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Title: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: manc_don on April 30, 2018, 11:48:11 PM
Obviously it's far too early to tell, especially given it was his first start since he got sent off against the dhimmery, but I was very impressed with his overall game.  He seemed to offer something we haven't had in a long time, someone capable of holding the ball up without committing fouls.  Had a heavy hand in both goals (i'd argue that his role in the second was equal to that of KM).  What is the length of the deal we signed him up on?

Anyway, promising start, so keep it up please.  We've needed someone to stand up and offer something different up front.

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Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: BigAl on May 01, 2018, 06:03:34 AM
As i said on Friday night i thought that Cosgrove grew into the game.
He was unlucky not to score with that header in the second half.
However too early to judge properly.
Certainly a gamble signing him.
Let's hope it is one that pays dividends.
He is under contract until the summer of 2020.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Ten Caat on May 01, 2018, 08:29:37 AM
At £40k he is a reasonable gamble, similar to Stockley but looks less likely to concede fouls when challening for the ball and as said appears to be able to hold the ball up well. Think the best time to judge will be after he has had a full pre season with us until then expect he is a useful different option....think he will be used from start against sevco and will come off the bench against Hivs/Dhims.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: RicoS321 on May 01, 2018, 08:53:28 AM
Friday certainly begs the question as to why he didn't appear from the start in the semi. He allowed us, on Friday, to play a more suitable formation against the back 3, with two genuine front players as a partnership. I don't see that being required on Saturday, however he'll definitely be required from the bench if we want to shake things up a little. The monotony of the Rooney/May switch where zero changes was something that should have been dealt with in the summer by ditching Maynard immediately after our Euro exit and getting someone like Cosgrove in at that point. Stockley seems better than he was with hindsight, but I remember saying on here that we should start McLean up front against Apollon because neither Maynard nor Stockley would cut it at that level; it was clear Stockley's mobility isolated him against better teams. Whilst slightly slow and gangly on the turn, Cosgrove seems that little bit more mobile than Stockley and that will work well in our system, where Stockley's greater physical presence - useful down South - only really returned red cards. Still early days, but he looks to be the third option we've been crying out for, and I reckon both Rooney and May will get returns from playing alongside him. Perhaps our hit and hope strategy of signing players is finally paying off.......
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Ramperbamper on May 01, 2018, 09:01:27 AM
As i said on Friday night i thought that Cosgrove grew into the game.
He was unlucky not to score with that header in the second half.
However too early to judge properly.
Certainly a gamble signing him.
Let's hope it is one that pays dividends.
He is under contract until the summer of 2020.

Is it that much of a gamble? Young lad who probably isn't on much, and who we can hopefully develop and improve.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Tyrant on May 01, 2018, 10:02:30 AM
Derek said he was "cheap as chips". Doubt he's on much. And he indicated on Friday just how good an option he is to turn to. Was very pleased with how he played.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 01, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
Derek said he was "cheap as chips". Doubt he's on much. And he indicated on Friday just how good an option he is to turn to. Was very pleased with how he played.

Good management right there. What a balloon thing to be quoted saying.

And midget charlatan is considered one of the better managers? Commons on Sunday quoted McInnes as a candidate for Sevco. Is it football, management or people that these "professional" pundits fail to understand?
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Tyrant on May 01, 2018, 10:50:34 AM
It did strike me as a strange thing to say on the radio tbh.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: wee toon red on May 01, 2018, 11:00:49 AM
IIRC, the context of the cheap as chips quote was "he wasn't supposed to join us until the summer but he was cheap as chips so we went for it in January" or words to that effect, which I took to mean the transfer fee rather than specifically his wages.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 01, 2018, 11:39:37 AM
IIRC, the context of the cheap as chips quote was "he wasn't supposed to join us until the summer but he was cheap as chips so we went for it in January" or words to that effect, which I took to mean the transfer fee rather than specifically his wages.

It doesn't matter whether it was his wages or the fee.

