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Title: EPL
Post by: manc_don on February 10, 2015, 06:34:35 PM
Sky and BT have agreed to pay £5.1 BILLION for tv rights to show the EPL for three season as of 2016/2017 season.  That's absolutely mental!?!

Also, says it all that they premier league are only investing £57 million into grass roots football.  No wonder it's on the decline in England.

Sky got 5/7 packages.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Kowalski on February 10, 2015, 08:31:27 PM
Fucking horrendous amount of money. Nearly £11m a game!!! WTF.

Sky have really chucked some money about here, presumably on the back of losing the Chumps League highlights.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: bearsdenred on February 10, 2015, 09:12:26 PM
Defo going to cancel our subscription  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Superstar Tradesman on February 11, 2015, 01:14:43 AM
Just goes to show how much they are making.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: manc_don on February 11, 2015, 09:02:44 AM
Just goes to show how much they are making.

Indeed! Absolutely disgusting amounts.  Surely to fuck they will now start reducing ticket prices?!?  It's the only way to even make it remotely understandable.  Though I doubt anything of the sort will happen.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Tyrant on February 11, 2015, 09:22:33 AM
I'll be cancelling mine after getting 8 months half price. Looks like I timed that well.  ;D
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on February 11, 2015, 10:46:32 PM
Just goes to show how much they are making.

Not even sure that's the case.  I think it was more a case of they couldn't, absolutely could not, afford to not get the PL after losing the CL. Supposedly their average for the Sunday 4pm game is 2m viewers. They have 10m subscribers, at £30 a month.... something doesn't quite add up even chucking in advertising revenue there's still a bit to go.

The thing that gets me - and don't get me wrong, I like watching the EPL as I do with most football - is that at no point in its recent history has the English top flight signed the greatest player in the world at that moment.  It could be argued that they have created them - C Ronaldo being an example - but the very top players at the top of their game have not moved there.  Zidane - Italy then Spain. Messi - Spain. Rivaldo, Figo, Raul, Iniesta, Xavi - Spain. Maldini, Zanetti, Baggio - Italy.

Look at Gullit and Vialli... signed for English sides when their careers were on their last legs and both knew they could stroll it in England despite the "speed" of the game.

That doesn't mean that the PL is not a good league etc, but it should surely click to everyone down there that they are paying way over the odds for everything - transfer fees, wages, TV rights.  When Sky have paid this amount of money, they're going to hype their (apologies) "product" to the ends of the earth. 

It's still just a game of football, no matter what they say or pay.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Superstar Tradesman on February 12, 2015, 02:10:32 AM
Not even sure that's the case.  I think it was more a case of they couldn't, absolutely could not, afford to not get the PL after losing the CL. Supposedly their average for the Sunday 4pm game is 2m viewers. They have 10m subscribers, at £30 a month.... something doesn't quite add up even chucking in advertising revenue there's still a bit to go.

Of those 2m viewers you'll probably find a few million more subscribers sitting round their mate's house watching the same tv, and a few million more down the pub nursing a hangover over a full english.  10m adds up if that's the case.

Great points made on the rest of your post btw.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Tyrant on February 12, 2015, 08:27:23 AM
That doesn't mean that the PL is not a good league etc, but it should surely click to everyone down there that they are paying way over the odds for everything - transfer fees, wages, TV rights.  When Sky have paid this amount of money, they're going to hype their (apologies) "product" to the ends of the earth. 

It's still just a game of football, no matter what they say or pay.


Agree completely.

I also have enjoyed watching the EPL for many years but the numbers these days are just obscene. Add to that the "product" this season has been the poorest it's been in a long fucking time. Even the "good" teams have been brutal to watch. Man City have been shite. Chelsea have been parking the bus despite having a team brimming with quality attacking players. Van Gaal is still finding his feet at Man Utd (and Big Sam's destroying him with mind games ffs sake!) and Arsenal have been dull for years too. It's fucking bad news when Liverpool of all teams are playing hands down the best football (as a spectacle) in the league.

