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6 Nations 2012

Bloody hell, what is going on, some folk on the radio claiming we are favourites for tomorrow and ones to look out for in the Championship as a whole  :o :o

So 4 defeats and sneaky win against Ireland or Italy it is then.

 

Anyway to whet the appetite the bbc's selection of the six best Calcutta Cup matches:

 

1980 - Scotland 18-30 England - This was a victory for England's formidable pack, led by captain Billy Beaumont, but also their three-quarters, with future knight of the realm Clive Woodward enjoying one of his finest hours as a player. He created the first two tries for John Carleton and Mike Slemen with his elusive running before Carleton crossed for his second after a powerful England scrum.

 

Scotland, down 23-6 early in the second half after Steve Smith scored England's fourth try, made a good fist of a comeback, running the ball from everywhere and scoring tries via lock Alan Tomes and an individual gem from fly-half John Rutherford.

 

But Carleton completed his hat-trick as England secured their first outright championship since 1963 and a first Grand Slam since 1957 in a match one report suggested was "played in a spirit almost of chivalry". Beaumont was carried off shoulder high at the end.

 

1983 - England 12-22 Scotland - This remains Scotland's last win at Twickenham, a barren run that will stretch to 30 years by the time they venture to south-west London next year. Both countries went into the game without a win but it was Scotland who got the upper hand on this occasion. England went on to lose their final game in Ireland to finish with the Wooden Spoon.

 

The Scots were aggrieved when New Zealand referee Tom Doocey failed to award them a penalty try after centre Keith Robertson broke through and England scrum-half Steve Smith tackled Jim Renwick without the ball. Doocey awarded a penalty, which Peter Dods kicked, but Scotland did score "one of the great Calcutta Cup tries", according to the late, great Bill McLaren's commentary, through scrum-half Roy Laidlaw.

 

England dominated the tight exchanges but Scotland were sharper in attack, with Robertson, who landed a drop-goal near the end, particularly prominent alongside the recalled Rutherford. The final blow was delivered by lock Tom Smith, who out-jumped England's Steve Bainbridge at a line-out to dot down for a debut try, sparking wild celebrations among the Scottish players and supporters.

 

1990 - Scotland 13-7 England - One of the great moments in the Championship's history. Both countries going for the Grand Slam, the political backdrop of the hated Poll Tax being tried out on Scotland, the perceived hatred towards emblematic England captain Will Carling, who had his head transposed onto the body of King Edward II, in the Scottish tabloid press in the build-up.

Scotland adopted "Flower of Scotland" as their pre-match anthem that year and this was only the second time if had been officially used. McLaren said he had "never heard such an emotional rendering", moments after Scotland captain David Sole had led his team onto the pitch with a long, slow walk, stirring Murrayfield into a patriotic frenzy.

 

Two years ago, on the 20th anniversary, Sole denied the political backdrop had anything to do with the match itself. "It was simply a game of rugby - the only difference was that there was a Grand Slam at stake," he said. Jeremy Guscott scored a cracking try for England after Carling's break, but the only one people remember is Tony Stanger's. As McLaren described it: "Pick up by Jeffrey...Jeffrey to Armstrong...Armstrong nicely out to Gavin Hastings...Gavin Hastings goes for the kick through...on goes Stanger...Stanger could be there first...it's a try!...a magnificent try for the 21-year-old!"

 

1999 - England 24-21 Scotland. Until last year, when Scotland made life seriously tough for England but still came off second best, this was the closest the visitors had come to ending their miserable run at Twickenham since a 12-12 draw in 1989.

 

Initially, it appeared the pattern of the preceding years would continue when England went 14 points up inside the first 10 minutes thanks to tries from Nick Beal and Dan Luger. But the Scots, who had beaten Wales at home in their opening game, hit back to play some sublime rugby, with Alan Tait scoring two tries and Gregor Townsend one. Kenny Logan converted all three but ultimately his three missed penalties proved the difference, with England hanging on grimly at the death.

 

Last year, Logan admitted he is still haunted by the memory of costing Scotland a Grand Slam, even though he did not know it at the time. But at least Scotland had the consolation of going on to win the last ever Five Nations title in dramatic style, a stunning 36-22 victory in Paris on the final weekend, tasting all the sweeter after England lost their Grand Slam decider with Wales at Wembley.