A good manager is aware that what he says can affect not only the employee (the player) but his peers and colleagues (team-mates).
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: tlg1903 on May 01, 2018, 11:51:02 AM
I was really impressed by Cosgrove on friday and,going against the grain, I thought May combined well with him. 
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: RicoS321 on May 01, 2018, 12:01:37 PM
Aye, I laughed at the cheap as chips comment. McInnes seemed to pause for a second like he knew he'd used a poor turn of phrase. It's the one side of McInnes management - the interview - that he's got down to a tee. He's well above yer average Calderwood type cunt when it comes to handling the press, so it's unusual for him to slip up. The players seem to have a lot of respect for McInnes though, and he'll sweep something like that under the carpet pretty quickly - the minor infringement that it is.

I sort of agree tlg. I thought their games complimented one another, without producing anything. It certainly has potential to be a good partnership given time if May can begin to produce some form. A goal in each of the next two games for May would certainly stand him in good stead for next season.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Lencarl on May 01, 2018, 12:13:31 PM
If McInnes perseveres with Cosgrove and May next season will Rooney be content to warm the bench or will he want a move for more game time...Time will tell   :(
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Ramperbamper on May 01, 2018, 12:33:44 PM
I sort of agree tlg. I thought their games complimented one another, without producing anything. It certainly has potential to be a good partnership given time if May can begin to produce some form. A goal in each of the next two games for May would certainly stand him in good stead for next season.

Absolutely this. Thought they worked well together, and for perhaps first time this season the attack looked cohesive and as if there was a plan. Rooney, as much as as we all love him, isn't a link up player or a target man.

Wary about putting too much pressure on Cosgrove however, as much as him being dismissed as a McInnes dud pre Friday night was garbage. He's still pretty raw, and hopefully with the right level of game time he can grow into a good player for us over time.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: wee toon red on May 01, 2018, 07:53:43 PM
It doesn't matter whether it was his wages or the fee.

A good manager is aware that what he says can affect not only the employee (the player) but his peers and colleagues (team-mates).

Maybe Cosgrove is a billy big baws and a public slapping down is what he needs? Not saying that is the case, and I'm also not particularly bothered either way, but it could be the case. Of all the things to fault McInnes on I wouldn't say this is particularly noteworthy.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Ten Caat on May 01, 2018, 10:34:14 PM
Maybe Cosgrove is a billy big baws and a public slapping down is what he needs? Not saying that is the case, and I'm also not particularly bothered either way, but it could be the case. Of all the things to fault McInnes on I wouldn't say this is particularly noteworthy.

Absolutely no way the is the case. His confidence was shot to pieces after the debacle of his debut and needed an arm around the shoulder for a few weeks. Thankfully seems to be over it now.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: wee toon red on May 02, 2018, 09:32:51 AM
Absolutely no way the is the case. His confidence was shot to pieces after the debacle of his debut and needed an arm around the shoulder for a few weeks. Thankfully seems to be over it now.

I'm playing Devil's advocate to an extent but really none of us have a clue what goes on behind the scenes so those who are picking on something as minor as the cheap as chips comment to have a go at McInnes are being a bit churlish, which is the only reason I mentioned it.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: tlg1903 on May 02, 2018, 09:50:46 AM
Could be DM uses that to his advantage.  I.e. I can't believe how little we had to pay for you sam.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 02, 2018, 11:08:24 AM
I'm playing Devil's advocate to an extent but really none of us have a clue what goes on behind the scenes so those who are picking on something as minor as the cheap as chips comment to have a go at McInnes are being a bit churlish, which is the only reason I mentioned it.

All I said was that it was a balloon comment.

Either it was or it was not.

Only people who are experienced in managing men are qualified to add value in any debate about the comment.

Most people have never been in management. The proportion of football fans, considerably less.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: wee toon red on May 02, 2018, 11:30:17 AM
All I said was that it was a balloon comment.

Either it was or it was not.

Only people who are experienced in managing men are qualified to add value in any debate about the comment.

Most people have never been in management. The proportion of football fans, considerably less.

