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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2019, 11:32:32 AM »
A 22yo boy who scored 21 goals in a season, despite not scoring his first until October, and people would seriously be happy for him to leave?
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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2019, 11:34:38 AM »
cant really argue with the goals return, never looks happy though does he ? Still looks very raw some of his control and touches are shocking , then some are great , if he has similar return next season cant really complain ?

Exactly this. Only 20 months older than Bruce Anderson. Is a lot better when the ball is played into his body rather than expecting speculative headed flick-ons to come off. Needs to gain the confidence to not take the ball immediately back the way first, but he also needs actual runners to allow this. I don't think it's Cosgrove that has engineered our direct approach, this has come from having poorer movement from our wide players and midfielders and so he is an easy option. It's definitely not Cosgrove's fault that we haven't been able to find another striker to add to the goals this season. That second goal yesterday shows that having a big striker doesn't preclude you from scoring a great goal with the ball being played on the deck and Cosgrove's part in it was good (his pass to May was perfect in making sure that he wouldn't be able to shoot himself, which was clever play). We need another good striker, but having Cosgrove is a definite bonus.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2019, 03:32:39 PM »
A 22yo boy who scored 21 goals in a season, despite not scoring his first until October, and people would seriously be happy for him to leave?

Yes for the right money. What that money would be is obviously up to McInnes/the board but a £20k punt definitely has a cash in value.

Should we not receive an offer that the club deems acceptable then of course I'm perfectly happy to have him stay until/if we do

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2019, 09:24:43 PM »
Thing is though, DM doesn't exactly have a great track record with replacing strikers.  Yes he's cumbersome, I mean look at his second ish touch for his goal on Sunday.  Fuck me, lucky to get another chance at it, but the most important stats is goals scored.  I don't think we can afford to have a sluggish start like we did this season with our strikers. 

Unless it's silly money and the replacement is guaranteed goals, better the devil you know.  He's still incredibly young.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2019, 09:31:36 PM »
you could argue that Cosgrove hasn't had the best supply.  we have really missed christie and maclean this season, no-one in the middle is able to take the ball with opposition nearby and still move it forward which has led to our build up play being pretty sluggish due to having to rely on always going wide.  I would defo keep him.
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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2019, 09:32:58 PM »
Also argueable that he hasnt had the best service. I think getting some decent wide players will help us greatly.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2019, 10:28:14 PM »
Hypothetical question....

If we were to sell Cosgrove and the money raised were used to buy Lowe......would you take that deal or stick with Cosgrove and try to get another left back for free?

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2019, 12:05:27 AM »
Hypothetical question....

If we were to sell Cosgrove and the money raised were used to buy Lowe......would you take that deal or stick with Cosgrove and try to get another left back for free?

To be honest, I'd probably still stick with Cosgrove. He's the only striker have who scores goals. Would be lunacy to his money from him for a left back.  It's not an either or situation imo.  We would still need both and i'd hope that the club knew this.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2019, 08:16:52 AM »
To be honest, I'd probably still stick with Cosgrove. He's the only striker have who scores goals. Would be lunacy to his money from him for a left back.  It's not an either or situation imo.  We would still need both and i'd hope that the club knew this.

The way I see it is that until we get an investor willing to pump multi millions into the team, we will always be a side that relies on buying cheaply and selling for a profit to keep us financially healthy.

Cosgrove cost £20k. A total punt that in October looked very much like it had failed. Suddenly he caught fire and started banging in the goals, albeit 7 from the penalty spot. But let's face it. An EPL striker he will never be. Probably not even top end of the Championship....at best he might get a gig in the lower reaches of it but even then it would likely be as an impact sub rather than a regular starter. EFL1 clubs should definitely be interested though...and a good number of those pay transfer fees and wages that blow us out the water. Cosgrove's limitations mean his value will never be in the multi-millions (albeit with the length of contract we have him tied down on we can effectively ask what we like right now). A realistic valuation is probably £700k-£1million. If we got offered that it represents roughly 3000-5000% return on our initial investment. A fantastic return.