 

2000 - Scotland 19-13 England - England going for the Grand Slam, Scotland seeking to avoid a whitewash after losing their first four games in the first year of the Six Nations. It was set up for a mugging - and so it proved as England inadvisedly tried to play rugby in the wet conditions, while Scotland summoned reserves of strength and defensive resolve to repel the favourites.

 

A ferocious opening quarter saw scuffles breaking out at every turn as the fired-up Scottish forwards - with 7ft giant Richard Metcalfe and flanker Jason White making their debuts - waded into their opposite numbers. A Duncan Hodge penalty opened the scoring, only for England to take a 10-3 lead courtesy of Lawrence Dallaglio's converted try and a Jonny Wilkinson penalty.

 

But Hodge's kicking first kept the Scots in touch and then put them into the lead, before the fly-half delivered the decisive blow, diving over the puddles from close range for the game-clinching try. Scotland captain Andy Nicol, now part of the BBC's match-day team, enjoyed his finest hour. "People were incredulous," he recalled. "The euphoria and sense of satisfaction at the end was incredible."

 

2007 - England 42-20 Scotland - What a comeback. After a catalogue of injuries had kept him out of the Test scene for three years following his World Cup-winning drop-goal in 2003, Jonny Wilkinson's return to England duty was remarkable.

 

The celebrated fly-half was back in the old routine with three first-half penalties and a drop-goal, capping his comeback with a dramatic try on the hour. He appeared to have a foot in touch as he touched down one-handed in the right corner after a searing break from scrum-half Harry Ellis, but the television match official was in benevolent mood. Wilkinson then stroked over the conversion from the touchline and finished with a record 27 points for a Calcutta Cup match.

 

Jason Robinson also marked his comeback from premature retirement with two tries, but the standing ovation when Wilkinson was replaced seven minutes from time showed Twickenham still in thrall to their legendary number 10.

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Andy Robinson has resigned as Scotland manager.

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About fucking time

Sean Lineen given time would be a good appointment.

 

 

We're never going to be competitive again though. 2 professional teams with no grassroots is a joke. we're now seeing the long-term effects of that restructuring. Bizarrely the Welsh are thinking about going the same way.

 

 

It's a shite sport now anyway. it's not rugby it's just kicking practice for toffs.

I was just saying the same thing to a colleague of mine who is going to the England - All Blacks game next weekend Mav.  Although Ireland looked to have swept aside a decent Argie side on sat.  They seemed pretty comfortable throughout.

 

 

I'm surprised the Welsh are thinking about doing the same form of restructuring though, there was a big piece on 5live this morning about the lack of pro teams in Scotland.  How anyone thought that was a good idea is beyond me.

Depresses the shit outta me tbh. It's like OF mentality in the extreme (without the religious hatred and brain damage).

Due to the fact that my uncle had tickets that he wasn't going to use and my mither was quite keen on going, we ended up going to the Tonga game. Now, I have been to rugby before when Scotland played Italy a few years back. Played quite well, even scored a few tries! I was bored to tears at that so I didn't hold out much hope for this game and it didn't fail to deliver. Holy fucking hell, I was bored. Bored to absolute tears. It is one of the few sports thats actually better to watch on TV IMO. No atmosphere, no singing and nothing happening on the pitch. We left at 16:15 as it was more of an endurance rather than anything else. I ken it was a shite game anyway but I think that's it for me and live rugby.

Actually quite glad Robinson has left. The current Scotland squad doesnt deserve a coach as experienced as Robinson. I thought the guys played admirably vs the All Blacks (except for that crazy 20 minute spell in the first half), and they managed to adapt to South Africa's smash'n'grab style very well.

 

 

But the manner of the Tonga defeat was just despicable, those guys dont deserve to wear the Scotland jersey. There's surely got to be better options than the powder-puff Laidlaw. FIVE years since centre Sean Lamont has scored! Five years!!! That's ridiculous for a centre!

 

 

Scottish Rugby needs a big clearout and restart from the beginning again. I saw attempts a few years to create a professional team in Aberdeen, with Sir Ian Wood being one of the major investors. There were even rumours going around that All Black Jerome Kaino was being lined up as the Aberdeen franchise's first major signing. Dunno what happened to this, but it's pretty obvious that Scotland needs more than two professional clubs.

Actually quite glad Robinson has left. The current Scotland squad doesnt deserve a coach as experienced as Robinson. I thought the guys played admirably vs the All Blacks (except for that crazy 20 minute spell in the first half), and they managed to adapt to South Africa's smash'n'grab style very well.