Indeed. But there are so many behind the scenes variables that we can't know about that it's a pretty insignificant thing to have picked up on. Maybe Cosgrove is feeling the pressure of movin to a bigger club so downplaying his cost etc might be a way of chilling him out? As I said, we don't know the behind the scenes stuff, particularly what McInnes is saying to the player's face, so not really worth worrying about a throwaway comment.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 02, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
I'm not worrying about it. All I said was that it was a balloon comment.

What goes on behind the scenes is irrelevant to any debate about the publicly-uttered comment.

McInnes made a management mistake. Not a big one, not a significant one but an amateur one.

Which isn't surprising given that it's football management we're talking here.

The reason why McInnes is getting paid over half a Mill this year is a bigger debate. Being paid for his management skills as he is, and as it's our money going into his pocket, I think it's right that we start to ask questions as to whether he's worth it?

I don't see the man as being worth anything more than thanks for your service now fuck off. He is using us and we (Milne) has allowed him to use us.

Edit: Back on topic, however cheap he is or might be, I hope Sam turns out to be good recruitment. His record hardly screams it but it's been less than 120 minutes and AFC are badly screaming out for a big capable unit up top, as we always have been since god knows how long. I loved when he had a dig at Brown personally. Brown's reaction was funny too.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: BigAl on January 07, 2019, 06:40:22 PM
Contract extension until the summer of 2022 signed  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Elgindon on January 07, 2019, 06:50:12 PM

 Some folk suggesting its unnecessarliy long,but wouldnt imagine his wage demands have shot up too much?,and it all helps with sell-ability  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: BigAl on January 07, 2019, 06:55:53 PM
Some folk suggesting its unnecessarliy long,but wouldnt imagine his wage demands have shot up too much?,and it all helps with sell-ability  :thumbsup:

Going by his interview he signed what was put in front of him without much negotiation. I doubt he is even in our top 50% in terms of wages.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: manc_don on January 07, 2019, 07:12:13 PM
Happy enough with this. he's definitely earned it and it protects us a wee bit.  I'd rather see GMS sign, but know that's not happening.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: manc_don on January 10, 2019, 09:23:04 AM
Won player of the month, with dm winning manager of the month  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: SeeBass on January 26, 2019, 01:20:58 AM
I'm obviously delighted he has started scoring but looking at the teams Sam has scored against includes St.Mirren x 3, Hamilton Academical x 2, Dundee x 2 and Livingston once with penalties versus Celtic and Heart Of Midlothian it is really only opener against our Gorgie friends I would say is his most important contribution.  Surely we should now be expecting him to be grabbing goals when going to Easter Road, Rugby Park, Tynecastle, McDiarmid Park and the like.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: CtS on January 26, 2019, 08:43:06 AM
He offers more than just goals against weak teams though Seebass. His hold up play is generally ok, he’s disciplined and wins free kicks and he usually puts in a decent shift, and there’s plenty other players in the squad who know where the goals are - McGinn and GMS, Shinnie and Ferguson have both scored important goals, and right across the back 4 Logan, McKenna, Considine and Lowe can all score. You’re right with your final sentence though, I do expect him to score every game now, but I’m not going to over-analyse it if he doesn’t, as long as he’s contributing to a solid team performance.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Northstar on January 26, 2019, 09:06:38 AM
English clubs ready to pounce,
Peterborough,Blackpool,Wigan &preston
Very interested in signing him this window 🙈
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on January 26, 2019, 09:19:29 AM
more pish from gashstar
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: BigAl on January 26, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
English clubs ready to pounce,
Peterborough,Blackpool,Wigan &preston
Very interested in signing him this window 🙈

Not a fucking chance of this happening  ::)
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: OxfordDon on January 26, 2019, 01:20:30 PM
English clubs ready to pounce,
Peterborough,Blackpool,Wigan &preston
Very interested in signing him this window 🙈

If you're looking for a new home I've a bridge you can buy.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Northstar on January 26, 2019, 09:59:17 PM
Not a fucking chance of this happening  ::)

Watch this space ...
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: scotfree on January 27, 2019, 06:07:33 AM
Watch this space ...