Mourinho's "anti-football" is boring to watch but I can't be overly critical of it as it seems to be effective. He won the CL League with Inter playing the same way. As Benitez did with Liverpool arguably.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Graeme_S on February 12, 2015, 09:26:07 AM
It's more than £30 a month tho, is it not?
Sports is around £25 a month but you need a basic package first to add the sports to.

They admit the sports itself is a loss maker, but it's used to sell the complete Sky brand.
Itll be the minority that take a bare minimum package, with just sports.
HD + entertainment channels plus broadband will supplement a fair amount of sports subscriber's overall fees.

BT Sport probably has a fair bit to do with Sky's panic. I think over the piece, they've had a lot of the better games this season
Sky couldn't afford to lose more coverage to them.
and I also much prefer their build up and overall experience on there to Sky. Which is a damning indictment on Sky when you consider Both Robbie Savage and Michael Owen are on BT! Carragher & Neville on MNF are the exception.
The Football meets Top Gear abomination that is Saturday night football with Jamie Redknapp's never ending stream of cliched fucking nonsense has put me off watching any of those late games.
As much as Mourinho can be a prick, I'm loving his constant calling out of JR.


Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Tyrant on February 12, 2015, 10:50:21 AM
I have my broadband, phone line, phone calls and TV all through Sky. I'd be lying if I said I remember the individual costs but my monthly cost at the moment is £70-£80 and that's with £12-£15 off my Sports. I don't have the movie channels. Not sure how much that saves. I think £20-£30 of that is for the phone line, phone calls and fibre optic so that's around £50 just for the TV! Once my contract is up it's all getting binned. Although I do like the service. I watch the Sport a lot and I love being able to download TV shows directly via the box. It's easy and they don't have adverts. The internet is fast and I've never had issues with it. It's just that Sky is really not a likeable company.

Anyone use Virgin? That Branson guy is a lot less offensive on the surface at least.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: bearsdenred on February 12, 2015, 11:21:36 AM
I have my broadband, phone line, phone calls and TV all through Sky. I'd be lying if I said I remember the individual costs but my monthly cost at the moment is £70-£80 and that's with £12-£15 off my Sports. I don't have the movie channels. Not sure how much that saves. I think £20-£30 of that is for the phone line, phone calls and fibre optic so that's around £50 just for the TV! Once my contract is up it's all getting binned. Although I do like the service. I watch the Sport a lot and I love being able to download TV shows directly via the box. It's easy and they don't have adverts. The internet is fast and I've never had issues with it. It's just that Sky is really not a likeable company.

Anyone use Virgin? That Branson guy is a lot less offensive on the surface at least.

if you can get virgin i would defo give them thumbs up for the broadband. we are now using the 150mb service, think its the max currently but they do give free upgrades whenever they are doing that. we have reset the system(router) about 10 times in over 9 years. so defo say go for the BB there we don't use the TV deal tho.

We went and got the full package, sister watches her stuff, mum dad use the drama channels and sports. i use sky one, Atlantic for game thrones, 24, etc.. but will be ditching the sky sports.

If sky actually gave Scottish football a better stake (if they can spend 5 billion on the epl to pay foreigners to play in it) in our game as well maybe we might get other teams richer to spend and increase competition.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Andrew on February 12, 2015, 11:31:54 AM
Not even sure that's the case.  I think it was more a case of they couldn't, absolutely could not, afford to not get the PL after losing the CL. Supposedly their average for the Sunday 4pm game is 2m viewers. They have 10m subscribers, at £30 a month.... something doesn't quite add up even chucking in advertising revenue there's still a bit to go.

Do pubs not have to pay thousands a month, that can vary depending in the size, to be able to have sky sports? I always that was there main income with home subscribers just being a bonus?
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Graeme_S on February 12, 2015, 12:16:00 PM
Anyone use Virgin? That Branson guy is a lot less offensive on the surface at least.

