OrlandoDon

Happy New Year to you all! Not midnight here yet and not staying up, my kids are sick! Got to enjoy cleaning up puke off the beds floors and walls at 3AM. predict we win the treble this year, Ryan jack returning as player manager.

Well said. Only thing I’d add is that we’re not solely hopeless up front, it’s our entire attacking play - no wing play, no crosses, few combinations in and around the box, layoffs for shots etc. as I write this, other than sivert v Morton, haw we scored a header from a set play or cross?? I have absolutely no clue what we do in training as our attacking play is atrocious.

I think that’s harsh. Glass was a strange hire, but I understand Goodwin and Robson, even warnock. Thelin was a successful manager with European experience, I understood that too. It just hasn’t worked out. It’s not like we overlooked a ton of perfect candidates. It’s a very dry well and you need luck.

Let’s be realistic, at best Motherwell will finish 4th. I don’t believe they’ll finish above either of the Glasgow two or hearts. They won’t win a cup. So who do we realistically think are watching him? I said we act quick because maybe he goes to united ? Maybe hibs if they were to tank and can Gray. Maybe hearts if Mcinnes goes to Scotland post World Cup. I don’t think he’s on that many people’s radar besides Scottish teams at present, and I’d say he’d need at least two good seasons up here, maybe a cup final/win, before an English team or abroad comes calling. Look at us with Mcinnes, how many teams came in for him from down south or abroad? I don’t see him leaving Scotland any time soon.

Craig brown built the foundation for Mcinnes, not all bad!

I share your enthusiasm. We are consistent. Consistently shite and have been for a year now. Maybe the odd good performance but even in wins, which doesn’t happen that much, we’re a dire watch. falkirk were much more appealing on the eye when they beat us at home, think that was the Devlin red game? we may sneak a point, maybe three, but it will be an awful watch.

Motherwell will never be a good/big job. He may even lose players in January. And he doesn’t have a budget. We’re a much more attractive option. Short term he has a good season at Motherwell maybe, long term we’re much more appealing. Do you have a reason not to want him other than leaving well for us in a position below well??

New manager bounce and 3-4 January signings and 3rd, 4th at worst. cormack has given Thelin everything, 18 months, time money patience, it’s just not working out. There is absolutely nothing positive we can say about performance, a that’s been the case fo over a year for the most part. I don’t think there’s anyone saying to give him more time, how can you justify that? I also think this is the first time where there is a young talented manager in the league performing well on a fraction of our budget. For the first time in years I can say I want x manager asap. Guy is young creative, and has a team playing attractive football, no brainer.

I think we could build around Kjarten and aouchiche in the middle, maybe add David Watson if we are lucky. Add another piece of quality in there. Problem is we have no wingers or center forward. I’m officially over sideways and backwards. We are a really poor watch and new signings under jimmy don’t do it for me. I haven’t seen enough from jimmy to think he can be successful here. Next.

Can the 3 year project start the first time we ever spoke to jimmy? get the Motherwell boy in asap, and I’d act soon before someone else snaps him up.

Makes me wonder if his plan is Kjarten ahead of the 4. As was said by someone, kinda like a Ryan jack type that will sit in the middle. Except I think he’s a much bigger lad with more physicality potentially? This also gives more freedom/flexibility with those around and ahead of Kjarten.

Jute, I envy your life. 24 hrs watching footie by the looks of things. On my 5th fight of the day with my kids, inbetween Florida gardening which is like trying to maintain the Amazon during rainy season. Maybe I’ve won one fight so far, exhausted.

That’s an interesting one. Karlsson has 6 goals so far, no clue of assists. How many goals/assists did shady have for the first half of last season?

Certainly hope/expect the penguin to have an influence on this window. As much as he’d arguably be our best winger, putting in a bid for Shady is a step backwards. maybe not a penguin angle, but who are the up and coming Scots who have gone south in recent years and would be worth exploring? David Turnbull healthy and playing well these days? Would think a Scot coming north and playing for us would get World Cup exposure.

I’m not fussed if we were to lose karlsson, but topi has been a major disappointment this season. Many talked about him kicking on, that certainly hasn’t happened. Prefer we even gave milanovic a run on the left, saw a number of highlights before he joined us where he’s on the left. obviously bilalovic getting more minutes is certainly intriguing.