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Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: A llad insane on January 27, 2019, 12:52:13 PM
Thought Cosgrove's general all round play was pretty good yesterday , certainly no lack of effort, unlike some.
Only behind Shinnie in our m.o.t.m against Killie.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: baggy89 on January 27, 2019, 07:58:00 PM
Can’t see why english championship sides wouldn’t be looking to sign him. Big, strong, clever, now scoring all sorts of goals. Type of forward from up here that would do well. Plus he’s a Nigel too, bound to increase interest and value.

That said, if tattie heed at the huns is worth £8 million. Cossie is worth that and more. Can’t see the clubs mentioned ponying up that.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Ten Caat on January 27, 2019, 10:33:10 PM
Not a hope in hell any clubs will be viewing Cosgrove as a possible recruit right now. However if he bangs in another 10-12 goals between now and season's end he might just end up on the radar of a lower end English Championship side. Consistent performance is what they want to see not just a 2 month hot streak.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: BigAl on March 10, 2019, 03:22:22 PM
English clubs ready to pounce,
Peterborough,Blackpool,Wigan &preston
Very interested in signing him this window 🙈

Not a fucking chance of this happening  ::)

Watch this space ...

Can I stop watching yet ?
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: LA-Don on May 20, 2019, 04:45:48 AM
Really curious to see if he’s with us next season. Today was the perfect example of him. Not particularly good, goal scored after some woeful touches, and a honking missed penalty. Yet he scored 21 this season. We sold Rooney because the manager wanted more from a center forward despite his scoring record, but I just don’t see Sam as that upgrade. Our team play has been god awful in many ways this season too and big Sam is a major factor in that, the lumping of long aimless high balls to a limited target man forward. Don’t see any difference in our play if he’s replaced by Curtis Main too.

Stewart not returning is a good thing, feel the same way about Sam.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 20, 2019, 11:13:38 AM
cant really argue with the goals return, never looks happy though does he ? Still looks very raw some of his control and touches are shocking , then some are great , if he has similar return next season cant really complain ?
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: wee toon red on May 20, 2019, 11:32:32 AM
A 22yo boy who scored 21 goals in a season, despite not scoring his first until October, and people would seriously be happy for him to leave?
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: RicoS321 on May 20, 2019, 11:34:38 AM
cant really argue with the goals return, never looks happy though does he ? Still looks very raw some of his control and touches are shocking , then some are great , if he has similar return next season cant really complain ?

Exactly this. Only 20 months older than Bruce Anderson. Is a lot better when the ball is played into his body rather than expecting speculative headed flick-ons to come off. Needs to gain the confidence to not take the ball immediately back the way first, but he also needs actual runners to allow this. I don't think it's Cosgrove that has engineered our direct approach, this has come from having poorer movement from our wide players and midfielders and so he is an easy option. It's definitely not Cosgrove's fault that we haven't been able to find another striker to add to the goals this season. That second goal yesterday shows that having a big striker doesn't preclude you from scoring a great goal with the ball being played on the deck and Cosgrove's part in it was good (his pass to May was perfect in making sure that he wouldn't be able to shoot himself, which was clever play). We need another good striker, but having Cosgrove is a definite bonus.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Ten Caat on May 20, 2019, 03:32:39 PM
A 22yo boy who scored 21 goals in a season, despite not scoring his first until October, and people would seriously be happy for him to leave?

Yes for the right money. What that money would be is obviously up to McInnes/the board but a £20k punt definitely has a cash in value.

Should we not receive an offer that the club deems acceptable then of course I'm perfectly happy to have him stay until/if we do
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: manc_don on May 20, 2019, 09:24:43 PM
Thing is though, DM doesn't exactly have a great track record with replacing strikers.  Yes he's cumbersome, I mean look at his second ish touch for his goal on Sunday.  Fuck me, lucky to get another chance at it, but the most important stats is goals scored.  I don't think we can afford to have a sluggish start like we did this season with our strikers. 