I use Virgin. Got TV & Broadband. As some else said their broadband is top notch. Been upgraded twice for free and it's faster than anything else I've used.
I've got full TV bundle which includes BT not as an added billable extra. Although I only got this when threatening to move to Sky and they upgraded me for cheap.
However my monthly cost has increased by a few quid at least 4 or 5 times. The letter they send usually blames this on Sky charging more for their channels.
They have Netflix as a channel, so if you subscribe it makes it a lot easier to watch on your telly which is handy.
Oh, and you can't get sky Atlantic which is a bit annoying.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: manc_don on February 13, 2015, 09:40:39 AM
Not even sure that's the case.  I think it was more a case of they couldn't, absolutely could not, afford to not get the PL after losing the CL. Supposedly their average for the Sunday 4pm game is 2m viewers. They have 10m subscribers, at £30 a month.... something doesn't quite add up even chucking in advertising revenue there's still a bit to go.

The thing that gets me - and don't get me wrong, I like watching the EPL as I do with most football - is that at no point in its recent history has the English top flight signed the greatest player in the world at that moment.  It could be argued that they have created them - C Ronaldo being an example - but the very top players at the top of their game have not moved there.  Zidane - Italy then Spain. Messi - Spain. Rivaldo, Figo, Raul, Iniesta, Xavi - Spain. Maldini, Zanetti, Baggio - Italy.

Look at Gullit and Vialli... signed for English sides when their careers were on their last legs and both knew they could stroll it in England despite the "speed" of the game.

That doesn't mean that the PL is not a good league etc, but it should surely click to everyone down there that they are paying way over the odds for everything - transfer fees, wages, TV rights.  When Sky have paid this amount of money, they're going to hype their (apologies) "product" to the ends of the earth. 

It's still just a game of football, no matter what they say or pay.

I see this morning that the Spanish La Liga president is worried about losing the stars to the EPL in the very near future due to the financial muscle the teams will have over the Spanish.  I think you make a very good point and something i've spoken to a few people about.  Truly world class players very rarely go to or stay in the EPL. I mean, most recently you can look at Suarez (who I love to hate), arguably a world class striker and manufactured his move away to Spain.  I'd probably only put, Aguero, Silva, Sanchez, De Gea and possibly Yaya Toure in the world class bracket.  And yet none of them would compare to those who graced the list you made.  How Sky / BT can justify paying so much is beyond me, because the product is not always going to be like your Liverpool - Spurs game which they so love to quote.   

Will seriously consider dropping my SS package, primarily because I get BT sport free anyway and their Scottish football coverage and even EPL coverage is vastly superior to the "theatre" of SS.

Annoyingly, I can't get Virgin in my area.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Kowalski on February 13, 2015, 09:59:43 AM
Speaking of La Liga, I think the UK rights are up at the end of this season, so it'll be interesting to see if BT wrench it away from Sky.

I wonder if BT came out of the EPL deal better than Sky.  Clearly they don't have the lion's share of the matches, but they have forced Sky to pay a helluva lot of money which can only be paid for by cost cutting and an increase in subscription prices.

I also prefer BT's coverage, particularly for Scottish football.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: bearsdenred on February 13, 2015, 10:30:22 AM
Speaking of La Liga, I think the UK rights are up at the end of this season, so it'll be interesting to see if BT wrench it away from Sky.

I wonder if BT came out of the EPL deal better than Sky.  Clearly they don't have the lion's share of the matches, but they have forced Sky to pay a helluva lot of money which can only be paid for by cost cutting and an increase in subscription prices.

I also prefer BT's coverage, particularly for Scottish football.

just wish we could purchase BT sport through their website away from SKY.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: manc_don on February 17, 2015, 02:03:29 PM
Not the EPL but obviously a team that up until recently was in it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-31504347

Hope it works out for the fans.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Kowalski on February 18, 2015, 08:42:44 AM
London Huns :wanker:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31514168
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Tyrant on February 18, 2015, 08:44:30 AM
Hope the pricks get hammered.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: manc_don on February 18, 2015, 09:35:07 AM
Disgraceful behaviour. The only Chelsea fan I know told me it was ficticious  ::)
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: mizer on February 18, 2015, 05:27:50 PM
I saw that on your FB feed  :rofl:

Real head in the sand stuff. The French prosecutors office say possibly 45,000E fine and 5 years in the jail if he find them.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: mizer on February 19, 2015, 01:14:13 PM
One of the accused........

