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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1200 on: December 24, 2019, 09:07:44 AM »
I got your comment. Just having seen him the last 3 games and the way his team responds, why not? National team is as close to a joke as we’ve been in a while, you never know. Honesty, hard graft and passion, wouldn’t do any harm.

He made clear in his playing days that he wasn't interested in our national team. I don't think he's manager material at all. At any level. There's just something very odd about him that I can't quite put my finger on.

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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1201 on: December 24, 2019, 10:04:39 AM »
There's just something very odd about him that I can't quite put my finger on.

There is but trying to put a finger on it would be an instructive exercise.

His pigeon-fancying, normally the preserve of old mannies, was unusual. As was that marvellous gesture with the handicapped at the weekend, spreading joy on a gargantuan scale. His hug with the ballboy was another we don't normally see. The man obviously has a heart of gold, the yin to his headbutting yang, as I reckon he could be a dark force if you crossed him. Not the brightest but street smart, a complex character.

Yes very odd indeed. To understand him would need to know his background. I like him though and always have done. Interesting and raw passion are always to be found on the positive side of the spectrum.
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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1202 on: December 24, 2019, 10:33:06 AM »
He made clear in his playing days that he wasn't interested in our national team. I don't think he's manager material at all. At any level. There's just something very odd about him that I can't quite put my finger on.

Agree re the Scotland job....he wasn't interested in playing for us so shouldn't be the manager ever. However at a club level? I think he might be a worthwhile punt. Yogi Hughes comes across as being barely literate but has made a decent fist of managing in Scotland. Same applies to the likes of John Robertson and Paul Hartley.

Ferguson has all his coaching badges. He certainly got something out of an Everton team that was looking like relegation material against sides that their previous manager would certainly have gotten nothing from. He could well be worth taking a punt on as manager....up here the caravan dwellers would be an obvious destination should Neilson find himself a better job (or get punted  a season or 2 down the line having found life in the top division a tad more difficult than it is in the Championship). But then again there's no doubting Ferguson's affinity for Everton and maybe he is happy to live his life as a coach on Merseyside with a club that he's probably got a job for life at if he chooses to stay as just a coach.

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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1203 on: December 24, 2019, 10:36:12 AM »
Three games in and I predict success.

Five games later and I'm not so sure. There was a definite new manager bounce effect for Mourinho but there's a reason why Poch got binned. Maybe this squad is gutless and not that brilliant at football, the making of the CL final being an overachievement way beyond their usual capabilities.

I've always considered Kane and Delle Ali to be overrated. Not that anyone could ever be as good as the jingoistic English press hoped they could be in their desperation to win the World Cup one day, hopefully not in my lifetime but Delle Ali was awesome in his first few games. Playing Moura all the time is strange. Yes he was lucky and was a big part of them getting to the CL final but there will have been reasons why Poch used him sparingly and he's really been conspicuous by his lack of contribution under Jose, or at least lack of consistent contributions as he's been absent for most of the time he's been on the pitch. Christian Eriksson has yet to start and whilst there's no denying his great talent, fuck knows what his agent is saying and what he's doing in training is obviously not impressing his new boss.

Defensively they are still conceding too much but the Chelsea game was revealing. Spurs were sluggish from the off and Lampard's men were very sharp and hungry. Mourinho has a massive challenge ahead of him. There were sparks and suggestions that the special one was back. The squad is worse than we thought so he will need to buy cleverly in January. If Levi doesn't give him that luxury, it can't possibly work. There's a cancerous curse over this lot.
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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1204 on: December 24, 2019, 01:32:49 PM »
I also saw that Spurs were sticking rigidly to two banks of four v. Chelsea, the same 4-4-2 formula that Mourinho, and Rafa, swear by and which has given them both major success. I would've imagined that Jose approached this job with caution. He said he was determined "not to make the same mistakes" and he may have said to them to go out, express yourselves and play with freedom in his first couple of games, being careful not to impose his massive ego. But leopards don't change their stripes and he couldn't help but revert to the formula which he's tried and tested many times before. If that's the sequence of events, the effect it's had on a not-worldbeating squad hasn't worked, or at least it led to a shockingly poor performance on Sunday, after getting very lucky v. Wolves.

How boring and uninspiring might it be for the attacking-minded footballers - and their fans erroneously think they're better than they are and should play "the Spurs way" - if the whole tactical focus is on rigid defensive formations? It will all come out in the wash but surprisingly abject performances recently should be a worry for them. Not that I give a fuck. Never liked Spurs but it's been very interesting on Mourinho-watch this first month. 3-0 v. Brighton on Boxing Day would be getting back on track but I wouldn't be putting money on them any time soon, especially after they cost me badly a couple of days ago. Fucking cunts.
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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1205 on: December 28, 2019, 11:26:31 PM »
Pellegrini sacked by West Ham tonight.