Unless it's silly money and the replacement is guaranteed goals, better the devil you know.  He's still incredibly young.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: tlg1903 on May 20, 2019, 09:31:36 PM
you could argue that Cosgrove hasn't had the best supply.  we have really missed christie and maclean this season, no-one in the middle is able to take the ball with opposition nearby and still move it forward which has led to our build up play being pretty sluggish due to having to rely on always going wide.  I would defo keep him.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: DantheDon on May 20, 2019, 09:32:58 PM
Also argueable that he hasnt had the best service. I think getting some decent wide players will help us greatly.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Ten Caat on May 20, 2019, 10:28:14 PM
Hypothetical question....

If we were to sell Cosgrove and the money raised were used to buy Lowe......would you take that deal or stick with Cosgrove and try to get another left back for free?
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: manc_don on May 21, 2019, 12:05:27 AM
Hypothetical question....

If we were to sell Cosgrove and the money raised were used to buy Lowe......would you take that deal or stick with Cosgrove and try to get another left back for free?

To be honest, I'd probably still stick with Cosgrove. He's the only striker have who scores goals. Would be lunacy to his money from him for a left back.  It's not an either or situation imo.  We would still need both and i'd hope that the club knew this.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
To be honest, I'd probably still stick with Cosgrove. He's the only striker have who scores goals. Would be lunacy to his money from him for a left back.  It's not an either or situation imo.  We would still need both and i'd hope that the club knew this.

The way I see it is that until we get an investor willing to pump multi millions into the team, we will always be a side that relies on buying cheaply and selling for a profit to keep us financially healthy.

Cosgrove cost £20k. A total punt that in October looked very much like it had failed. Suddenly he caught fire and started banging in the goals, albeit 7 from the penalty spot. But let's face it. An EPL striker he will never be. Probably not even top end of the Championship....at best he might get a gig in the lower reaches of it but even then it would likely be as an impact sub rather than a regular starter. EFL1 clubs should definitely be interested though...and a good number of those pay transfer fees and wages that blow us out the water. Cosgrove's limitations mean his value will never be in the multi-millions (albeit with the length of contract we have him tied down on we can effectively ask what we like right now). A realistic valuation is probably £700k-£1million. If we got offered that it represents roughly 3000-5000% return on our initial investment. A fantastic return.

Lowe at the minute has no such ceiling. But (especially if Derby go up) through no fault of hs own may find himself 4th choice left back as Derby would be forced to buy virtually a whole new first team to try to survive. Even if Derby don't go up...Lowe will still be third choice behind Malone and Forsyth who will be fit by the start of the new season. At his age, the last thing he needs is to be playing reserve team football so Derby will probably try to punt him out on loan again. But if they do go up...well they might just decide that if they got a reasonable offer for him that selling might be the best option for both parties. Again Derby have him on a long term contract so could ask what they like but i doubt they'd be too difficult to bargain with given they've had him as a youngster....he might well be valued pretty much the same as Cosgrove. Only Lowe's potential ceiling is a helluva lot higher than Cosgrove's. Even if he cost a million....if he had a season for us similar to the one he just had I reckon he would instantly become worth 4-5 times that outlay. Again fantastic business.

We are rumoured to be after 2 strikers in this window. Who they will be I have no idea, but I doubt they'll want to play second fiddle to Cosgrove. I just wonder if he club already knows of interest in the big man
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: wee toon red on May 21, 2019, 09:05:34 AM
The way I see it is that until we get an investor willing to pump multi millions into the team, we will always be a side that relies on buying cheaply and selling for a profit to keep us financially healthy.

Cosgrove cost £20k. A total punt that in October looked very much like it had failed. Suddenly he caught fire and started banging in the goals, albeit 7 from the penalty spot. But let's face it. An EPL striker he will never be. Probably not even top end of the Championship....at best he might get a gig in the lower reaches of it but even then it would likely be as an impact sub rather than a regular starter. EFL1 clubs should definitely be interested though...and a good number of those pay transfer fees and wages that blow us out the water. Cosgrove's limitations mean his value will never be in the multi-millions (albeit with the length of contract we have him tied down on we can effectively ask what we like right now). A realistic valuation is probably £700k-£1million. If we got offered that it represents roughly 3000-5000% return on our initial investment. A fantastic return.