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-NDemYCQAEcOJ8.jpg)
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 10, 2019, 09:23:41 AM
If the claims that the EPL was the "best league in the world" were premature before, its indisputable now. We can't argue with results. All four European finalists from the same country, and the champions elect not being one of them is an incredible feat.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: rocket_scientist on November 30, 2019, 10:44:09 PM
EPL over before December.

The European Champions are the best football team I've ever seen in England. Not many will agree with that just now. By May, more will agree with it. No weaknesses. All attack. Beautiful rhythm and balance. Plus heart, the ability to grind. Gorgeous to watch.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: manc_don on December 01, 2019, 07:31:50 PM
EPL over before December.

The European Champions are the best football team I've ever seen in England. Not many will agree with that just now. By May, more will agree with it. No weaknesses. All attack. Beautiful rhythm and balance. Plus heart, the ability to grind. Gorgeous to watch.

Don't get much time to watch non Dons / Nix football these days, but as much as it pains me to say it, Liverpool do play great football (from what i've managed to see).  Even the most bitter manc would find it hard to disagree that they won't win it this year. And deservedly so.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 04, 2019, 07:11:53 AM
EPL over before December.

Wouldn't be so sure. Not certain. Man C were awesome last night, again. It's up to Liverpool to keep up picking points and whilst home to Everton and away to hapless Bournemouth SHOULD be six points, it's doesn't always work like that of course. There is still a very long way to go.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Tyrant on December 09, 2019, 02:17:45 PM
If there's one team that could still fuck it up from here it's Liverpool. I wouldn't have bet on Leicester being the best of the rest at this stage. Liverpool have a lot of irons in the fire so it'll all come down to Klopp's management. They only have one fit senior central defender too so the depth of the squad will come under scrutiny too. The depth of City's squad hasn't helped them. They lost Laporte earlier in the season and the fact is that John Stones is in fact utterly dreadful and barely looks like a £5M player nevermind a £50M player.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 09, 2019, 02:44:03 PM
If there's one team that could still fuck it up from here it's Liverpool. I wouldn't have bet on Leicester being the best of the rest at this stage. Liverpool have a lot of irons in the fire so it'll all come down to Klopp's management. They only have one fit senior central defender too so the depth of the squad will come under scrutiny too. The depth of City's squad hasn't helped them. They lost Laporte earlier in the season and the fact is that John Stones is in fact utterly dreadful and barely looks like a £5M player nevermind a £50M player.

I think I was right the first time. The EPL trophy is heading Anfield way and it was before December started. City getting beat at home to Man U may well be the final nail in their coffin and the biggest boost to Liverpool. 1/7 at the bookies isn't certain, nor could it be with 22 games to go but like you I wouldn't have imagined Leicester to have started so well. But they're a very good team and very well managed, as we can see not just from their skills but from their hunger and motivation. That goal that Maddison whipped in to Iheanacho was fantastic and all over the pitch, they're playing with great desire. Vardy is like a man reborn under Brenda but given the firepower that Liverpool have up front, I simply can't see them dropping enough points for the gap to be closed and I'm certain that Leicester aren't going to win every game. Their bubble almost burst v. Everton and they're going to drop points soon and with them going to Man C before Xmas and hosting Liverpool on Boxing Day, the title will either be slightly more alive or all over by the end of December,
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Ten Caat on December 09, 2019, 04:38:24 PM
Liverpool won't blow it from where they are. Although I do think City will narrow the gap down to around 6 points by season's end. Leicester, as RS says, will likely drop points before New Year and will lose the odd game over the course of the season that the other 2 won't....somewhere unexpected like Bournemouth or Burnley.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 27, 2019, 11:20:00 PM
All over now. Staggering lead for Liverpool with more than half their games to play.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: manc_don on December 28, 2019, 02:59:23 AM
All over now. Staggering lead for Liverpool with more than half their games to play.

Did not expect that result, despite the sending off.  It would take a fuck up of monumental proportions for them to fail.  Shame.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: redordead on January 14, 2020, 10:54:56 PM
Watched Spurs again tonight, they really look to be toiling. So many players just not on their game.  Do you think that levy will let Jose spend in the summer?