Lowe at the minute has no such ceiling. But (especially if Derby go up) through no fault of hs own may find himself 4th choice left back as Derby would be forced to buy virtually a whole new first team to try to survive. Even if Derby don't go up...Lowe will still be third choice behind Malone and Forsyth who will be fit by the start of the new season. At his age, the last thing he needs is to be playing reserve team football so Derby will probably try to punt him out on loan again. But if they do go up...well they might just decide that if they got a reasonable offer for him that selling might be the best option for both parties. Again Derby have him on a long term contract so could ask what they like but i doubt they'd be too difficult to bargain with given they've had him as a youngster....he might well be valued pretty much the same as Cosgrove. Only Lowe's potential ceiling is a helluva lot higher than Cosgrove's. Even if he cost a million....if he had a season for us similar to the one he just had I reckon he would instantly become worth 4-5 times that outlay. Again fantastic business.

We are rumoured to be after 2 strikers in this window. Who they will be I have no idea, but I doubt they'll want to play second fiddle to Cosgrove. I just wonder if he club already knows of interest in the big man

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2019, 09:05:34 AM »
The way I see it is that until we get an investor willing to pump multi millions into the team, we will always be a side that relies on buying cheaply and selling for a profit to keep us financially healthy.

Cosgrove cost £20k. A total punt that in October looked very much like it had failed. Suddenly he caught fire and started banging in the goals, albeit 7 from the penalty spot. But let's face it. An EPL striker he will never be. Probably not even top end of the Championship....at best he might get a gig in the lower reaches of it but even then it would likely be as an impact sub rather than a regular starter. EFL1 clubs should definitely be interested though...and a good number of those pay transfer fees and wages that blow us out the water. Cosgrove's limitations mean his value will never be in the multi-millions (albeit with the length of contract we have him tied down on we can effectively ask what we like right now). A realistic valuation is probably £700k-£1million. If we got offered that it represents roughly 3000-5000% return on our initial investment. A fantastic return.

Lowe at the minute has no such ceiling. But (especially if Derby go up) through no fault of hs own may find himself 4th choice left back as Derby would be forced to buy virtually a whole new first team to try to survive. Even if Derby don't go up...Lowe will still be third choice behind Malone and Forsyth who will be fit by the start of the new season. At his age, the last thing he needs is to be playing reserve team football so Derby will probably try to punt him out on loan again. But if they do go up...well they might just decide that if they got a reasonable offer for him that selling might be the best option for both parties. Again Derby have him on a long term contract so could ask what they like but i doubt they'd be too difficult to bargain with given they've had him as a youngster....he might well be valued pretty much the same as Cosgrove. Only Lowe's potential ceiling is a helluva lot higher than Cosgrove's. Even if he cost a million....if he had a season for us similar to the one he just had I reckon he would instantly become worth 4-5 times that outlay. Again fantastic business.

We are rumoured to be after 2 strikers in this window. Who they will be I have no idea, but I doubt they'll want to play second fiddle to Cosgrove. I just wonder if he club already knows of interest in the big man

I think you misjudge Lowe's value. Derby could easily get a couple of mil for him from another team down south due to his age and time left on his contract. I don't think it's realistic to expect someone to buy Cosgrove from us - especially since you consider him and EFL1 level striker - at a price which would allow us to buy Lowe, who you think has the potential to be a £4m or £5m player. I don't follow your logic at all.

In answer to your hypothetical question, no I wouldn't sell Cosgrove to fund Lowe.
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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2019, 09:16:48 AM »
Only Lowe's potential ceiling is a helluva lot higher than Cosgrove's. Even if he cost a million....if he had a season for us similar to the one he just had I reckon he would instantly become worth 4-5 times that outlay. Again fantastic business.

Very hypothetical obviously but I don't think a club like Aberdeen will ever manage to sell on a left back for four or five million.  With players like that the best way for a club like ours to make money is resale clauses like might happen with Ryan Fraser.