 

 

But the manner of the Tonga defeat was just despicable, those guys dont deserve to wear the Scotland jersey. There's surely got to be better options than the powder-puff Laidlaw. FIVE years since centre Sean Lamont has scored! Five years!!! That's ridiculous for a centre!

 

 

Scottish Rugby needs a big clearout and restart from the beginning again. I saw attempts a few years to create a professional team in Aberdeen, with Sir Ian Wood being one of the major investors. There were even rumours going around that All Black Jerome Kaino was being lined up as the Aberdeen franchise's first major signing. Dunno what happened to this, but it's pretty obvious that Scotland needs more than two professional clubs.

 

the glasgow and edinburgh players are centally contracted to the sru, so they couldn't afford a third team. and they'd never allow an external franchise to come about because any profits made wouldn't go to the sru, and any success would show the sru to be utterly incompetent - which they are. aside from that, the independent franchise wouldn't be admitted to play in any of the professional leagues because the sru would threaten to quit.

 

the reason they went with this clusterfuck of a situation was the formation of the heineken cup making the sru think scots teams couldn't compete against the french/ english. other than a very rare occasion they very probably couldn't, but they'd still have a meaningful existence and a domestic product, with families and communities and grassroots development as a part of the fabric of the clubs. the franchises offer nothing, and after more than a decade, they still can't compete in europe - can't even win the celtic/italian league.

 

there is no alternative to the current scotland squad because since this system was put in place we've produced no talent bar maybe 2 or 3 players. even before, the clubs' young players were always overlooked by international scouts because it was easier to take the players their friends at the private schools sent them, but there was at least an alternative route to the top. now there's not so we're reaping what the sru have sown.

 

andy robinson did a far better job than i expected him to to be fair to him. but with scotland there's a massive handicap against progress. sean lineen might get us punching above our weight for a bit.

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You think we'll score 9?  ;)

i'll be astonished if we don't get humped 5 times.

 

the 6 nations needs relegation to wake those fatcat cunts in the sru up a bit.

No chance Mav, if it hasn't happened by now the SRU must be considered to be in a PVS.

You think we'll score 9?  ;)

 

 

You ken me, I'm the ultimate optimist.

I do find the adverts for this sham of a tournament quite amusing

 

terms such as 'fierce rivalry' should be enough to have the trades description act enforcers sniffing around.

 

and i did find this amusing

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgb24T1MVZU

 

I was pleasantly surprised by Scotland yesterday, it was nowhere near as bad as I feared it would be.  Some good play and nice to see the line outs being won again.  A lot of work to do, but there were a lot of positives to take from the performance yesterday.  I think that England side will struggle if Ireland played the way they did in the first half. 

 

As a side note, Ashton is still a cunt.  I wish someone would break him, if only to get him off the tv screen.

 

Great match yesterday, brilliant try by Hogg. Nice to see Scotland these days scoring tries, and to see us technically second in the table.

Scotland were good but italy were awful. that ireland performance yesterday was a total joke too. england could win the grand slam without actually playing well against anyone at this rate. ballbags.

Was quite impressed with Scotland's performance on sat, easily the most entertaining game of the weekend.  We look good going forward, still plenty of mistakes but it's all very encouraging.

 

 

It disgusts me that England could seal this at a canter.  The press down here are going to be unbearable.

Was at Murrayfield and it was a great game, Hoggs try was fantastic with the interception to stop the Italians scoring then running the length of the park. Atmosphere was actually better than normal but it is still a waste for rugby fans - would be amazing to watch the football team play there. Also it is great to be allowed to have a couple of drinks during the game and for stewards to treat you with respect and be friendly.

Was quite impressed with Scotland's performance on sat, easily the most entertaining game of the weekend.  We look good going forward, still plenty of mistakes but it's all very encouraging.

 

 

It disgusts me that England could seal this at a canter.  The press down here are going to be unbearable.

 

I'm surprised you say that manc, thought we drastically cut down on the mistakes on Saturday.

 

Thought we looked a bit sloppy on the line outs, compared with last week when we absolutely bossed them, but i am nit picking.  I didn't want to commit to saying they looked very good ;)  There is clear progress and it was a great watch!

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I'm off to Murrayfield today for my first ever 6 nations match  :thumbsup:

I'm off to Murrayfield today for my first ever 6 nations match  :thumbsup:

 

I will be there today with work. Not paying for tickets so happy to go. Doubt I would pay to watch Rugby. Free beer as well.

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