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« Reply #1206 on: December 28, 2019, 11:44:34 PM »
Not a huge surprise
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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1207 on: December 29, 2019, 04:22:45 AM »
shame, but not a surprise. Writings been on the wall for a while

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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1208 on: December 29, 2019, 10:46:00 AM »
Pellegrini, and Ancelotti's predecessor at Everton, had the unfortunate disposition of looking stressed under pressure. They weren't fit for purpose because they looked, and were, stressed under pressure. We only find out how effective people are when the going gets tough. This is when we find out how confident they are in their own abilities. Both had been given long enough to do their jobs without excuses. Both were binned later than they should have and it's questionable whether either should have been employed at all. That Villa manager could be next. He's a fucking idiot. I like Farke and Norwich have been unlucky this season but Watford and Brighton are great examples how good management can turn things around with the existing players. I just don't think Norwich have a strong enough squad. I'm also starting to wonder if Jose can do anything with Spurs. At least he dropped Moura yesterday and gave Eriksson his first EPL start but there's something missing there. Hope Southampton can thrive. Like their manager. Steve Bruce is a poor specimen. I can't see him lasting too long at Newcastle. Would be surprised if Arteta makes a success of Arsenal. Love the Sheffield Utd. and Wolves managers.

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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1209 on: January 22, 2020, 11:52:19 PM »
Utd lose 2-0 at home to Burnley.  Surely jotters for ole soon.
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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1210 on: January 23, 2020, 12:09:42 AM »
Utd lose 2-0 at home to Burnley.  Surely jotters for ole soon.

OGS has no experience and zero management ability, a rigidly boring uninspiring Norwegian. He got lucky that the players hated Mourinho so much that they decided to perform immediately after he got binned. That he employs Carrick as his right hand man is unsurprising, himself a boring bastard of even less dynamic and inspirational characteristics.

There's a curse over that club. Until Old Whisky Nose fucks off, it won't change.
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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1211 on: February 16, 2020, 11:51:13 AM »
Not in England the noo but a regular in this thread, an English manager in Holland is being found out already.

I can't understand what the people at Den Haag were thinking giving Pardew the gig. Relegation definites now I'd wager.
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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1212 on: February 16, 2020, 07:05:54 PM »
Not in England the noo but a regular in this thread, an English manager in Holland is being found out already.

I can't understand what the people at Den Haag were thinking giving Pardew the gig. Relegation definites now I'd wager.

Pissed me off that they went for him. Absolute charlatan.  Ado deserve better than that, but he's certainly not going to solve their problems.

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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1213 on: February 21, 2020, 10:39:00 AM »
The squad is worse than we thought so he will need to buy cleverly in January. If Levi doesn't give him that luxury, it can't possibly work. There's a cancerous curse over this lot.

What was obvious before came to a head this week. When the manager laments Lamela and admits that he's playing injured players because he has no option, this is a terrible indictment of the club's management. In his interview Jose revealed that Lamela had zero training sessions and came from injury to the last 20 minutes of a Champions League game. He cleverly praises his players for their efforts but he's also letting everyone know that they have no chance with a squad this thin and with Kane and Son out, they're totally fucked. Levi didn't release any funds last month.

Another fascinating aspect was Delle Ali. He was subbed off because he was shite and whilst his reaction to getting pulled off revealed his deep frustration, Mourinho's interpretation of the reaction might not reveal the whole picture. There's a curse over that club and it's just as healthy today as it's been for years.
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Re: Managers in England
« Reply #1214 on: February 23, 2020, 10:46:02 AM »
Very good analysis from Martin Keown last night. He said that Spurs were gutless yesterday mostly down to the manager and Jose's continuous moaning about them not being good enough and deep enough in squad. Great point. The manager looking after himself and his massive ego primarily is unsurprising but it's a dangerous game he's playing, the veiled pointing of the finger at Levi. I think he's right in that the chairman/owner is holding the club back by not providing a transfer kitty but where injuries have killed this season, he obviously has big debts to service over the new stadium and may correctly assume that the squad could have competed this season, having got to the CL final in May.

Jose has been given a big chance at Spurs and it's going tits up. He should've worked with what he's got and whilst we all know what he's got isn't good enough, we don't need him telling everybody the obvious. It's a surefire way to lose the dressing room and get the sack.
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