In McKenna's case I can see us getting maybe £5M for him tops but then within another couple of years someone will buy him for silly money and we will cash in with the sell on.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2019, 09:31:11 AM »
Ten Caat, why is it that you think Cosgrove has such a low ceiling. He has all the physical attributes and even a bit of pace. I know his touch could be better at times but its an area he could easily get better at. I would say hes like a better version of Josh Magennis, and look how well hes done.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2019, 10:08:28 AM »
Ten Caat, why is it that you think Cosgrove has such a low ceiling. He has all the physical attributes and even a bit of pace. I know his touch could be better at times but its an area he could easily get better at. I would say hes like a better version of Josh Magennis, and look how well hes done.

He's a better footballer than Josh Magennis. His touch is generally pretty decent but his concentration is poor, which is why he looks to have a bad touch. He's clearly very capable of bringing a ball down quickly and with great effect but he's often remonstrating with himself and the ref (much like Magennis did). He doesn't have the pace and direct battering ram approach of Magennis however and I doubt he ever will. That lack of athleticism restricts the level he could play at, but not to a ridiculous degree. Improve his concentration and temperament (I don't mean fouling, I mean focus) and he'll be a much better player.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2019, 03:13:38 PM »
Very hypothetical obviously but I don't think a club like Aberdeen will ever manage to sell on a left back for four or five million.  With players like that the best way for a club like ours to make money is resale clauses like might happen with Ryan Fraser.

In McKenna's case I can see us getting maybe £5M for him tops but then within another couple of years someone will buy him for silly money and we will cash in with the sell on.


Celtic are rumoured to be selling Tierney in the summer for £25million. And I don't think he is all that much better than Lowe...

My question was hypothetical in that I don't believe it will happen. However if Celtic are needing a left back???? There have already been rumours of sevco interest. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Celtic go for him as Tierney's replacement.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2019, 04:21:33 PM »

Celtic are rumoured to be selling Tierney in the summer for £25million. And I don't think he is all that much better than Lowe...

My question was hypothetical in that I don't believe it will happen. However if Celtic are needing a left back???? There have already been rumours of sevco interest. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Celtic go for him as Tierney's replacement.

You are absolutely right, I do not believe Tierney is much better either and also would not be surprised if they were interested in Lowe as a replacement.  It's just the move from Aberdeen (in theory) to another club that I don't believe would ever happen for more than a couple of million at most.  Celtic will be quite willing to shell out £4M-£5M for a player from Derby but we would never get that for a similar standard player.  You just have to look at how much we brought in for Johnny Hayes who had just been nominated for player of the year.  Teams just do not pay big money for players in Scotland outwith the Glasgow clubs unless the players are particularly exceptional.

McKenna will possibly be the exception and the fact that he has captained his country at such a young age may help that.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2019, 10:31:42 AM »
Expect much unsettling of Big Sam by the Weegie media linking him with moves away from Aberdeen prior to the closure of the transfer window.

Six goals in four European games, I guess is going to lead to speculation and they will just love throwing it our way.

Took a look at a Carlisle forum to see what they were saying about him and they seem to be under the impression that they have a large sell on clause and that his departure back south could be worth a not inconsiderable sum to them.

As an aside our scouting/recruitment of last few seasons has come in for a fair bit of criticism, but this is one that certainly seems to working.

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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2019, 11:23:01 AM »
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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2019, 05:39:14 PM »
With 2 more goals today wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of interest in Sam this week before the English window closes. That's 8 already in 5 games, 30 goal season ahead?

I'll also add, and I haven't been a huge fan of Sam, penalties are not a guaranteed goal. We lucked out with Rooney being excellent from the spot, so far big Sam has done the business there too. Credit due.
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Re: Sam Cosgrove
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Re: Sam Cosgrove
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2019, 01:37:54 PM »
Allegedly there are reports in Italy that Lazio are considering making a move for Sam

Make of that what you will  ;)
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