Lowe at the minute has no such ceiling. But (especially if Derby go up) through no fault of hs own may find himself 4th choice left back as Derby would be forced to buy virtually a whole new first team to try to survive. Even if Derby don't go up...Lowe will still be third choice behind Malone and Forsyth who will be fit by the start of the new season. At his age, the last thing he needs is to be playing reserve team football so Derby will probably try to punt him out on loan again. But if they do go up...well they might just decide that if they got a reasonable offer for him that selling might be the best option for both parties. Again Derby have him on a long term contract so could ask what they like but i doubt they'd be too difficult to bargain with given they've had him as a youngster....he might well be valued pretty much the same as Cosgrove. Only Lowe's potential ceiling is a helluva lot higher than Cosgrove's. Even if he cost a million....if he had a season for us similar to the one he just had I reckon he would instantly become worth 4-5 times that outlay. Again fantastic business.

We are rumoured to be after 2 strikers in this window. Who they will be I have no idea, but I doubt they'll want to play second fiddle to Cosgrove. I just wonder if he club already knows of interest in the big man

I think you misjudge Lowe's value. Derby could easily get a couple of mil for him from another team down south due to his age and time left on his contract. I don't think it's realistic to expect someone to buy Cosgrove from us - especially since you consider him and EFL1 level striker - at a price which would allow us to buy Lowe, who you think has the potential to be a £4m or £5m player. I don't follow your logic at all.

In answer to your hypothetical question, no I wouldn't sell Cosgrove to fund Lowe.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 21, 2019, 09:16:48 AM
Only Lowe's potential ceiling is a helluva lot higher than Cosgrove's. Even if he cost a million....if he had a season for us similar to the one he just had I reckon he would instantly become worth 4-5 times that outlay. Again fantastic business.

Very hypothetical obviously but I don't think a club like Aberdeen will ever manage to sell on a left back for four or five million.  With players like that the best way for a club like ours to make money is resale clauses like might happen with Ryan Fraser.

In McKenna's case I can see us getting maybe £5M for him tops but then within another couple of years someone will buy him for silly money and we will cash in with the sell on.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: DantheDon on May 21, 2019, 09:31:11 AM
Ten Caat, why is it that you think Cosgrove has such a low ceiling. He has all the physical attributes and even a bit of pace. I know his touch could be better at times but its an area he could easily get better at. I would say hes like a better version of Josh Magennis, and look how well hes done.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: RicoS321 on May 21, 2019, 10:08:28 AM
Ten Caat, why is it that you think Cosgrove has such a low ceiling. He has all the physical attributes and even a bit of pace. I know his touch could be better at times but its an area he could easily get better at. I would say hes like a better version of Josh Magennis, and look how well hes done.

He's a better footballer than Josh Magennis. His touch is generally pretty decent but his concentration is poor, which is why he looks to have a bad touch. He's clearly very capable of bringing a ball down quickly and with great effect but he's often remonstrating with himself and the ref (much like Magennis did). He doesn't have the pace and direct battering ram approach of Magennis however and I doubt he ever will. That lack of athleticism restricts the level he could play at, but not to a ridiculous degree. Improve his concentration and temperament (I don't mean fouling, I mean focus) and he'll be a much better player.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Ten Caat on May 21, 2019, 03:13:38 PM
Very hypothetical obviously but I don't think a club like Aberdeen will ever manage to sell on a left back for four or five million.  With players like that the best way for a club like ours to make money is resale clauses like might happen with Ryan Fraser.

In McKenna's case I can see us getting maybe £5M for him tops but then within another couple of years someone will buy him for silly money and we will cash in with the sell on.


Celtic are rumoured to be selling Tierney in the summer for £25million. And I don't think he is all that much better than Lowe...

My question was hypothetical in that I don't believe it will happen. However if Celtic are needing a left back???? There have already been rumours of sevco interest. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Celtic go for him as Tierney's replacement.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 21, 2019, 04:21:33 PM

Celtic are rumoured to be selling Tierney in the summer for £25million. And I don't think he is all that much better than Lowe...

