns championship aspirations.

1 hour ago, Kowalski said:

We need a new manager in now, not June. If the club has any ambition for silverware this season they should be moving hell and earth to get somebody in asap. 

If it’s thelin then I don’t see elfborg waiting until June to replace him, if they can get someone in sooner which they’d prefer we get our guy sooner. But if Dave has his way he’ll let elfsborg keep jimmy until October as they conduct a review. 

32 minutes ago, Panda said:

Almost done

Though kinda going off him the more I hear the way the surname is pronounced. Say what you like about Robson but he kept it simple.

I think it was pronounced Rhuuub-seeeen.