He has genuinely managed to make Ericson, Alli, son and sessegnon look like league 2 players in a matter of weeks. Can he turn it around?
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: tlg1903 on January 14, 2020, 11:36:04 PM
The squad has gone stale, there just haven't been enough ins and outs the past few seasons. 
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: BigAl on January 15, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Watched Spurs again tonight, they really look to be toiling. So many players just not on their game.  Do you think that levy will let Jose spend in the summer?

He has genuinely managed to make Ericson, Alli, son and sessegnon look like league 2 players in a matter of weeks. Can he turn it around?

Only saw a bit of the first half on TV. Spurs looked like they were cruising it early doors
Some finish by Lamela for their second goal

On a seperate matter see Everton have announced an annual loss of close to £112 million
Seriously, how do you survive like that  ???
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 15, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
Everton have announced an annual loss of close to £112 million
Seriously, how do you survive like that  ???

To lose over £2m a week would be almost impossible but for two reasons; gross incompetence or financial engineering.

The latter takes many forms including a long term asset control plan, money laundering, tax avoidance, tax evasion and the legitimisation of ill gotten gains (also a longer term plan). Abramovich at Chelsea was the latter. Milne at AFC was the first mentioned. Donald Trump has spent the last 20 years evading tax posting losses in every venture he's been involved in. It doesn't come out of his pocket, nor the select few he greases.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: Donofanewera on January 15, 2020, 07:31:24 PM
Hi Rocket
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: BigAl on January 17, 2020, 07:21:13 PM
WTF  ::)

Manchester United have made a substantial offer to Birmingham City for England youth international Jude Bellingham as the English Premier League club attempts to broaden Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 's midfield options in the winter window.

According to a source at the Championship club, United's offer for Bellingham would guarantee £25million for a midfielder who has been a regular in their starting line-up since becoming Birmingham's younger ever first-team player in August at 16 years and 38 days. Bellingham's performances have attracted scouts from across Europe, with Arsenal also understood to hold a strong interest in securing his signature.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 18, 2020, 08:03:12 PM
So in the "best league in the world"  ;) Liverpool have 2 games in hand to go 19 points clear after just 23 games
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 18, 2020, 11:36:26 PM
So in the "best league in the world"  ;) Liverpool have 2 games in hand to go 19 points clear after just 23 games

I have no idea what this post is trying to say but I know where the poster is coming from.

The world includes many who are full of resentment. The success of others is unpalatable to them as it reinforces how spectacularly unsuccessful and sad their shit lives are. They miss the beauty of the overachievers and they deny facts in their desperation not to face their own personal truths. Tragic really.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 19, 2020, 10:20:27 AM
I have no idea what this post is trying to say but I know where the poster is coming from.

The world includes many who are full of resentment. The success of others is unpalatable to them as it reinforces how spectacularly unsuccessful and sad their shit lives are. They miss the beauty of the overachievers and they deny facts in their desperation not to face their own personal truths. Tragic really.

That explains your constant bitterness towards Stewart Milne perfectly. Thanks for enlightening us all with your nuggets of expertise.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 19, 2020, 10:30:39 AM
That explains your constant bitterness towards Stewart Milne perfectly. Thanks for enlightening us all with your nuggets of expertise.

I'm not "bitter" towards Milne. I detest him for who he is and what he's done. The way he abused his contractors doesn't bother me. Nor how he used inducements to influence public sector workers. I don't even care that he doesn't care about his customers. That's life. But when his actions affected AFC plc, it affected me and that's unacceptable. The key is to understand what the truth was. Fools can't see truth.
Title: Re: EPL
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 19, 2020, 12:21:42 PM
So in the "best league in the world"  ;) Liverpool have 2 games in hand to go 19 points clear after just 23 games

As I've obviously completed misinterpreted your post, perhaps you might explain it?

Liverpool have done something no team in Europe has ever done, in the history of the game.

Eventually, the commentators and even their opposition's managers are describing them as the best team in the world, including the most successful manager in the league (although his success was in the past and came to an abrupt halt after he abused a pretty young Spanish physio, karma following its true and natural path as always).

What's your point?