My question was hypothetical in that I don't believe it will happen. However if Celtic are needing a left back???? There have already been rumours of sevco interest. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Celtic go for him as Tierney's replacement.

You are absolutely right, I do not believe Tierney is much better either and also would not be surprised if they were interested in Lowe as a replacement.  It's just the move from Aberdeen (in theory) to another club that I don't believe would ever happen for more than a couple of million at most.  Celtic will be quite willing to shell out £4M-£5M for a player from Derby but we would never get that for a similar standard player.  You just have to look at how much we brought in for Johnny Hayes who had just been nominated for player of the year.  Teams just do not pay big money for players in Scotland outwith the Glasgow clubs unless the players are particularly exceptional.

McKenna will possibly be the exception and the fact that he has captained his country at such a young age may help that.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: BigAl on August 02, 2019, 10:31:42 AM
Expect much unsettling of Big Sam by the Weegie media linking him with moves away from Aberdeen prior to the closure of the transfer window.

Six goals in four European games, I guess is going to lead to speculation and they will just love throwing it our way.

Took a look at a Carlisle forum to see what they were saying about him and they seem to be under the impression that they have a large sell on clause and that his departure back south could be worth a not inconsiderable sum to them.

As an aside our scouting/recruitment of last few seasons has come in for a fair bit of criticism, but this is one that certainly seems to working.

Keep up the good work loon
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on August 02, 2019, 11:23:01 AM
chinese window has closed thankfully
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: LA-Don on August 04, 2019, 05:39:14 PM
With 2 more goals today wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of interest in Sam this week before the English window closes. That's 8 already in 5 games, 30 goal season ahead?

I'll also add, and I haven't been a huge fan of Sam, penalties are not a guaranteed goal. We lucked out with Rooney being excellent from the spot, so far big Sam has done the business there too. Credit due.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Jute on August 20, 2019, 01:37:15 PM
Being linked with a move to Lazio in the press today.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/1822906/dons-striker-linked-with-move-to-serie-a
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: BigAl on August 20, 2019, 01:37:54 PM
Allegedly there are reports in Italy that Lazio are considering making a move for Sam

Make of that what you will  ;)
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: BigAl on August 20, 2019, 01:39:04 PM
Being linked with a move to Lazio in the press today.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/1822906/dons-striker-linked-with-move-to-serie-a

Lol, beat me to the post by 39 seconds
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: LA-Don on August 20, 2019, 04:04:44 PM
Please! Sell Cosgrove for anything about 500k. I think there’s very little between Cosgrove and main, and if Main is given the time and patience we gave Sam we’ll get similar results, especially if we give him penalties.

Saying that, they are both shite and I’d rather have Wilson up top. Means we have to change our style of play though which means DM has to coach and adapt. Would prefer this option if DM was a capable coach.

My preferred option though is to sell and sign two players, ideally permanent or alternatively loan. A forward and a creative number 10. If we can loan Maddison or Christie DM saw the need for that, surely he sees the need now.

Out of curiosity, who thinks Kyle lafferty is better than Cosgrove and main? Regardless of him being a cunt.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: tlg1903 on August 20, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
500k?  For Cosgrove? Under contract for 3 years and banging them in Cosgrove?

Sake.

5 mill pls
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: LA-Don on August 20, 2019, 04:23:58 PM
Typo. Anything above 500k I think is realistic but I’d certainly reluctantly accept a pitiful 5 mill I suppose.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: RicoS321 on August 20, 2019, 04:49:45 PM
Please! Sell Cosgrove for anything about 500k. I think there’s very little between Cosgrove and main, and if Main is given the time and patience we gave Sam we’ll get similar results, especially if we give him penalties.

Saying that, they are both shite and I’d rather have Wilson up top. Means we have to change our style of play though which means DM has to coach and adapt. Would prefer this option if DM was a capable coach.

My preferred option though is to sell and sign two players, ideally permanent or alternatively loan. A forward and a creative number 10. If we can loan Maddison or Christie DM saw the need for that, surely he sees the need now.