There’s two factor, shit signings to date and shit level/style of play. Do you see enough from this current team to suggest Thelin will get the most out of this group and new signings will add to the quality? Doesn’t matter who we sign if the coach cannot get the best out of the group. I don’t see how signings make us significantly better under the same coaching, methods, and style.

Anyone read the article about thelin not guaranteeing karlsson will be with us all season? I’d assume the karlsson camp aren’t overly happy with how things have gone to date??

Inverted wingers can work, seen it and coached it. But we’re doing it incredibly poorly. Inverted allows many things, including full back overlapping for width, cut inside for a switch of play/through ball to the opposite winger, penetrating ball to a diagonal run of a forward. We do little to none of that. We cut in and it’s crowded with very little movement. As a result we’re very limited in options so most often it’s sideways or backwards. Opponents get back, get set, and have time to be organized. Our inverted play is counter productive and quite often buys opponents time to get back. shady mo was very limited, but after a season or so with us figured out he simply had to knock it past a defender an go. We are so badly missing that. That’s a lot of goals/assists we have lost.

I cannot accept the type of support fo nisbet. He’s a forward who is meant to create and score goals. He isn’t doing that. Week in and week out. Looks off the pace much of the time too. He doesn’t combine with our center mids or wide guys (if we even have those), that I don’t really know what he does. I don’t know where hibs played him, but if he’s more of a 10 who plays with another forward, then that’s on Thelin. Lazetic was poor today, but has been ok most of the season and is young, hasn’t been a main 9 for a team as far as I know. Nisbet is an experienced pro. Working hard isn’t enough for me. football is mainly about two things. Not giving away goals, especially cheap goals, and scoring goals. We should see 18 months of Thelin work in these two areas, but today is a perfect example of where we are. We’re not bad at the back, and have looked better this season since the back 3, but even now we’re back to where we were last season where we look shaky at the back, bit nervous, and are giving away goals. We’re almost going backwards and getting worse defensively. In attack it’s all about the final third. Combinations, crosses, getting to the line, different types of runs to attack crosses, a forward laying off to a shot from a midfielder etc. I have absolutely no clue what we are trying to do in attack. And today isn’t a one off, this is the norm for us. Said it before, I’m an ‘A’ licensed coach with 30 years coaching experience. I have not clue what we are trying to do in attack. We don’t really see combos. Don’t see overlapping, don’t see width, don’t see getting to the line for crosses, don’t see early crosses or variations of crosses. What the fuck are we meant to be doing in attack?? I don’t believe nisbet, or karlsson, are bad players. But they are clearly not being utilized or playing to their ability level. That’s on Thelin too.

So two tough away games next, then two games v the Huns. Based on today, any points? We are powder puff up front, create little, and gift goals….. ugh.

It hurts my heart when I’d rather watch Motherwell play, they are an enjoyable watch, we are not. I want their manager.

Not quite sure what happened today, but like with st mirren and killie, thought our goal would pick us up and we’d go on and try to win it. Our goal killed our momentum and we were maybe slightly lucky to get a draw. im def turning on JT unfortunately, same shit week in and week out, and as much as we all have hope for belalovic, looks like he’s being coached as an inverted winger to come inside too. That shit is starting to make my blood boil! I just don’t see how a few more new players in January fixes things. Think we do have some good players who aren’t playing to potential, or coached properly to play to their strengths. I just don’t see how JT improves our play or makes us a good team.

He scored today but I’d be happy to send karlsson back and sign, permanently or loan, a pacey legit winger who will attack wide. Him on one side and belalovic on the other, with a proper 9.

Partly because we have no real attacking threat at 9, and neither wide player will attack the line. So we spend the day going sideways and backwards. Aouchiche and Armstrong will penetrate centrally as an attacking mid, but there’s zero quality attacking play for either wing or 9. It’s been a painful watch all season, we’re so predictable and honestly, the last 20, we may be the happier team to get a point.

First time I’ve said we need to sign a new 9. Nisbet and lazetic offered absolutely nothing at 9, very little threat and neither close to a scoring chance. Very hard to be an attacking threat when your center forward doesn’t really worry opponents.