Out of curiosity, who thinks Kyle lafferty is better than Cosgrove and main? Regardless of him being a cunt.

Wilson is absolutely fucking horse shite. We'd have change our style of play to learn how to play with ten men. Cosgrove has taken the close season to work hard and vastly improve his game in every area. Main is a shite Stevie May and wouldn't close to the same results as Cosgrove. Cosgrove is winning headers, taking the ball down and bringing others into play, tracking back, not making rash decisions at corners and appears to have actually learned how to shoot too.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: LA-Don on August 20, 2019, 06:45:06 PM
Main hasn't been given a chance. Give him the chance and playing time Cosgrove got last year then judgement is fair, and I think we'd get similar return. However, I do think he's shite but we are jumping the gun. Don't think he's much different to Sam, and Sam looks shite much more often than he looks good. Your assessment of Sam is so inflated - he's inconsistent at all of what you say, plus he's still a red card waiting to happen far too often. Should score double what he does given the chances he gets too, and your comment about him learning how to shoot, that's a good one!

No fucking clue what is going on with Wilson. I have to assume coming from Man Utd he's one of our higher earners. Why sign him having had him for a year, then give him so few minutes? Much like Cosgrove, I'd like to see him given the starts and patience Cosgrove got before making judgement. He's not been great but gets such inconsistent playing time that's it's hard to get in any sort of rhythm. However, he has shown in glimpses that he's capable.

I think Wilson is better than Sam and Main but I still would rather have all 3 replaced by someone else.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: BigAl on August 20, 2019, 06:56:06 PM
When it comes to strikers they will always be judged on their goal record.
On that basis Cosgrove stands inspection and is bound to be on the radar of others.
No fucking way however should a guy with a record like his and with three years left on a contract be sold for £500k. Given the fact that Carlisle fans reckon they have a "substantial" sell on percentage then we ought to be seeking many times that number.
Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: Elgindon on August 20, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
 To be fair to Sam,weve created about 3 chances this season,and he's converted 9 of them.Pre Rooney,We were crying out for someone with a return like Sams for years,so am not going to complain about how he gets his goals for now

 I also think he's a better footballer than we give him credit for,...I doubt he asks that we lump hopeless balls upto him.Quicken the tempo,get the ball on the deck, and try 2 up front,or at least experiment with it more often and see what happens.



 ps anyone else noticed how the guests viewing figures go from normally 10s of viewers to suddenly mid hundreds of viewers and then back down again at different times of the day??


Title: Re: Sam Cosgrove
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on August 20, 2019, 10:44:42 PM
Please! Sell Cosgrove for anything about 500k. I think there’s very little between Cosgrove and main, and if Main is given the time and patience we gave Sam we’ll get similar results, especially if we give him penalties.

Saying that, they are both shite and I’d rather have Wilson up top. Means we have to change our style of play though which means DM has to coach and adapt. Would prefer this option if DM was a capable coach.

My preferred option though is to sell and sign two players, ideally permanent or alternatively loan. A forward and a creative number 10. If we can loan Maddison or Christie DM saw the need for that, surely he sees the need now.

Out of curiosity, who thinks Kyle lafferty is better than Cosgrove and main? Regardless of him being a cunt.

Curtis Main ( 27 ) Career Stats

Appearances - 288
Goals - 48

Sam Cosgrove ( 22 )  Career Stats

Appearances - 91
Goals - 31


Sorry LA, but there is a fair bit between them, Cosgrove is a much better Striker, in every way. To be honest, see until he has a direct partner, I think there will still be a lot of people that don't rate him. He is only 22, very raw, still learning and basically doing everything on his own. I think though, with a direct partner, you'd see a vast difference in what he brings to the game.

People that dislike him seem to forget that our game plan consists of him having to deal with aimless punts up to him, he's up there himself, he wins plenty of headers, nobody is running behind him, he controls pretty well with feet and chest, then brings others into play. I am not exaggerating when I say he's one of the best Strikers in the SPFL.